How Do You Teach Technique for OC 1 ?
Awesome idea! Here's what I have now - not in the format you requested though, just me warming up before a run on a very flat day.
#1 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 1:36pm
Ecky, it will be necessary to differentiate style from technique.
Like Tommy said about paddling with no knee cartilage in the other thread, that will effect visually what you see and become their style as they have had to adapt their technique around that. Someone with a bad lower back will have minimal twist etc. but possibly still make the canoe go fast.
Cheers Ramboscie
#2 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 1:44pm
Cool, we'll do!
I paddle out of Long Beach, California, USA. We are in the middle of some foul weather (at least for So Cal). When I get out on the water again - likely the following weekend, I'll try and get some footage to post.
#4 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 1:44pm
Firstly have the poster identify any existing medical conditions that may be effecting the stroke.
Flexibility is poor with most men, they can't touch their toes.
Cameras don't lie, but extreme wide angles (170) like Scotty's GoPro distort things out of proportion.
Ramboscie
#6 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 1:56pm
I wonder how many people are game to post their video for dissemination?? . egos may be hurt......hahaha
R
#7 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 1:59pm
At the expense of getting our butts kicked from Tommy again for over analysing things, we should include or exclude everything ...hahaa
Maybe the "Judge" could set the criteria, or maybe just .... judge on what they see rather than grade a certain movement?
Rambo
#9 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:12pm
it would also be good if the guys had a gps so people could see what the speeds are in correlation to how nice the technique looks.
#11 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:15pm
Most women develop good technique naturally, but we blokes are so blinded by beauty we can't focus on the technique.
R
#13 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:22pm
I cool with the wide angle distorting things a bit just as long as it makes me look better. ;)
#15 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 5:10pm
About them videos, the way I see it, everything appears to be one-sided in that all attention is concentrated with what's happening above the water, and not with what's happening beneath it. Shouldn't we be more interested in what's taking place with the blade and water beneath the surface? As an avid open ocean swimmer, I use to pay lots of money to have my swim stroke video analyzed. My stroke was never analyzed above the surface of the water. It was always analyzed beneath it or underwater.
#16 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 8:22pm
underwater video? since a swimmers entire arm is underwater during the stroke, it is a must. i think for the most part, because a paddle is only partialy underwater and is still connected to the shaft above water, we can reasonably assume what the blade is doing in the water.
#18 Fri, 02/13/2009 - 9:36pm
I vote for Jackson Monahans dad's post, but at the end of the day, Tommy-boys, "if you really want to improve, keep it simple and don't try to re-invent the wheel" is the bomb. The "determination" he also speaks of is prophetic. I could be prophetic, but Kalani's curriculum was not as advanced as Roosevelts. Oh well, we had hotter babes.
#19 Sat, 02/14/2009 - 6:07pm
I am not qualified to say what "it" is. Kai Bartlett can comment on technique, Brent Bixler on design, Aaron Napolean on nutrition and Marshall Rosa on race strategies. Unfortunately they don't subscribe to this site. We're all screwed.
#21 Sat, 02/14/2009 - 9:41pm
That's true KGB, but we have our very own "Einstein" in Ecky ..... Poo Poo and Jc keep an eye on illegal advertising and people asking dumb questions ....... Jim is poised to chuck a wobbly when popular culture is breached and Fuzey is ready to pounce on any sales opportunity.
Everyone has a job to do. .....hahaha
Rambo
#22 Sat, 02/14/2009 - 10:08pm
Eckhart: I was hoping Rambo or Hanshead would show us how to rig up cameras underwater on their canoes. Perhaps a plastic window in the hull to view blade action? Or pvc pole attached to ama underwater?
S: You're absolutely right, but I'm always amazed at how a paddler with picture perfect classic form above water just can't keep up with the paddler with sloppy technique. Somehow, someone is doing it right underwater where it counts?
#23 Sat, 02/14/2009 - 11:13pm
I agree, knowledge is worthless unless it is shared. Point I was trying to make is basically this.... trial and error is way better then reading some book, etc. at least when it comes to paddleing. So put in the time, observe those around you and draw your own conclusions. All of the aforementioned will tell you this. Ironically, I spent a bit of quality time yesterday with Aaron at Heeia prior to the race. His Dad and Mom drove me to my first Makaha Surfing Championships a bajillion years ago. Anyway, among other things, we discussed the virtues of eating Spam. I am telling you this because here is a world class waterman, who is not at all obsessed with his nutrition and will school us in OC1, SUP, Paddleboard, Ironing board racing, you name it. Courtney Seto and a shocked Paula Crabb are my witnesses. Like Tommy-boy said, keep it simple, don't try to re-invent the wheel.
#25 Sun, 02/15/2009 - 4:49pm
Ecky, it could just be an issue of not wanting to commit the time and or open ones self up to personal attack as happens here sometimes. That is understandable.
Rambo
#27 Sun, 02/15/2009 - 6:06pm
Trial and error mutiplied by repetition equals knowledge.
Equation: T & E x R = K
#31 Sun, 02/15/2009 - 7:53pm
I think you have to have errors in 1 manning in order to really learn. Some things cannot be learned simply because someone tells you so. I mean you can know it but some things you just have to learn by doing them the wrong way. How about replacing error with experience. Either way, same thing. T & E x R is still gonna equal K. Cant learn 1 man from videos, blog sites, or books. There is a lot to be gained from them but wont make you a better paddler IMO.
#33 Sun, 02/15/2009 - 9:00pm
How do you teach technique for OC 1 ?
Let us collect web videos and have the experts give their input/correction and drills ?
Format could be :
Contact me if you are interested to participate.
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