Zephyr OC1
i have been using a fusion and find the zephyr tends to track better upwind as well as surf waves with less pearling giving a faster hall speed in the bigger surf conditions of hawaii downwinders...of course
#1 Tue, 12/25/2007 - 2:02pm
Nice Canoe, one of the best I have been on. it definitely has speed ,nice ama action, longer than the my Pegasus. felt really durable but I just had taken it for a test run. I would defiantly would love to have that under the Christmas tree.
#2 Tue, 12/25/2007 - 2:30pm
ASFAIK the Zephyr is the improved Fusion, likely built based on Karel Jr constant feedback.
Both the Fusion and the Zephyr are very well built boats.
The key difference is a more vertical volume at the bow that changes the characteristics of the boat in the wave upwind and downwind.
The gunnel is higher in the cockpit area to even better prevent entry of water.
The boat may be slightly narrower and the footwell may have move slightly forward - I am not entirely sure about these last two.
I own a Fusion - it is a rock solid boat that does best what it is designed for - surf.
#3 Wed, 12/26/2007 - 12:30am
I own a Karel built Zephyr. First of all can I say what a pleasure it is dealing with those guys at Outrigger Connection... they were in regular contact with me as to the progress of its construction, and went out of their way to assist with helping me to get it out here in the middle of the South Pacific.
As for the canoe, well it takes a bit of getting used to - but I've found that to be the case for every canoe I've ever owned (viper, hurricane, pegasus, fusion, and now Zephyr). The deep hull makes flying the ama a challenge, as the canoe will 'fall' onto its side much more quickly, and makes the canoe seem tippy. I find the ama is very well balanced anyway, and when the canoe is on the wave, it will tend to sit on the very back part of the ama, which more often than not makes it unnecessary to 'pop' the ama. The canoe definitely has less volume than the Fusion at the back end - it has a pin tail - which is good for sidewind conditions etc. It is also an inch narrower than the Fusion.
I have found the canoe to be very, very fast in medium/large conditions with following waves, and exceptionally easy to manoevre from one wave to the next, especially when it starts to plane.
I also have the feeling I am sitting quite high on the canoe, which I guess is a result of the deep hull design. Some people may say this makes the canoe more tippy, but I like it because the angle of paddle entry into the water is better (feels a bit like the tahitian cockpit style canoes, where you sit higher and have more leverage 'leaning' into the stroke).
I think the canoe is a very technical design, and an experienced paddler will get alot out of it, but like the fusion, it takes a bit of getting used to - which is fine by me.
SO those would be my thoughts at the outset, I'm still working out the subtleties of this canoe, and will provide a more detailed assessment once I have been on it long enough.
#4 Fri, 12/28/2007 - 10:21am
i love my zephyer built by karel as well...will keep you informed as time goes on and i know what im talking about...doing the solo in april with it...lets hope its a big day.
#5 Thu, 03/13/2008 - 8:10pm
Do you guys feel the slightly lower stern volume helps to balance the bow out a little better ? Not including rocker please ,,, just isolate the sea-saw effect of volume.
Downwind:
Less 'tilting' from a volumeous stern 'angling' the bow down ?
Upwind and downwind in steeps:
Less resisting the bow from riding up over stuff ?
Hope this makes sense.
#6 Fri, 03/14/2008 - 1:06am
That Zephyr must be the fastest boat ever, Look at Fuzeriders hair, Must have be hot on reentry, He looks a little red,
#8 Fri, 03/14/2008 - 4:47am
Although you can hardly say that the Pegasus is the best flat-water boat around, it beats the snot out of the Zephyr in the flats.
...of course that's with Lauren B. paddling the Pegasus, and Grover from Sesame Street in the Zephyr.
And I KNOW about flat water.
#12 Fri, 03/14/2008 - 11:10am
How long do you think it takes Grover to dry out after paddling? Must take a while and I bet he stinks like ass after.
Poops
#13 Fri, 03/14/2008 - 11:19am
i'd like to hear the comparison with the zeph and the scorpius which has simular measurements and characteristics
#14 Fri, 03/14/2008 - 11:54am
If you really want to sell a boat that's perfect for most paddlers on the east coast, you'll get in touch w/ Keizo and co. and pick up a few Kaimanas!
