New Ehukai designed by John Puakea and Built by OZONE! Available for Demo on Big Island and Oahu! First Container should be arriving in the next couple months. Contact John Puakea or myself to try out this amazing new design!
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Submitted by Aukina3 on Mon, 07/01/2013 - 9:07am
#1 Mon, 07/01/2013 - 10:22am
Some questions I would have
What is the cost? and layups?
Is it only China Made?
Can you have custom designs and colors?
If its starts to become defective for unknown reasons in say 6 months will the customer get help for repairs or where to go to. As well as using the same materials?
That foot cover is smart and interesting is it removable without water leaking in? Maybe a paddler might not like the way his legs sit in there so he may want to remove it.
I think these questions and more is what paddlers want to know.
Mahalo for the pics
#2 Mon, 07/01/2013 - 10:26am
I don't get the video, but I think do.
I've read (or heard) from Pueo guys many times they want this forum to be void of any biases to their business entity. From what I've gathered the forum is to move paddling forward without any biases to the founders, and to help the overall cummunitiy of paddlers and the sport as a whole. To have personal feelings prevent communication of valuable information for the community would just be putting oneself above the best interest of the sport and the paddlers. Keep this a governed by rules and not a forum governed on whims of humans.
To put it simply. Leave the kids out of the parents squabble.
Btw- that looks much different from a Pueo than I thought it would. Ama looks way different because it's much fatter in the rear (reminds me of a scorpius a little). The hull looks relatively fatter in the middle.
#3 Mon, 07/01/2013 - 10:58am
@unklekahi : The cost will be $4,300 (Includes Boat cover, Ama cover, and Rudder cover) There will be just one layup for now. It is a very similar layup to the Storm being made only difference is there will be a thicker foam core (It will be bladder molded with prepreg and put into an autoclave {Very similar process to how they are making the new composite airplanes}). Yes the boat will only be made in china (The cost would be astronomical to do the same process here in Hawaii). You can have custom colors, but for now it will just be solid colors. You'll be able to choose deck color, hull color, a seam color if you wish, a footwell cover color and ama colors for deck, hull and seem. Ozone has been very good about warranty on Boats and if it is determined that the boat broke due to something being defective they will fix it or replace it if necessary, but if it is determined that you got smoked by a wave at your favorite surf spot, or it came off the car, or you dropped it, etc. then it will not be covered by a warranty, but we have repair shops able to fix with the same materials and paints. Lastly the foot cover is removable and does not leak when you take it off (things are still being finalized as to which way the cover will be attached). Also the iakos will be carbon not aluminium and the steering system is the same system as a storm except we will be using stainless cable.
#4 Mon, 07/01/2013 - 11:39am
Is the seam color actually covering a seam? I thought the bladder prepeg meant "seamless". Is a solid color possible too? What's the estimated weight?
Mahalo
#5 Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:14pm
Aukina3..will it be possible to order aluminum iakos? Just for the peace of mind.
#6 Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:21pm
Yes you can order aluminum iakos but they will be sold separately at an additional cost. The boat does not have a seam but you can get a color there if you like. If you did the deck hull and seam the same color it would be all one color.
#7 Mon, 07/01/2013 - 2:25pm
Oh estimate weight between 17&18lbs
#8 Mon, 07/01/2013 - 2:26pm
Right on! I also recently had a chance to demo the Ehukai. Was going to post pics last night but wasn't sure if it was a smart thing to do.
And it's not the same hull as the pueo, it's an totally different hull, the performance alone will clue you in on that if the visuals dont.
some key points were from JP were:
Rudder: similar to Storm but stronger parts, JP decided to go with stainless cables instead of the spectra line (im sure everyone is happy to hear that)
Drain: Standard drain plug in ama, and hull instead of storm type of venting/drain.
Cockpit: One standard size.
Foot/pedal cover: the help shed water and prevent it from getting into the footwell. Cover design is not 100% set in stone, JP leaning towards the cover being removeable. It's doesn't hinder leg room at all, might be different story for taller guys. I'm only 5'7 and no problems.
Iakos: Iakos come standard with carbon same as other Ozone built boats, but Ehukai is supposed to be thicker and stronger. Also Aluminum option available.
Bag: Ehukai ships with canoe bag/cover standard.
Storage: standard with rear bungies, font bungies may also be an option if foot cover is removeable.
