O.K. Something real world useful
Thanks for going to the trouble to post that Pat, great read and even better info.
Cheers Rambo
#1 Sun, 11/09/2008 - 11:39pm
Great depth of detail there onnopaddle, all valid and useful info too. BTW , thanks for making my daughter such a nice wing paddle , she loves it and uses it daily .
Fuzerider
#2 Mon, 11/10/2008 - 2:26am
Onno: Thank you so much for taking the time to post this. I will be printing this out, and posting it in my garage as I endeavor to fix a new puka from this weekend.
#3 Mon, 11/10/2008 - 8:45am
ono, thanks for that post. I didn't read it at all cause its waaay too long but it looks like there must be some really goood info in it.
poops
#4 Mon, 11/10/2008 - 11:10am

Below is written some years ago when was I a little more angry but is still how it is with pros when time = money and discerning ( anal ) customers are involved.
How to touch up a minor surface scratch.
For a solid 10 years while developing my paddles and boats I supported myself by repairing high end sailboards, racing yachts and all kinds of paddlecraft. Many times my shop looked like a tradeshow except the boats were not all glossed up. I have seen boats that were bailed out of, the owner finally putting her life in perspective, not wanting to go up against a rocky shoreline and 6-8 foot surf. (Read more in materials) Or the TWO fiberglass tandems that simultaneously pulled the rip cord at 85 mph.
As most repair guys will tell you, it is most amusing to see the faces of those who sometimes think there's nothing left but the crying'. What they will NOT tell you is how easy it is to repair. The mystery behind the curtain is how they make their money. Read grossly overcharge. The fact that I never played on these fears is probably why I still have people calling me years later to let me know how great their repaired to like new equipment is holding up. If I am fortunate enough to be good at something it is probably diagnosing and repairing these thin laminates and maybe building paddles and boats. I intimately know about what works and what doesn't when it comes to kayak and paddle construction. I have been accused of preferring to build boats and paddles rather than use them. I will only say you honestly get your money's worth when I build something for you. My 'loss' is your gain. Thank you.
How to touchup a minor surface scratch or gelcoat gouge. Taking the above exultations to heart, this is how I would do it if I really wanted to have something come out nice and not cause further trauma. If you do not make a mess you probably are doing it right. Alot of this detail work can also be applied when touching up the paint on your car. Be patient, check your work, and use tape until you get a feel for things.
What you need: Most things can be purchased at Home Depot or a Marine store. Or ask me.
*.....Like sand paper. Imperial Production wet or dry sand paper from 3M is worth the extra cost in time/effort /boat saved. 320grit, 600grit, and finally 1200/1500grit...2000 if you can get it.
These numbers would most likely be 280,400/1000/1200 if you can only find the generic brand. These are the approximate equivalent of the superior 3M. I am already writing a book here but I need to say something about some of these (non 3M) sand papers lest other composite guys call me on it. Some of these papers have silicone in them and may cause bonding problems on subsequent repairs should you need to do something over. Just call me if you need a more elaborate explanation.
*POLISHING not rubbing compound. As above please read label and avoid silicones if you can. Label should also say "For removal of 1200 /1500 grit scratches." I use 3M FINESSE IT because it does a great job, washes out of non-skid, clothing, and I can relate to the name better than Great White.
Bends a little bit= 1/8 paneling, rubber truck bedliner, dumptruck mudflap, cd case (cd is too flexible), or a piece of cardboard matching the footprint of a block of hardwood. Or get the block and cut it down. The control you get with the smaller size far surpasses the speed and potential for mistakes you get using the block full size.
*Material; if you are lucky you have some of the original gelcoat that matches your boat perfectly. (Supplied with all TIDELINE kayaks) You may contact the manufacturer and request some, have the boat's serial# at hand. I highly recommend doing this. If you care enough about your boat's cosmetics to be repairing scratches you will NEVER be satisfied unless the color is at least close. Now that I think about it , a severely scratched boat would look good if the scratches were repaired in a complementary contrasting color. While I am here I will say this. Most people I have ever talked to are overly worried about scratches. I always try to talk folks out of fixing them.. they really are not harming the boat. Each scratch is it's own entity and ALOT more work than you think to fix it properly and if not properly than why do it at all? Look at the bottom of your boat, which ones do you start with? There are probably alot more than you thought. I honestly think a scratched/non-repaired boat looks far more attractive than a cobbed, patched up one. If you are getting ready to sell boat maybe polish it up, but that is really as far as you should go in my opinion. Why not just re-gelcoat or paint it??? Please read answer in future FAQ.
Should we stop here???
If you cannot get the proper gelcoat here are some options;
Use any color, try to use those generic pigments to match your boat (good luck and over use of these inhibit the complete curing of gelcoat), pay someone to match it ,i.e. how much money do you have?...Buy a new paddle with this money instead, or use clear-slightly thickened resin. I feel the latter is the easiest to work and live with.
I may raise some dust here but the clear polyester FINISHING resin you can buy at Home Depot or surf shop/possibly model shop probably not at the marine (laminating and not pretty) store dovetails right into the plan. It's clear and will only slightly darken original color, no fussing with color and it cures fast and consistently . If you wish you may use straight resin to fill scratches, gravity may want a say here and your answer to this is to tilt boat or use a bit of filler to thicken the resin. If you are really going for cosmetics, take your time and use straight resin. Otherwise purchase the smallest amount of any kind of filler. West Systems 406 is perfect.
MAKE THE TIME TO DO IT RIGHT
Do:
From here on resin and gelcoat get treated the same way.
*If I am really feeling lucky I endeavor to use razor as a scraper and bring filled area down to almost perfect. Then I START wetsanding at my final grit. Try it and save time precious or.......................walk away for a few hours-overnight.
Speaking of shiny, do you really want to have a bunch of glossy spots on the bottom of your boat? If not wetsand only to match surrounding area's sheen and buff. Or remove all the fittings, keep going with the 2000 and buff out the whole boat to have it look better than ever right as you sell it.
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