What is the next step for 6-man canoe design?
AOCRA australia has already opened up to other designs ,eg ROC (tahitian style) and Souther Spirit(Computer aided Sailing inspired) as well as Hawaiian designs, and in three years the minimum hull weight drops from 155kg (341lbs) to 130kg (286lbs). These boats are/ will be used in any competition (only 1 association here)
#1 Mon, 05/24/2010 - 2:46pm
Latman,
When a club or an organization sponsors and organizes an event, are they required to recognize and award all divisions, both age and hull design?
Or can they choose what divisions will be in their race because they are the sponsors/organizers?
#2 Mon, 05/24/2010 - 3:10pm
Generally the organizing club will have to hold a "race" for every Division that can muster 3 entries and award medals/trophies to all top 3 crews, so with male/female, open/master/senior master/golden master this can add up to LOTS of medals. There are no "different" boats at least! (ignoring juniors)
#3 Mon, 05/24/2010 - 4:10pm
Actually the host club or organizations can choose whatever Divisions they care too. There are standard divisions, but not all groups abide by the 3 or more for a division.
It should be up to the host club or organization.
#5 Tue, 05/25/2010 - 7:45am
gauchopaddler...from my understanding ROC canoe builders are based in Rarotonga and for some reason have ceased production. They did have a website www.roc.co.ck .
Try http://www.mauikanu.co.nz/ ...they build most types of Waka/Va'a - including a 3 man canoe.
#7 Tue, 05/25/2010 - 10:39am
The ROC's are being built in Aus by Harvie Allison of Tiger Aust. The ROC was actually designed by the same Tahitian that designed Livesstrong V6. - Phillipe Bernardino from canoe club in tahiti called TEVA.
The original ROC was modified, gunnels raised 4inches, seats 1 and 2 repositioned (rearwards) and a few minor changes. Contact Harv at [email protected]
Cheers Rambo
#8 Tue, 05/25/2010 - 11:37am
In Australia, the Southern Spirit OC6 has been around for over a decade. It's a Tahitian-inspired design & is very popular. Also, there will be Tahitian-made Va'a Factory V6's coming in before the end of the year. We now or will soon have 6 different designs to choose from - Mirage, Bradley Lightning, Southern Spirit, Tiger ROC, Mahi Mahi (from NZ) & Va'a Factory. All lightweight 130kg (286lbs). Good times Downunder!!!
#9 Tue, 05/25/2010 - 3:26pm
From Rambo
The ROC’s are being built in Aus by Harvie Allison of Tiger Aust. The ROC was actually designed by the same Tahitian that designed Livesstrong V6. - Phillipe Bernardino from canoe club in tahiti called TEVA.
The original ROC was modified, gunnels raised 4inches, seats 1 and 2 repositioned (rearwards) and a few minor changes. Contact Harv at [email protected]
Cheers Rambo Wed, 05/26/2010 - 7:37am
The ROC is actually built by Scott Wheeler and others at Currumbin and sold by Harvey Allison (well known photographer) who has many contacts in Cook islands and rarotonga. Scott did a number of modifications to the "plug" he recieved (including fairing) and is building them using a Fibreglass/Foam core construction.
#10 Tue, 05/25/2010 - 5:17pm
Hello Gauchopaddler ,please say g'day mate to Billy Whitford for me .thanks Lats
#11 Tue, 05/25/2010 - 5:22pm
hey Hasto , what about the Bladerunner in Sydney and Sabre up north ,of course you may still be able to Buy a force 5 from Peter Corbishly or his newer Comet ??? there's 4 more options
#12 Tue, 05/25/2010 - 5:28pm
Yes Lats you're right. The canoes you mentioned are classic open deck design (afraid I know nothing of the Sabre so only guessing there - correct me if I'm wrong). 10 different canoes to choose from! When you look at it, we're spoilt for choice. Canoes for all conditions!
#13 Tue, 05/25/2010 - 6:00pm
Bill Murray up North bought the Anderson moulds ,he sells the newer OC6, not sure what happenned to the infamous "pacific islander", I heard whispers of early Bradley and Dennis Campbell ha ha
#14 Tue, 05/25/2010 - 6:16pm
The ROC was imported by Mark Forbse for his personal pleasure after paddling them in Raro... I took the original hull, modified the front end & put on a deck as well as tweaking the seating & designing a new ama kiatos etc.. the canoes come with luxury items like hot wire cut seat covers & non slip buffed rubber floor mats, individual cover per cockpit as well (2 mins to fit) the construction is 6mm foam core & full resin infused, they come out the mould at round 115kg & have to be weighted up to 155kg until the lightweight class is introduced fully in a couple of years (bloody frustrating), the price is the same as the cheapest 155kg canoes, we can do this as my builder Scott Wheeler also builds my Tiger Canoe products and DKG surfboats for me so we get good prices on foam etc as the volumes are considerable ... The Southern Spirit was commissioned by myself & designed to my specs by Ian murray, ledgendary olympic sailor .. it isn't Tahitian design as it still had to come up to the original AOCRA/HCRA specs, it wasn't well accepted at first but now has a good reputation with many clubs .. The ROC is really a progression of what was achieved there but without the design restrictions so it surfs way better & is also quicker uphill where the Southern Spirit excels .. Harv
#15 Tue, 05/25/2010 - 6:22pm
Hey Goucho, you can definately call him Lats .. that in fact is his real nickname ! ... we haven't got anything on the ROC on Tigers site yet, it's a vastly different canoe than the plug brought from Raro, we will have some racing at Hamilton Island & I'll have plenty shots on my web site after that www.harvpix.com .. meantime here is one shot for a quick lood & a link to some video that Rambo produced, showing the performance in heavy chopp
http://vimeo.com/11230043
#18 Wed, 05/26/2010 - 10:32pm
Philippe Bernardino did not built Livestrong's newest canoe. He built their first two V-6, Noa and Noa Noa. Their canoe was built in house.