Layup: One layup, estimated weight was in the area of 17.5lbs. Demo(s) is heavier then production boats for demo purposes.
Color: Basic color options for now. I'm assuming your color options are limited to current Ozone boat colors. So color combonations can be desgined around knowing that. Currently no plans for fades, but this is certainly something he's looking into doing.
You need to try this for yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#9 Mon, 07/01/2013 - 5:50pm
admittedly I've mostly owned Kamanu boats so I'm pretty biased.
Wasn't there all kinds of press about the Ehukai being significantly cheaper than all the Hawaiian made boats?
Secondly if there's no seam why go through all the work of painting one on?
Lastly, glad the boat is here so people can try it instead of hearing the reps blow hot air about it.
Edit: credit where credit is due. Johnny is obviously a talented designer; the ehukai looks nice. Hope this solo venture works out for him.
#10 Mon, 07/01/2013 - 8:21pm
It looks so... I dont know...
I like the new pueo better
#11 Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:23am
Where can we sample on the big island?
#12 Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:38am
@probinson: message john puakea
he's living on the big island.
#13 Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:57am
@JC9_0 : I think once you test the boat you'll see that the price is well worth what your getting. :)
The seam (Pin Line) paint option, is just another option for people to have (if you don't like it then you don't have to choose that option)!
#14 Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:07am
i guess i've never knowingly seen a boat with a nonfunctional seam line. interesting.
so for 4300 you get a canoe with a covers, an amas, two iako, a seats, and rudder. that is a lot of stuff. i had just thought the price point for the china made canoe was going to be way lower. but to be perfectly honest i've never shopped for one so I don't know how much any chinaboat costs. everything i thought i knew or must have heard about price was all just rumors, glad you've clarified things.
#15 Tue, 07/02/2013 - 7:51pm
About 5 or 6 years ago you could buy a Hyper canoe for $3100. Id gladly pay $1000 more for a canoe that im assuming will stay in 1 piece and has no lumber inside...
#16 Tue, 07/02/2013 - 2:55pm
I purchased a very well made, China made, Kai Wa'a Pegasus for $3200 delivered. (pictured on the left) Lite and strong. Carbon. Came with a canoe cover and ama cover. That was also 5 or 6 years ago when the price of carbon, and fuel, was cheaper... before we pissed all our wealth away in useless wars.
#17 Tue, 07/02/2013 - 3:09pm
Every one of my OC1's have been Chinese made (Hurricane, Pegasus & Scorpius) - we don't have access to Hawaiian-made canoes and if some do make their way to Oz, they're ridiculously expensive. I can honestly say that I have not had a bad one. My current XM is the best of the lot - extremely light, well made, solid and fast. Also, a locally made Pueo is $1000 more than an imported XM.
#18 Tue, 07/02/2013 - 3:13pm
Can't we just invade Carbonia and take all their carbon?
#19 Tue, 07/02/2013 - 6:49pm
We tried with Unobtainium and where did that lead to?
#20 Wed, 07/03/2013 - 9:55am
I've heard that Carbonia is hiding WMDs. We'll be invading in no time.
#21 Wed, 07/03/2013 - 4:42pm
My best guess for carbonia would be here http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/facilities/
But an invasion may have collateral effect on one of the OCP and distribution of one avian named aquatic craft.
Or maybe said OCP member is has already infiltrated said location and is .. hold on knock at the door .... hey!!!fboknrtot54tbmnnbnm v29t5yni5jno v09j09jyh90b-ogd repom5g4]2
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#22 Wed, 07/03/2013 - 5:27pm
i work in that building! not a good source of raw materials there. sorry.
#23 Wed, 07/03/2013 - 7:01pm
Any info on specs? Like can a fat guy get on this boat? Any objective opinions from people that have demoed it? Any info on when they will be available on Oahu?
#24 Fri, 07/05/2013 - 8:36pm
I'm 6'1, what is the max. leg room compaired to an extended Pueo, extended Scorpius or the Pueo 2?
Regarding the "Standard layup simiilar to the Storm". I was unable to find anything on the Storm to get a comparison. What weight carbon is used on the interior and exterior of the Ehukai? How thick is the core material?
What colors will be available?
How long is the list to demo the Ehukai on Oahu?