#16 Sat, 03/15/2008 - 6:03am
For those not familiar with the Aussie specs for OC1/2's. all our canoes must have no bolts or fittings exposed (including covering up the rudder tiller bar with a cover)
Legend has it that a paddler was smacked front on in the chest while punching over a wave and ended up straddling the stern, the only thing preventing a complete exit at the rear was a Goolie bag snagged on the tiller bar bolt. He was also inappropriately dressed in " Speedos", which are skin tight short bathers or togs .. ala the "HOFF". After a short layoff from paddling activities, the stitches were removed, the AOCRA specs upgraded and paddling resumed.
This paddler never called "Huts" ever again, voice was too high pitched.
True story.
Cheers Rambo
#18 Sat, 03/15/2008 - 3:36pm
Rambo when I read OC1/2, I thought you were talking about a Half man's boat. Then I read your story and ... you are definitely talking about a man that has been halved !
#19 Sat, 03/15/2008 - 5:59pm
I just got a super light one today made in Hawaii. Wow is all I can say so far. Very true, almost no up and down movement. I was told it slices through chop and thats no exaggeration.
#20 Sun, 03/16/2008 - 8:15pm
He's half the man he use to be but still rockin' the Zephyr for all it's worth. Nice one jc.
I swear the car in the video is a Studebaker Zephyr ??? ... could be wrong
Cheers Rambo

#22 Mon, 03/17/2008 - 12:19am
I've never paddled one but I was looking at a Zephyr at the club the other day and that buggah is huge! Looks like way more volume than Kaimana even. Anyone under 200 lbs must have a hell of a time getting that thing to glide in the flats.
#23 Mon, 03/17/2008 - 4:44am
Yeah, but Mulus, you could make a barn door glide with your skills. I'm talkin' 'bout the average canoe buying public. That being said, like all of Karel's products, it appears to be extremely well made and designed...for huge roping trade wind swells!
#27 Mon, 03/17/2008 - 6:28am
I wonder how many Zephyrs were in the Top twenty of that Koa Nui time trial? That would be an excellent indication of performance in the flats, I think.
#29 Mon, 03/17/2008 - 8:37am
Koa Nui Day 1. Kea and Kai on Scorpius. Not bad for a canoe made for the surf! Glide!!! Surf!!! Lauren Bartlett- Pegasus -not bad in the flats and surf. I'll be interested to see how day 2 went.
#30 Mon, 03/17/2008 - 9:01am
them winning had nothing to do with the fact that they're some of the best athletes in the sport. It was all the boat.
#31 Mon, 03/17/2008 - 3:26pm
I have to say Fuserider - as a fuse owner myself, I am disapointed in the finish of the china boats. I think they are dull and I can see some of the buffer marks on the deck. This goes for all the fuse / fusion and zephyrs. I am surprised Karel lets them out to market after making such beauties in hawaii.
Do you why this is ?
#36 Tue, 04/01/2008 - 11:18am
Last time i saw both the Hawaiian made and the China made side by side in the racks at Karel's shop, the only difference i could see was the stickers were in different places.
If you're comparing Gelcoat to Polyurethane paint, then the former will appear duller.
Are the buffer marks on the surface from a finishing polisher or is it bleed thru of the underlying fabric?
Rambo
#38 Tue, 04/01/2008 - 11:44am
The dull finish can be a number of things. The mold may not have been wet sanded and polished to a mirror finish. But that wouldnt matter with a painted boat which gets sanded and painted. More than likely the clear coat was not wet sanded very well and they tried to polish it anyways. In the end, the LP painted boats have the capabilty of being more "glossy" than the gel coat but you'll have to wet sand the clear to 2500 and polish. If you wish to do it yourself I'd suggest starting with 1500, then 2000, then 2500, then polish with system one ( http://www.systemoneaps.com/ )
#39 Tue, 04/01/2008 - 12:09pm
Now lets get back to the topic on the Zephyer ,well after over three months now and many Hawaii Kia runs downwind I can tell you this boat punches through small wind fetch with ease and gets you right into the action up ahead when you need it.It surfs like Laird Hamilton in the large ground swell, thats if you have the power to get into them in the first place...Over all we have tested this boat with the same course runs with the same paddler against the Fusion and it always comes out on top in times completed...now lets test the Scorpious anyone got one to loan ????
