New Hope OC1 Paddling Ministry

One of my personal favorites. Now, not only can I get links (that work) to all of my favorite paddler information, I can also stay firmly rooted in the word from the rest of the site. Awesome Job, I'm looking forward to seeing what's coming next!!!!!!!!!!

#1 Sun, 03/05/2006 - 5:15pm

kinda reminds me exactly of the article luke and keizo wrote same subjects to.

#2 Sun, 03/05/2006 - 10:21pm

Definately a refreshing vision for a padlding site. New Hope and their paddlers are an amazing bunch of people and always a welcome sight at any race. God Bless and keep spreading the word!

#3 Fri, 03/17/2006 - 5:21pm

Just wanted to thank the OC1 paddling community at New Hope for making a difference in my paddling, my life, and most importantly in my faith!

#4 Tue, 04/04/2006 - 3:51pm

Your site is trully a blessing to the entire paddling community!

#5 Tue, 04/04/2006 - 4:12pm

New training techniques added and more on the way. If there is anything the community would like to see on the site, let us know!

#6 Sat, 04/22/2006 - 6:24pm

i really hate to say this but i don't think it's right to be running the new hope site off of this site. i think it is an awesome site that you guys are trying to build but asking the community to reply to your site off this site i think is just wrong. Keizo worked hard to build the site to what it is now, and trying to divert people to your site isn't that right. This is just my veiw though i really do not want ot offend anyone though just stating my opinion.

#7 Sat, 04/22/2006 - 11:48pm

hapakid, I'm glad you posted your opinion -- all of the opinions are what make most of the interesting things on this forum so keep doing it. That said, there are obviously many who appreciate Dobias' link (see above comments) and it's not something I would ever remove. I'm generally against deleting anything, ever. I've been asked to change comments (unrelated to this post) on this forum before and I won't do it unless it's clearly spam or just belongs somewhere else on the site.

Diverting people off ocpaddler is ok as long as it's on topic. In a way, it's what ocpaddler is for, to share paddling with others. And to be fair, they do provide a link back here which is always a good thing.

#8 Sun, 04/23/2006 - 7:12am

On a semi-related note, my church here on So CA has a service on Saturday evenings that might be of interested to many paddlers due to it's Hawaiian flavor.

http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/home/todaystory.asp?id=5700
Scroll down for Ohana

Skipper Rich
www.uscgaux-danapoint.org

#9 Wed, 04/26/2006 - 8:35am

While I can see hapikid's side of the discussion, I just wanted to say thank you to keizo for allowing this thread to continue. New Hope's site allows me to share my faith and get the best training available in the community. At the same time I don't think that it takes away anything from OC paddler. This is a well established site and well known accross the globe for its content and information. I see it like this. Both sites are part of the bigger OC community. We all have to work together to connect and grow this sport and share links etc....because each site in its own right is unique and gives something different to each paddler that comes there. This is the BEST sport on the planet and together we can make it even better!

So I say Mahalo to both New Hope and OC paddler!!!!!!

#10 Fri, 04/28/2006 - 4:27pm

nice try, hapakid, but I'm afraid you're wasting your breath. These people have their own agenda and could care less for what's best for outrigging. Remember, this is the same god that told the missionaries in the 1800s to enslave the Hawaiian people, destroy their culture, steal their land and ban canoe racing for over 40 years.

#11 Sat, 04/29/2006 - 11:18am

I also have some serious concerns about this site and its use of this forum for advertising. Everyone is free to chose a religion or not as they see fit. However, using the sport as a cover for religious propaganda is overstepping the mark. I feel strongly that the sport should be above any manipulation such as this, especially considering there are many paddlers of different faiths. We have laws to keep Church and State separate, the same principle should be applied here.

#12 Tue, 05/02/2006 - 6:10pm

i'm not christian, but to each their own. who cares. if keizo don't mind, nuff said- don't go to their site, or read their posts.. there's plenty of other things to do

#13 Tue, 05/02/2006 - 9:16pm

I do not think that New Hope is using the sport as a cover for religious propaganda-- i do have mixed feelings (actually not so mixed...) about the use of this forum to promote a religious website-- and i do have strong feelings about keeping religion seperate from paddling events (i support having a pule before a race, but one without a specific religious bias)--- BUT... I think that New Hope is doing a good thing by promoting paddling to its congregation. Paddling is a spiritual experience for a lot of people, and if it can help to strengthen their faith-- then that's great. In the end it just means that there are more people paddling-- and the more people that paddle the better. So... yes I think we should keep religion very seperate from paddling events, but, New Hope, as a club, should be able to link religion and paddling in any way that they want too, as long as it does not affect races or the sport as a whole.
(reading this over i don't think that i really said anything that wasn't already said before---- i tend to post nonsense when i'm trying to procastinate..)

#14 Tue, 05/02/2006 - 9:41pm

Jesus is coming....hide your porn!

#15 Wed, 05/03/2006 - 12:15am

There's a big difference between letting folks know there's a resource out there for those that are interested, and proselytizing people to a specific faith by spewing forth with their particular religious beliefs in a forum like this.