#25 Mon, 07/08/2013 - 7:51am
The Ehukai is layed up with four layer of unidirectional carbon (200 grams) on each side of the core. The core is 3 mil corecell on the hull and 2 mill corecell on the deck. The boat is expected to be around 17-18 lbs. For now the colors that will be offered will be the same colors that are offered for a storm, hurricane, scorpius (xm, xs, etc.) that are made at OZONE. I'm 6'2" tall and don't have any problems paddling the canoe. I weigh 195 lbs. We have had someone 210 lbs paddle the canoe and absolutely love it. As for heavier than that I couldn't tell you cause we haven't tried yet. We don't have a list to demo as we are using my canoe on oahu and johnny's canoe on the big island as the demo boats. Feel free to message me and We should be able to set something up. For now the boats are only being lent out for a couple of hours (maximum of 4) due to the high volume of people wanting to try them.
#26 Tue, 07/09/2013 - 9:05am
Aukina3,
Is all this information on a website that can be referred to ?
aloha,
pog
#27 Tue, 07/09/2013 - 11:30am
It would be nice if a dedicated website was available to document the specifications, construction etc of this new boat. Seems strange to supply this kind of info on this platform.
Quite surprised about the absence of feedback (positive or negative) from people who have demoed the boat. But it appears consistent with the absence of feedback on the Storm and Pueo II. Perhaps this is the sign of the times.
#28 Tue, 07/09/2013 - 5:49pm
So how does one demo the Ehukai on Maui?
#29 Tue, 07/09/2013 - 9:41pm
Book a flight to either Oahu or the Big Island
#30 Wed, 07/10/2013 - 5:27am
195? Someone's being a little modest
#31 Wed, 07/10/2013 - 4:12pm
You'd have to ask ozone about the website. I'm just getting all my info from johnny and trying to answer most of your questions. So far the feedback has been good from those who have demoed it. Meaning they ordered a boat!
#32 Wed, 07/10/2013 - 4:25pm
spear boy : Weighed myself this morning 195 on the dot.
#33 Wed, 07/10/2013 - 4:32pm
Aukina3,
Couple questions please since you seem to be an errand boy here ...
Who IS "Ozone" ? and how do I ask a pose a question to him / it ?
Are you a representative of Ehukai or ???
If not, could you speculate why JP has not logged on and answered questions direct ?
Aren't you a team rider for Kamanu or worked there or something ?
It seems weird you are now talking up these new designs on this forum so just wondering whats up ... Please enlighten those of us out of the loop as to your current postion.
aloha,
pog
#34 Wed, 07/10/2013 - 8:50pm
I was a team rider for Kamanu and worked there for a brief stint, But when JP and Kamanu went they're separate ways, myself and Danny Ching went with JP. JP over the years has invested his time in us as paddlers writing us training programs and working day and night on our technique (which I know for me still needs work). That was the big deciding factor for us, because we felt we wouldn't be the same paddlers we are today without his coaching, escorting, help, etc. We wish Kamanu all the best! Johnny is busy working with tiger on an open class six man in which they are molding (Makika design which handles in the big ocean) and was raced by shell, and Pflueger Honda in Olamau 2013, so he hasn't had time to log on and chat. Myself and Danny are the two reps as well as Johnny (OF COURSE). (Danny handling Calif., and myself Hawaii). As for other places around the world it is yet TBD by JP and Giblin. OZONE is a factory in China that Mike Giblin runs using state of the art technology and materials to build amazing equipment at a price that we can afford. Ozone builds the storm, hurricane, scorpius (xm, xs), tempest, and soon two open class six man's. One for flat water (Designed by JP in California) and one for rough water (Designed by Giblin & used in olamau 2012 by Hawaiian canoe Club). These boats (Molded) will also be prepreg so i'm told and put into a 50ft. autoclave. I'm sure as more people try the canoe you might get more feedback. In fact Healthyearth just tried it today so i'm sure something will be posted soon.
#35 Thu, 07/11/2013 - 10:04am
Unlike the story Aukina3 told about the scale having a dot on the 195lb mark and the scale stopping on that mark while he was on it; it is true I took the Ehukai out this morning. The truly remarkable aspect of that story is that you were able to read the "195" as the scale wheel was still moving.