#40 Tue, 04/01/2008 - 3:22pm
...or maybe it was his training and skill. What happened to his chine-effect last year?
Bottom line, there is no evidence for your chine-effect. None. Zip. Jr's a damn good paddler and was long before chines were on his boat.
#42 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 3:49am
Thats funny. It aint the chines. Jr. is just that good. What happened last year. Get off of OC Connections nut sac.. Its embarrasing.
#45 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 7:52am
you all notice Jr. had a different ama? it apeared thinner and more pointy at the front were the iako goes in...take a look at the pics and look at pics of a normal one...just an observation...
#46 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 8:09am
yah, luke was tellin me they have a new design commin out. there is a party for it, and for kamana on the 5th to celebrate it. it is saposed to be a bigger design with the front iako moved a few inches forward to accomodate longer reach guys, etc...or that is what he relayed to me...
#49 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 8:27am
guess its not a good boat to use when going upwind or when the channel is like a millpond. Or if the race is a long slow slog. Karel will make any boat look great. doesnt matter if he paddled a sled.
#51 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 8:39am
Danny was riding the new Kamanu Composites desgin, Mael rode it on Saturday in Maui to Molokai and then Danny paddled it Sunday. Stoked to see some new designs coming from Kamanu Composites. Boat supposedly is incredible, that'll be confirmed when more people get theirs.
#53 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:07am
No, im actually a Karel fan and I really like the mirage six man canoe. Then again the lightning was 15 min. faster in the channel..hum. maybe the lightining was designed better. Dont really thing so. All the boats are designed well, but what I am saying is the paddler makes the difference. So, without Jr's amazing paddling skills, would Zephyr have done so well?
#54 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:11am
I am so surprised how much credit people give the boat rather than the paddlers. Blows me away! I guess its easier to think its the boat and not my training.
#55 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:17am
When others win, its the training. When Jr wins, its the boat. Got it? Now buy the damn boat.
#57 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:21am
the new Kamanu boat has no chines. that would just be silly sheep like behavior. it is called the Pueo.
#58 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:27am
crap e2060, shoots I didn't catch that. I am now enlightened. I don't have a zeyphr nor can i ever afford one, but I do have chines on my boat so I feel good about that.
#59 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:42am
Then you're chine-enabled, poops. You're good to go. No training necessary. Just turn on the chines in the final third of the race.
#60 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:45am
Hope they put chines on the mirage. Outrigger may need them to make up the huge advantage tahiti has with the Lightning.
#61 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:51am
Westside,
Good point about chines on the Mirage. If chines are the ultimate, how come there aren't any on the Mirage.
#62 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 10:08am
Seems to me that when you pick up a runner on an OC6, that you're definately on plane.
#64 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 11:32am
Yea, I saw OPT plane right by us with all paddles on their laps. I must be wrong tho, six mans dont plane. Sounds like someone is kissing butt. Im sure there are other ways to climb OC's corporate ladder..might as well try'em.
#65 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 12:20pm
I'll be planing tomorrow in Seattle at about 11pm PST, and de-planing in Honolulu a few hours later.
During the flight I was thinking about sprinting through the aisle, up to the cockpit, bursting in through the door, (no matter who tries to stop me) and asking the pilot if a plain plane with chines can plane as well as a planing plain six-man without chines.
#66 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 12:33pm
Goto
Isn't there some Homeland Security supercomputer that monitors all internet postings. I think the SWAT team is at your door right about now.
#69 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 12:42pm
I know that proper grammar dictates that names, sentences and headings begin with capital letters, but my name is: goto. All lower-case. It denotes my rank among paddlers - I have not yet earned the big G.
Hopefully the SWAT team finds Goto, and not me. Cross your fingers!
#70 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 12:48pm

Now that a few paddlers own the new Zephyr OC from Outrigger Connection , can anyone here make a few comments on it`s performance and handling ?
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