Just wanted to share this clip from New Zealand. Conditions weren't as good as previous year but still had something to work with and was alot of fun.
Submitted by Mean DNA on Tue, 04/27/2010 - 9:41am
Just wanted to share this clip from New Zealand. Conditions weren't as good as previous year but still had something to work with and was alot of fun.
Submitted by Mean DNA on Tue, 04/27/2010 - 9:41am
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Your cameraman has a knack of making it look like those sit-ons dominate, when actually the real picture is a bit different............in the typical NZ conditions (as seen in the clip) guys on rudderless V1's are right up there with the Fusions etc. and then there is the older guy Tonga who finished second to the younger open paddler in the event shown..... ahead of almost every one of the sit-ons in the clip.
Tonga was paddling an old fibreglass V1 type canoe with a little rudder fitted.........the same canoe that he uses to take out the masters division rudderless.
#1 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 11:29am
Are you serious goodwaka, I just wanted to share the video of padding in NZ. But nice to have your 2cents.
#2 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 1:30pm
Nice video - mahalo for sharing. I did not notice any impression of dominance represented in the video but i did notice there were a good representation of Kai Wa'a OC-1s and also almost if not all the canoes had an extra paddle strapped on - I wondered if that is a safety rule requirement or just that everyone there does it as standard practice.
Nice.
#3 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 2:28pm
Are the V1s faster than the surfskis too? If the v1 has a rudder fitted, is it still a v1?
Thanks for a cool video.
#4 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 2:37pm
Surfski without ama and a double blade paddle is invariably the faster
downwind craft...like Eckhart has discovered.
So equipment can make a difference, but NZ downwind conditions are hardly
worth the same need for specialised equipment as in Hawaii, and paddler
ability is the bigger deal.
As far as photo journalism goes, your cameraman never catches that moment
that shows how the basic all round canoe is right up there with the flash
jobs, because the paddler makes it happen.
In all the dozens of clips covering NZ events I have never seen one of
Tonga, close up, in focus and pushing close to a younger paddler on the
latest piece of imported equipment. He invariably takes the open water
series win and there is never anyone on a Fusion close to him. But this
story is never told by the camera.
About a V1 with a rudder fitted.....well, a sit-on does not become a V1 when
the rudder is removed, and a V1 is still a V1, rudder or not, by reason of
the fact that the rudder determines little if the canoe is competitive
without it.
#5 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 4:50pm
I actually asked in another forum what makes a V1 a V1 and Luke said the Tahitians base their description on wether it has a cockpit or not. The rudder has nothing to do with it apparently.
#6 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 4:57pm
Haha ok Goodwaka. We all know you are the canoe builder of Tongas canoe. And i now know you are upset that it is not showed on videos. Does yours sales not explain that. Having only one canoe in races is your fault. once you sell more canoes mate you might see more and more pop in these such videos. My camera guy does not paddle and this is his first paddling video, he is not missing out your canoe on purpose. its just that there was only 1 amoungst 72 paddlers. Just stop your moaning and enjoy the video.
kamamakakaua- Being a memorial race we are trying to enforce paddlers to have the right gear so that if they get into trouble the correct gear is there. this way paddlers will always have them, and hopyfully stop a tragedy.
There is alot of excitment over peggys here. actually its the only canoe that is imported. Wainuis are made here.
Also NZ have great conditions. Just not always on race day.
#7 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 7:29pm
This video has your canoe in it goodwaka. Nice flat conditions battling it with the flash job.
#8 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 7:32pm
goodwaka how good is your waka, how do get it to go so slow. It wouldn't matter if you had the best paddlers in the world paddling it, it would still finish behind a fusion
#9 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 9:12pm
It's not so much about the canoe as about the paddler, and that clip of the dated relay race is the only one in how many years?? Anyway it looks as though the cameraman couldn't get a clear shot of the Fusion because the other waka was in the way, not because there was any intention of showing clear paddling action as is the case with the usual zoom shots.
Take the rudder off the Fusion and it will only go in circles, and not very fast because there is not the slope of water in NZ from tradewind swell to help it along.