I think the Ehukai is what people anticipated what the new Hurricane (Storm) would have been like. When sitting on the canoe and looking at the nose you don't think Pueo, you think it's a slightly bigger Hurricane. This canoe is the Hurricane that can surf and quarter waves. It's more agile than the Pueo 1, and the rudder holds the line when quartering as good as any one man I've been on (It's agility in the waves reminded me of XM, not sure it's better but it's that good). The rudder never came out of the water once which happen to me a lot on the ext footwell Pueo 1. Since the rudder didn't come out the water I was able to sit higher on the wave longer to see the surf open up, thus I was able to make better decisions which route I wanted to take. The canoe felt like it had a better glide better slower speeds but I don't think at the higher speeds going down a big bomber it would glide as well as Pueo (from what I was ablt to tell today it didn't seem to). The canoe easily jumps over small waves and it drops down waves as well as a surf ski doesn. This cane doesn't slow down as much as the Pueo 1 does when you need to make sharp correction. Get used to the nose being burried (I'm 6'1" 185, not being modest nor can I speed read numbers as they flash by to higher numbers) if your are shorter and heavier than me you'll def think you will take issue with it. I don't mind the front being burried but some people make a big deal out of it. TO me as long as you still maintain control and placement then who cares. The shield over the footwell works well, but when it doesn't the footwell really fills up deep and takes while to drain. The drain system is on par with other one man's, no where near the new surf ski's though. The shield will help out, though I think it should have tiny splash guard on it to deflect the water to the side.
So for a person my size the Ehukai is better the the Pueo 1 ext footwell (old Ama). I haven't been on the new Pueo or used the new Ama in the surf.
JP- was hungry when he designed this canoe, because it is a well thought out canoe. It will show when next year's one man season comes around. The Pueo/Scorpius reign will effectively diluted not that Ehukai is around.
That's good for everyone.
I"m not a member of Outrigger (nor do I have an application in to join) nor do I know JP (nor do I have a FB friend request sent to him waiting in the wings).
Oh the AMA. It releases as well as the Scorpius.
#36 Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:15pm
Thanks for the info healthyearth. Interesting comment about the Hurricane. That side view photo looks like there are some very Hurricane-like elements there. Do you sit more 'on' the canoe like a Hurricane rather than 'in' it like most other boats?
Just to be devil's advocate, can someone maybe offer a comparison between the Ehukai and the Pueo 2? Not really fair to compare the Pueo 1 to the new hull. That's like comparing the Pueo 1 to the Kainalu, or the XS to the Pegasus. JP is really pushing the envelope but he's not alone in trying to innovate. It will be interesting to see what Kai Wa'a comes out with next too.
#37 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 7:20am
Interesting, when the Storm came out the majority comments were focused on style of construction. Everyone was concerned about it being China built, and how could it be strong and durable at that light of a weight. Countless people doubting the ability of the boat and such. Now the Ehukai comes out, and it is being built in the same manner, pre-plugging, and know bats an eye. Everyone is interested in the boat it's self, as they should be, and not stressed about the manner it was built. It goes to show its never easy to forge a new path and change the idea of what is normal to us. The Storm set the new standard for normal. I am 100% certain that the Ehukai is going to be an amazing boat, just like the Pueo2, the XM, the Storm and the rest. T
#38 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 7:57am
CWO- you sit in it like a Pueo, not like a Hurricane.
True not a completely fair comparison. I just wanted to give people an idea of it's performance.
#39 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 7:59am
For sure healthyearth, your review is very much appreciated! And you're right that many people will have ridden a Pueo so your comparison is valuable. I just wanted to point out we're into a new generation of boats now....Storm, Pueo 2, Ehukai, footwell forward Scorp. Heck, even the Hurricane got a reboot.
#40 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 8:23am
@ CWO: Why wouldn't you compare something to the Pueo one hull?? It's what most people have. So therefore it's what people can relate to. You always want to know if its better or not. I'm sure the kamanu boys compared the gen 2 Pueo to the original. In fact I think (correct me if I'm wrong Keizo) the kainalu hull is quite (very) similar to the Pueo hull. For some it depends on how well the boat does in races. But for most it's how the boat does when they paddle with they're group of guys. Everyone knows each others speed. When the Pueo came out a large number of sales occurred because people started beating guys in they're group that they don't normally beat. If the ehukai or gen 2 Pueo or new kai wa'a boat do the same then I'm sure they will sell well. All you can do is try and see what works for you.