Tiger
#20 Fri, 05/28/2010 - 8:44am
Cool, thanks for the correction Tiger. the LiveStrong website only mentions Philippe as the designer but doesn't say which canoe specifically.
#21 Fri, 05/28/2010 - 1:57pm
Hey All,
Well I've been trying to keep up with developments and have been putting up all Australian approved OC6's that I know of with links to Manufacturers etc.
Check out <ahref"http://miocc.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/new-oc6-specifications/">http://miocc.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/new-oc6-specifications/
#22 Tue, 07/06/2010 - 5:15pm
Some info about who made what first etc could be wrong and would appreciate any input.
#23 Tue, 07/06/2010 - 5:16pm
One more correction, Phillip Bernadino did not build the ROC canoe, or at least not from scratch. The original mold was donated to the Cook Islands Canoe Association by Jean Claude Brander, the legendary canoe shaper from Tahiti.
Phillip took this design, took about another 1m out of the middle section (i.e. shortened it) plus a few other modifications and made another plug out of that, which became the ROC canoe that you'll see today if you visit Rarotonga. We still paddle the 'plug' around!!
The resulting shape is therefore distinctively Rarotongan, but has evolved from an earlier Tahitian shape from Brander. Each and every canoe thereafter was built by Mena, a Tahitian naturalised Cook Islander and a former World Champion paddler herself. A huge debt is owed to her, Ti Pekepo, Phillipe and of course, Brander for really taking canoeing in the Cook Islands as far as it is now, with the latest evolution being the new Taimana, again designed and built in the Cook Islands and shaped by Romeo (of 'Shell Va'a' fame). Romeo is one of the few I know who can actually shape out an entire racing va'a from a single log! He has an incredible eye - a gifted canoe shaper.
So there you go, I thought since people were talking story about the history of the ROC canoe, I would add some background.
The thing I have noticed having paddled all around the Pacific, is that the canoes have evolved to suit their environment (to a degree), except maybe in Hawaii, where the rules are more rigid. All canoes seem to come from 'common ancestors', where someone will take n existing canoe shape and modify it to some degree or another... this is particularly true in Tahiti, and the practised eye of a master shaper can often tell the lineage of this canoe or that.
Manuia.
#24 Wed, 07/07/2010 - 6:25pm
Hey CoconutRay, was the old rusty mould laying over the road from the CIC shed the original ROC one? It was there in 2008 but was removed in 2009. I have a photo of it somewhere
Found it
Rambo
#25 Wed, 07/07/2010 - 7:43pm
The ROC is actually built by Scott Wheeler and others at Currumbin and sold by Harvey Allison (well known photographer) who has many contacts in Cook islands and rarotonga. Scott did a number of modifications to the “plug” he recieved (including fairing) and is building them using a Fibreglass/Foam core construction
Not quite correct Latman, Scotty wouldn't know one end of a canoe from the other, it's just that the boys freak when I pick up power tools as you never know what might happen, I can assure you I was directing operations ( much to everyone's distress) when we designed the deck & made the changes, particularly up the front end !, the ama was shaped by Dietzy .. again while I watched, don't know why they won't let me help though, I always seem to get told to go play with my cameras !
#26 Wed, 07/07/2010 - 8:01pm
Ummm ....piece of history there. Maybe she could be given a better resting place or at least a firery send off and ashes scattered off the Boiler. You guys could then drink to her memories at "Traders". Or maybe have a ceremony at Vaka Eiva this year to bid her farewell.
#29 Wed, 07/07/2010 - 10:30pm
Heading to the Gold Coast tomorrow to pick up our very own Tiger ROC......:0)
#30 Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:06am
What is the next step for the progression of canoe design?
Will a new high-performance 6-man canoe design from Hawaii spread to Australia and/or California?
Will there be a canoe design evolution significant enough to impact iron man and 9-man races in California or Australia as there was in NewZealand with Kjeldsen's "Mahi Mahi"?
-Please focus your thoughts on how the teams and racing associations in Australia or California will react.
-Think more about solutions to the problems that might occur rather than pointing out something obvious such as money.
-I respect the culture and tradition of outrigger canoe paddling immensely but I want to see who will pioneer the sport, create ever better equipment, and most importantly maintain the respect, candor, sportsmanship, and aloha consistent with the highest moral standards.
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