Not interested? Don't click. It's as simple as that. No need to be offended.

Skipper Rich
www.uscgaux-danapoint.org

#16 Fri, 05/05/2006 - 4:53am

I agree with dacho, if you don't want to see it, don't open the site. I think you are twisting around the whole idea of what New Hope is doing Rhomboso. They are not trying advertise their religion. This is a church that has a paddling group, that if you want, you can check out their site. That's all it is. I have been paddling for (30 years plus) along with my family (grandfather) original Waikiki Beach Boy(s) and never, never felt this way about any church group of faith that was involved in paddling.

It is not a crime (Federal or Local), to have your church involved in paddling or use this site to inform other paddlers of their paddling group. I will always use OCPaddler.com as first site that I would retrieve information on paddling. But it is good to have people like you, to inform us that we still have more additions to the paddling politicians (paddling politics) to my native sport. Rhomboso, as my grandmother use to tell us, "Think before you speak", And as for (Capnron) give me a break. I guest some people don't know the true understanding of what paddling is all about. As for me, its my heritage, soul finding, the feeling of togetherness, sharing aloha with my fellow paddlers during regatta and long distance races etc., not cussing out a church for advertising their paddling site. I guest the paddling politics continues, so sad.

P.S.

For your information, I don't belong to New Hope church or any other church.

#17 Fri, 05/05/2006 - 10:24am

Has anyone actually gone to this site? I've been there. It is nothing but incredible conditioning tips, great advice and coaching tips. I don't know where you all got the idea that they were trying to promote Christianity. We are lucky to have information like this. Who give tips on reading the bumps, breakdown of the stroke, shoulder injuries...etc. The info I recieved alone on hydration and food has made such a difference in my performance. Thaks Keizo for linking us up with some more great info! You're the best!

#18 Fri, 05/05/2006 - 12:36pm

Alright, i thought that maybe everybody had spoken too soon.. so i went to the site and the first thing that i saw-- in the same place that Ocpaddler.com has "the premier website for outrigger canoe paddlers"-- the lighthouse site says "Use your whole body as a tool, to do what is right for the Glory of God." And that is on the paddling section... then i clicked home, and saw the headline "Spreading the light of Christ unto the world," then i clicked on the eight other pages of the website and saw that every single one was religiously oriented, except for the paddling training tips (which i have to say are good and well written). I do not think that the argument is about whether the site is a religious website, because it, without a doubt, is. And i am not meaning in any way to put down Christianity or New Hope with this post------

#19 Sun, 05/07/2006 - 9:29pm

Although I don't preach Chistianity. I did receive information of this particular site from (Y2KANU). Freedom of speech people. This is a form site. Put your inputs in, but don't be "hipo" also by preaching about how other groups is promoting their paddling events or events. That's going off the subject about paddling. It's like saying, "There's no room for you to advise other paddlers about our Christian Paddling Group or Paddling Ministry.

P.S. No one told you to open the site yah.....

#20 Sun, 05/07/2006 - 9:56pm

All i was saying was that the website is a religious website... the post before mines said that it was not promoting religion. That's all...

Is hipo the same thing as hupo? If so... then i don't think that anyones being "dumb" for posting their opinions.....

But yeah you're right... we're getting off topic from paddling-- but that's the only time this forum gets fun :) ha, nah...

#21 Sun, 05/07/2006 - 10:26pm

I have to agree totally with luke. Paddlingfreak you say where we got the idea that these sites promote chritianity? Gee i wonder those titles seem pretty religous to me.

#22 Mon, 05/08/2006 - 1:54am

Regardless to what all of your opinions are, the site has solid information. So what if there are other areas on the site that are related to Christianity. I'm just glad that there is a site that can really help my paddling. You all need to relax already.

#23 Mon, 05/08/2006 - 4:09am

The original question that was posed was whether Keizo cared that another paddling site was using OCPaddler to promote itself. Keizo clearly has no objections, so let that be that.

On a personal note, I do find it amusingly ironic (or maybe gruesomely ironic - I can't decide) that the very culture that early christian missionaries tried to eradicate is now being used to recruit new christians. Truth really is stranger than fiction.

#24 Mon, 05/08/2006 - 5:50am

I would like to continue on this subject. First to (Luke) "Hipo" simply stands for hypocrites. Meaning that when we pule, or lower our heads for prayer before races (Molokai Hoe) (Regattas) (One Man), I don't see anybody, and you know who I'm talking about, protest about keeping Christianity and paddling seperated. I dare to see any of you interupt a prayer prior to the event. But oh, New Hope informs us of their paddling site, and boom !!!, the hypocrites show up. We all should be happy for these people for having a paddling ministry, that as the sport grows, may we have more paddling groups sharing their knowleged and experience of paddling with the rest of us. And again to (LUKE) brah, I never called anyone dumb, so I'm sorry if you might feel "dumb" well.... Nah.

Aloha

WD

#25 Mon, 05/08/2006 - 11:07pm

so now, Whats Dis, you're saying that it IS a Christian site and that anyone who disagrees with paddling and Christianity being linked is a hypocrite? By the way, this is a world forum - here in Australia we don't pule before races. Why do you? You are not allowed to pray in schools because it violates peoples' civil rights, why is it okay at outrigger races? Maybe to keep with the tradition of the sport, we should bring back the old prayers to Kanaloa, Kane, Lono and Ku.