#41 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 9:14am
Aukina, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to knock the Ehukai in any way. And I DID admit the comparison was valuable as many paddlers will have experience on a Pueo.
What I am trying to get at is, while the comparison to the Pueo 1 is valuable as a measure of how the Ehukai performs, it is not an accurate measure of what is available on the market for the oc1 buyer. As in, if you order a Pueo today, you won't get the Pueo 1. I'm not trying to knock you either, but you're clearly trying to sell Ehukais, so if you're comparing the Ehukai to one of its competitors in the context of selling a canoe, comparing to a Pueo 1 isn't accurate.
I know the Pueo/Ehukai thing has all kinds of background issues and I am not trying to stir up any crap. But I don't see Kai/Keizo/Giblin on here trying to pump up their canoes either. Just sayin: fair's fair.
#42 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 9:44am
Is this a paddling forum?? People want info and feedback. Thats all we're trying to provide. You don't have to read if you don't want to. There was so much talk about the ehukai being a direct copy of the pueo (i think the people that said that feel like idiots now), threatening of lawsuits, etc. (based on "PICTURE's" people saw of the design). All i'm doing is putting the correct info out there. If you don't like it then don't read it. Why do guys gotta make things so negative. All we're trying to do is get info out there, get feedback, etc. Not listen to people complain/cry about "fair is fair"!!!
#43 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:10am
Also just because a new design came out doesn't mean its faster whether its the ehukai, pueo2, or new kai wa'a boat. It has to be proven against the best (old pueo, old scorpius (xs,xm), or whatever other boat you deem as the best boat. Just because there's something new doesn't mean its better it could be a piece of shit. that's why you compare especially to canoes that hold records(scorpius (xm), and pueo Gen 1)/or make you start beating guys in your group that you never beat.
#44 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:15am
CWO- i've seem many other post that started off like Aukina3's did. Dolan said Check out new xs or xm or buy one and get ipod, I've seen other say we have the new da kine in come try it out. It's been done many times over and this is the right place to announce demo's and who to contact. His post started out like many others do, a rep saying come check it out. This particular post took off cause everyone is curious and believes that JP has a good "eye for design"..... for a straight guy.
I do think Aukina3 has a little too much fire in his belly today. We all amigos here.
Please check it out though cause I would like to hear how others analyze it vs my analysis.
#45 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:26am
Hey man, not trying to be negative or anything like that. I'm sure the Ehukai is a sweet boat and I have nothing but respect for the work JP has done to innovate and push canoe design forward. But I got no horse in this race. I ride an old ass Hurricane, and nobody will confuse me for a top paddler. I said nothing about any Pueo copy. I'm aware there's background noise about that, but it's not a point I am making.
I also know the comparison was just trying to be helpful. SO thanks to the people who offered their input and comparisons. That was really good info to get. My main point (again) is that there is a whole new generation of boats, and that the BEST comparisons should be made amongst that new generation. I would expect a new generation canoe like the Ehukai to outperform its predeccessors. What I DON'T know is how the current gen stacks up against each other. That's it man. If it makes you feel better, me and some buddies are trying to set up a demo.
#46 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:35am
Regarding this thread in the forum,
1) From the beginning, I have noticed a higher level of criticism and attacks around a this new canoe design than I have seen when previous designs or ventures have started.
2) Some of it might have to do with lack of information, but some of it is nasty, some is on the surface, some read between the lines
3) Johnny Puakea, Jimmy Austin, and Danny Ching are akamai, cool guys. I really don’t understand it.
4) Johnny Puakea has a Facebook page, you can contact him if you have any questions.
5) The new canoe hype is always humorous to me. Most of the guys on OCpaddler who give reviews are nice and filter a little what they really think. I don’t think I have ever read someone’s review where they said a canoe sucks.
6) We are a small community and in these cases you can see the “I support my Boys” attitude. “I support the Kai Waa Boys”, “I support the Kamanu boys, and now the Ozone “Boys”
7) Healthy Earth-Any more comments about Team Kanaka Ikaika?
8) It is a forum got to have a sense of humor here too. Roll with the punches.
9) Hard to communicate in a forum. Jimmy I suggest a video showing all of the features of the new canoe and it moving in the water. I sure it is in the works.
10) We do take buying a new canoe seriously though, since many of us really only have money to buy a canoe once every 6 to 8 years.