You know that Maketu to Tauranga is the premier 'downwind run' in NZ, which means that theres nothing near ideal conditions that a Fusion is designed for..... and it was the flavour of the moment a couple of years ago.
A "Peggy" is the rage now, you say..............Pity that Hawaiian tradewind swell can't be shipped here in containers too, so that the whole deal is imported and not just part of it.
Let's face it the typical "nice flat" conditions you jab at are mostly what paddling is about in NZ, so like I said, show that the most expensive flash boats are not really needed to make the most of conditions here.
#10 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 11:29pm
You would have had your video GoodWaka if the damn Tsunami had not force the race cancellation of the Singles race for the Takapuna Cup earlier this year. There were nearly 300 Oc1's on the beach on Sunday waiting to launch. I got the day off from filming so we never got any footage of the singles. Got plenty of the OC6's on Saturday see here http://rambos-locker.blogspot.com/2010/03/takapuna-beach-cup-42k-changes...
That's a nice country over there Goodwaka, the Bro's all looked after me too, Marlin, Swordfish, Beer ...ehehe.
You can't blame the guy's for wanting Peggies, and Hurricanes Goodwaka, they see them on the videos and want one and they go pretty good in the flat. You make a beautiful V1 Goodwaka, i have seen them and your work, but that doesn't always equate to sales. Some times you have to do more, like put on some races and maybe have a few beers after, have some demo days etc. ..create some interest.
See all you Bro's next year same time.... Takapuna time.
Rambo
#11 Tue, 04/27/2010 - 11:51pm
Thanks Rambo. Glad you could appreciate things over here.
One thing though..........I am not harping on about sales. It is not possible to make my canoes anything near as quickly as those that the DNA dudes like so much (the sit-on's). So it is not going to help much if a hundred people want one next week.
#12 Wed, 04/28/2010 - 3:10am
Goodwaka,
Good eye, my brother, on these videos.
You have moved to criticizing videos-Right on.
When I saw the video I was thinking-Wow beautiful race course, scenery and paddlers having fun. I was also thinking isn't it great that we have a video of a race. Videos are so few and far between in our sport.
I didn’t know it was an evil plot to discredit one canoe design over another. Now I see it. Obvious Viral marketing Kai Waa surely paid loads of money to have canoes featured and look fast.
Just wait until Kamanu gets in the New Zealand game. Kamanu owners are really sneaky -almost like a mafia. They use all kinds of trick videos and subliminal marketing to make their canoes look fast and good. I will say it. The Pueo isn’t that fast. All of the zombies lining up to buy it and race it have just been tricked. The videos in Hawaii are like commercials for Budweiser or should I say Pueo. Buy the Pueo it will get you chicks!, Buy the Pueo you will always have fun paddling. Buy the Pueo I dropped it off of the Pali and it didn't break. Buy the Pueo and you can be "In Da Club" and a VIP. I have personally seen them pay other guys to go slower to make Pueo look fast. No Joke-Moke
I feel your pain GoodWaka, let's stick together on this. We are like the “Outsiders” Greasers Vs. Socs I will be Pony Boy-you can be Johnny.
Goodwaka, can you tell us what was wrong with the trailer for the Molo Solo this year?
Notice Keizo posted it-Of course
Goodwaka, I will start and you fill in the rest-
“Carbon iakos on a OC-1 I think…………………
“Lime Green jersey-come on……………………..
All Love-Too much free time at work.
Aloha
#13 Wed, 04/28/2010 - 7:42am
"So it is not going to help much if a hundred people want one next week'
build them for the love of building them. People who appreciate the individualness of a 100% hand crafted boat will buy.
Do I buy cloned machine made surfboards that get pumped out by the thousands.. no.. I go to my buddy who shapes everything by hand, glasses them all himself, and I appreciate the process. Those who do appreciate, as I do, will find you.