The site is not that good anyway. There is far better training and nutrition info for paddlers on the websites for the Hong Kong Paddle Club, Y2Kanu and the Canadian Community Dragon Boat Association. There are far more and better OC1 technique and water savvy tips on Jude Turczynski's site and in the article by Luke Evslin here on OCPaddler. Who is the author of this site? And why have no comments been posted to any topic? Isn't anyone allowed to comment?

There is nothing in this thread that relates to paddling but these constant non-posts have kept the No Hope Paddling Ministry advertising on the front page of OCPaddler for over 2 months now. Soon we'll have every special interest group using these tactics and there will be no more paddling info on OCPaddler. And, I'm sorry Skipper Rich, constant advertisement is a form of proselytising.

It's great that you have paddling in your church. Now please get your church out of paddling.

Keizo, mate, maybe it's time to kill this spam.

#26 Tue, 05/09/2006 - 1:25am

Sorry to (What's Dis) that i didn't catch that "Hipo" simply stands for hypocrite. It's not everyday that i'm called a hypocrite, so i'm not really down with the lingo.

I promised myself that i wasn't going to post on this thread again--- but i'm sitting here kind of wondering how i, or anybody on here, is a hypocrite... Could you explain that one more time?

So to (What's Dis), are you saying that, if we feel uncomfortable when we end a pule with "In the name of Jesus Christ... Amen"-- that we should use that moment to speak up about it.. instead of on a public forum? Ohh okay, i didn't really know that being respectful at a race made me a "hipo." Damnit, i hate it when i'm a hypocrite.

To anyone reading this from New Hope--- I really hope you guys keep paddling, keep recruiting people into the sport, keep putting paddling advice on your website -- just be prepared to take a little criticism for it when advertising on any public forum. (Anyone remember the guy from Tahiti who advertised his blog and his paddles... i think he took a lot more heat for that).

#27 Tue, 05/09/2006 - 6:46am

Actually Capnron, freedom of religion is the civil right here, not freedom FROM religion.

What you are refering to is separation of church and state. Since this is forum is neither, that doesn't apply in any case. It's up to Keizo what is appropriate and what is not.

Skipper Rich
www.uscgaux-danapoint.org

#28 Tue, 05/09/2006 - 7:56am

Being respectful at pules isn't "Hipo". why is it "hipo" anyway, why not "hypo". I looked at the website then looked at Luke and Keizo's article and I must say New hope looks like they copied someones format.

#29 Tue, 05/09/2006 - 8:40am

I agree with Capnron that everytime this thread got close to the bottom of the page, someone found a way to comment and bring it back to the top. Can we let it die already.

No Hope folk - thanks for supporting paddling. Religion, like politics should be addressed discreetly, so don't be surprised if people take offense at your message. For some, it's no different than if I ran an AMWAY/Paddling site. There's something unnerving about that to some folks. Let's reserve OCPaddler for paddling without religion for those that don't appreciate it. For those that do, there's No Hope's website.

#30 Tue, 05/09/2006 - 9:04am

No offense taken, I just still can't believe that people has to take offense to a paddling site that may have scriptures from the bible. Good thing we don't live in Iraq. Could be killed for preaching the word of god in a wed site. I know, been deployed in Iraq. Hey New Hope Church, don't mind the simple minded people (sdc2447) regarding the non-constructive statements (no hope etc.). Hey brah, no like da site, then don't open it. Simple as that.... You give...

Aloha

WD

#31 Tue, 05/09/2006 - 11:55am

you still don't get it, do you?

we're not taking offense at a paddling site that has scriptures. we're taking offense at this site constantly advertising on the front page of OCPaddler knocking off threads that actually have something to do with paddling. do the words "IN YOUR FACE" have any meaning to you?

congrats on being in Iraq. I did 3 tours in the Persian Gulf myself.

(Skipper Rich: with all due respect, sir, please notice words "preaching the word of god" in previous post. Proselytising?)

#32 Tue, 05/09/2006 - 4:42pm

Whats dis -
The No Hope/New Hope was an honest mistake. I didn't mean to be disrespectful and if you read the post, you would have gotten that from the context. If you truly want to know why I could never be a member of your faith, please note that you're the only person in this thread to resort to name-calling. When I was young, my parents took me to church and the christians there expressed their faith through their character - fine people. Sadly, people like you have hijacked that faith and now pseudo-christians such as yourself feel the need to sell the religion like used car salesmen. Attacks, name-calling and subtle trickery are common tactics. Your church may be proud, but your god is ashamed.

#33 Tue, 05/09/2006 - 5:16pm

Okay. This thread is closed. I'm sure I'll be cutting some of you off and I'm sorry for that. The fact is that I've found overwhelming evidence some have created multiple accounts for this thread. I consider that spam. Done deal. If you truly wish to discuss whether or not a pule should be done before a race start a new thread.

#34 Tue, 05/09/2006 - 5:40pm