#47 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:38am
sorry there's just some haters out there and some people who have gotten JP really bummed about some of the crap they were saying/trying to do based on a "PHOTO" they saw. trying to get passed it all. side note, I'm still not sure that all the new canoes are better than the old canoes therefore you still need to test against the canoes that are proven.
#48 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:40am
Well said Kona J. Video is in the works but takes time. So many people borrowing the boat. I don't have much time to use it myself. Will post when its done. Not everyone has FB but for those that do JP has a page "Puakea Designs" you can click like and if you have any questions that you want answered from him you can message him! All positive from here on!!!
#49 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:45am
Kona J- Then you haven't read what I said about tempest manufactuing or Storm or light weight canoes designed like bradleys or mirages.
I did not do well when paddling the Storm as i've done on XM or Pueo. The steering on the storm for me was junk.
#50 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:51am
I would love to see a race where we put all the top 20 paddlers in Hawaii on a John Martin Nai'a
Then we know who is the best. ;)
#51 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:58am
I'd buy a ticket to see that.
I've heard it a thousand times, it's not the chariot, it's the horse.
#52 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:11pm
only thing that has to happen to prove the horse chariot theory is have Danny win another solo by 4 seconds.
Go Danny!!!
also out of complete curiosity, how much water collects in a iako sleeve, 3-4oz total front and rear? it must be quite a bit for Kai Wa'a to first address the issue and now have the Pueo2 and Ehukai follow suit. why not plug the ends of the iako instead? just wondering out loud here.
#53 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 7:03pm
I think the water sealed Iako is a Ozone thing, all the Hurricanes were sealed jc.
#54 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 9:26pm
O.K. Thanks for all the information everyone,
(IMO ) ... I think the Ehukai powers that be should reign in their boy here ... It believe most people who cruise the internet know and understand that its gauche for a manufacture to directly market their product on a discussion forum.
Beeg difference between win an Ipod and .....
At this point, this thread contains a set of photos a new model put up by a representative, 'commercial' type responses and contact suggestions of the company along with (arguably ) antagonistic rhetoric by said former teammate / employee of a competitor. This is not only bad press for JP Designs / Ehukai but ( again, IMO ) is directly disrespectful to the former company / team of above representative. The guys who HOST this great website.
Set up a REAL website to refer to and let people ( those that do not do Facebook ) go from there. Jump in on every thread you want, but refer over to website .... IMO, this is pono way.
most sincerely,
pog
#55 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 9:56pm
Its stronger and easier to run it all the way across IMO. Seal the iako end but let the mounting point run all the way across deck. Wider spread of loads + WAY easier to repair BTW.
aloha,
pog
#56 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 9:44pm
The reason aluminum Iako aren't sealed on each end is so they can be rinsed properly after use. Not that people do clean them. The anodizing is breached when we insert the clips and this is the future point of failure if they are not cleaned properly. As for running the iako full length of the sleeve, optimal but not imperative if the sleeve is substantial and installed properly. At least 50% is needed for decent load dispersment.
Tiger.
#57 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:02pm
cool, thanks for the info. rinsing iako...there's something i need to try!!
#58 Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:16pm
Onno : When I first posted this I contacted Keizo to see if he was ok with me putting this on his site. I offered to Delete this post, but he said not to because he didn't want this to be a site focused on his company but a site for all paddlers, boat builders, etc. IMO that was the PONO thing to do!
#59 Sat, 07/13/2013 - 9:26am
This is the best action weve had on OCP in a long time! Some really good info on the new Ehukai here and with the new Pueo out as well as the ever competetive xm and whatever Kai is working on(he IS working on something) it just helps keep people excited and hungry to keep pushing. Some added drama is always icing on the cake!
#60 Sat, 07/13/2013 - 11:16am
Shoots, I can't think of anything else Keizo would say.
#61 Sat, 07/13/2013 - 11:34am
I may be wrong here, but after the first post, hasn't Aukina only been answering people's questions? I agree that a web page to find all the information would be helpful. I started to think, isn't this kind of discussion what OCPaddler is for? Now, I do understand the fact that OCpaddler is the result of Kamanu Composites employees/owners hard work and dedication to the paddling. Thank you for that. I also understand there is a controversy between Kamanu and Puakea. But I personally not only don't anything wrong with this thread.