#14 Wed, 04/28/2010 - 7:32am
Freaken Ah to the video. It was another great day. It was great to see more and more Kiwi paddlers taking up the challenge and pushing themselves to complete the 31km course. Bhutty would be stoked that this is in his honour. Before he was taken from us we had talked about how we can lift the game of nz paddlers and had talked about having longer open ocean races. So it is a prefect fit. Hey as any event organiser/paddler would know you can’t predict the condition on race day. This year it was for sure smaller than we would have liked. And you are right goodwaka a long boat would have suited the condition better this year. If I had a good long boat /V1 I would have considered it. But we all can’t have two or three canoes. So we have to make the choice which camp we want to be in.
In NZ most of our races are in harbours and on lakes and rivers. And it frustrates the hell out of most of the top paddlers who are capable of paddling rough open water. But any hint of a wave or wind and the tendencies is to call the event off. And sometimes for good reason. A lot of kiwis will get into shit out there because they do not have the experience to handle it. Only one way to get it tho. But for newer paddlers to go straight out into a down wind run in a rudderless or ruddered long boat will just get them into trouble. I’ve seen too many V1 style of canoes get worked and busted in the swell. And that is to do if experience, style of canoe and workmanship of their build.
As apart of the event organising team for this event. I want to see more paddlers doing the yards and pushing themselves to the next level to compete at these longer ocean races that we are starting to have her in NZ. I’d prefer for safety reasons that they would show up on a well built canoe with a rudder if they are newer to the game, either V1 or OC1. For those experienced guys that want the added challenge of going rudderless they are welcome to it. And hey some days that would be an advantage. But the days when myself and lads love being out there is when it is blowing. Which it does and our “imported fancy pants” canoes do what they are designed to do. Nothing wrong with enjoying a good downwind run. Shit even ‘your’ Tonga does. But he does notice his V1 style canoe comes unstuck when it is up. Knowing wrong with that either because it is designed for different conditions. I wouldn’t take a fully ridged mountain bike on a big downhill track. Hey if I was a legion, I maybe able to keep up with the others on their downhill rigs. But it wouldn’t be as much fun and the chances or injuring myself would be greatly increased. Same goes the other way a downhill rig on a cross-country trail would just be a grind. SO different canoes for different conditions.
Personal I love downwind. The bigger the better. It is no free ride either. It is a different skill set to master, just as rudderless paddling is. Which I’ll do as well. But for me I have had to choose one way or the other and because of where I want to go with my paddling and where I live, I’m an ocean downwinder and love it. And hopefully next year the conditions will be up again so that everyone on the line has a even better day and wants more and more of it.
And Goodwaka don’t be a dick. Get your arse on the line and join in the fun. There is honestly no conspiracy against your canoe or Tonga. Tonga is a great paddler and I love competing against the Great White.
And sorry for the novel guys
#15 Wed, 04/28/2010 - 12:17pm
dodgiebro: whoever you are, thanks for the advice. But I'm just an old guy who has spends too much time slogging away in a workshop to be in much paddling shape......looks best for me to use a sail to start going downwind at this stage of the game.
If my intention had been to aim at going downwind when I started building waka ama, I would have done myself a favour by buying a surfki instead, and stayed out of the workshop.
Sure, I know that when it blows at over 60 knots, like the time that Bhutty lost it, Tonga took his V1 out on a down wind run and found that he really needed a different hull for the conditions, so has gotten an OC1 for those conditions. But like you say....not everyone can have a number of boats to suit all conditions......................hey I gotta go now, so maybe will speak again later, cheers
#16 Thu, 04/29/2010 - 10:43am
Stay gold, pony boy.
#17 Thu, 04/29/2010 - 11:40am
goodwaka, what happened to your canoe at the aotearoa aito, in typical nz conditions like you say your canoe is designed for, the tahitian v1's cleaned up, so it looks like your canoe is no good in nz at all
#18 Sat, 05/01/2010 - 2:42pm
Recently did a test with a locally made V1 against Imported Tahitian V1's..........put them all in the water and they just sat there without even moving. Conclusion is that the paddler has big influence on canoe speed.
Oh yeh! in connection with the hater message.......Tonga was the first master paddler to finish NZ Aito and Richard was first senior master to finish.
Fact that both of them paddled waka I made has little influence on their paddling ability..........they would still have won their divisions on imported Tahitian V1's
#19 Sat, 05/01/2010 - 7:59pm