Now my question, Is there not a thread like this about the Pueo II because Kamanu doesn't want to seem like they are advertising? I hope not. Personally I've been looking for one just like this for the Pueo II. For that matter the Pueo I.
#62 Sat, 07/13/2013 - 1:25pm
H.E. it takes awhile to get used to the steering nuances of the Storm. I've had mine for about two months now and while my paddling hasn't been exactly "consistent," it did take me a bit of time to figure out the particular characteristics and I really like it now.
How different did the Ehukai steering feel from the steering of the Storm?
#63 Sat, 07/13/2013 - 6:43pm
Keizo gave his blessing on the posts regarding ehukai and even then onnopaddle gotta make a comment like what else Keizo would say. Keizo's site basically, so if he's cool with what jimmy posts then stfu, oh yeah, IMHO not your business or anybody else's to speculate on what's going on between kamanucomposits and Johnny. Most of the "regulars" who post on here are frickin idiots. Take notice and you realize the same people are the ones commenting and every so often others will post a comment regarding some of these idiots. Presently, I paddle a first gen pueo, waiting on my 2nd gen ama, will demo ehukai when possible and decide whether to order 2nd gen pueo/ama or ehukai. Love the pueo and service I got from kamanucomposits from day one, also kinda know Jp cuz he coached a crew I was in long time ago. Whatever happened between them is their business, I jus like buy the best boat for me and hope the best for both.
#64 Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:42am
Don't even know why i'm responding @ this point but what the hell ...
Based on Aukinas statement above, The post was already up on the site and THEN permisson as asked. Hence my statement / speculation.
This is like screwing your friends ex. GF a couple days after he breaks up with her and then asking its its o.k. with him.
Keizo is a gentleman.
aloha,
pog
#65 Sun, 07/14/2013 - 2:14am
They now get anodized aluminum tubes in Hawaii? I know before had, but then no more. Who supplying them now?
I tell you, it's no fun when the rear iako broke out in the ocean. I using non-anodize kind now and rinse the inside real well after use, then I shoot Endust inside the tube (the same stuff L'l Giant Ladders recommend) for preserve.
#66 Sun, 07/14/2013 - 4:08am
Wow onno: so much hatred/animosity toward myself/jp. Talk about lack of being pono. BTW Keizo has the power to delete this whole thing if he sees fit (and has had my permission to do so since the beginning). It got ugly because of all the attacks against me and jp. Just thought the TRUTH should be known. Moving on Lets get back to talking about the canoe (what this post was all about). Anyone else have any questions. Hope you all have a wonderful day including onno :)
#67 Sun, 07/14/2013 - 9:33am
I have a gen2 pueo. Ive always paddled kai waa. Im not 100% that ill stay with the pueo2 but ill give it an honest attempt so that means several months on it. So far, ive never imagined that boats could be so different. Some things better, some things not. But the boat surfs regular surfing waves......almost as good as my xm and thats saying a lot because my xm is like a surfboard with an ama. Mentally I dont like seeing the front of the ama so near the water but Id say it feels almost as light as my kai waa ama and my iakos for that boat are extremely short and bent to be super light to begin with so id say im all good with the ama. I dont think ive ever spun out due to the ama either. Im still getting used to it but the glide and ease of moving from one bump to another is amazing. I cannot do it 100% of the time but when I can, I prefer to keep as much of my money in hawaii as possible so that is another factor for me at this point. I know the quality of the ozone boats is outstanding - ive owned one- but its still outsourcing no matter how you put it.
I think its an exciting time to be shopping for a 1man. There are more choices than ever and between kai waa boats, kamanu, and the ehukai - and I think it will really come down to who puts in the time on the best boat for them.
#68 Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:31am
I was paddling one vantage and always finished downwind with a big smile.And i tried one extended pueo,and had a big smile,but i felt that it was too easy,neva need paddle hard,that thing just catch bumps by itself feel like.then i paddle one extended xm,i still get one big smile,i really like that one.and my friend get one regular pueo,he allways smiling.now he get da new kine pueo,you should see his smile.I like try one ehukai,i bet you i stay smiling too.
#69 Mon, 07/15/2013 - 12:22pm
Kava, try measure how wide the smile is. Which one is the widest? Vantage, Pueo, Pueo II, XM or Ehukai?
#70 Mon, 07/15/2013 - 12:31pm