Does anyone know what going on over in china with the maufacturing of these 2 boats ? A whole group of us placed orders for them and they have failed to show up and it sounds like they are having problems in the factory . Orders were placed at the beginning of this yr and were supposed to be here by july,then august and now who knows when .......and there is no date given . Its kind of disappointing when you dropped your deposit down and now this .
Anyone else waiting as well ? and what have you heard ?
Submitted by OCsprinter on Sat, 10/21/2006 - 9:34am
i'm getting one of the pegasus's and i heard last week that they're working on our batch now...and their looking to ship end of this month...so we'll see what happens
#1 Sat, 10/21/2006 - 10:20am
Yeah tell me about it. I put my order in in May. Still no news. Heard a batch was leaving this month. It's taking a long while because Mike Giblin had to completely retool , build new molds etc when things went sour with the original builder. So currently it's taking longer to build the volume of boats because production output is not as big. I heard the quality of the boats is much better so the seams are reinforced and the boat should be more durable. Unfortunately for me I got tired of waiting and ordered something else. Those people with the patience to still wait who like the Hurricanes and Pegasus should be happy when they get their boats in the next few months hopefully. At this point ordering any other boat direct from the builders (I mean original builders here not Hypr) will take a few months of back order anyway.
Hope it all works out for everyone with current orders.
#2 Sat, 10/21/2006 - 1:18pm
I put my order in for a Pegasus LAST NOVEMBER! And i just picked up the canoe this Wednesday. Patience, Patience...11 months is hard to swallow, especially if the Manufacturer and Reps are saying 3 months maybe 4 tops... Just another case of over promise, under deliver.
#3 Sat, 10/21/2006 - 6:59pm
Hey novice C,
From whom did you order your pegasus? Kai?
Thanks
#4 Sat, 10/21/2006 - 8:51pm
Better yet, Hey Novice C what is the quality of your Pegasus from China like? Any issues with the construction or gel coat on delivery?
Mahalos
#5 Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:03pm
Gweilojoe
We have had them here in Hong Kong for a few 3 or 4 months.(It pays to be close to the source). The Pegasus looks good. New Hurricane looks even better. I have a 2 year old Cane and the new one is noticably lighter. (Supposed to be 1.5 KG lighter) You can't beat the overall finish of the Hurricane. I just got a new Pahoa from Hypr. Seamless paint job. Looks very cool. Haven't put many hours on it but so far pretty happy with it!
#6 Wed, 10/25/2006 - 1:36am
The Pegasus only looks good ?.....what did you see that made the hurricane look better ? Anythings you did not like about the chinese built Pegasus ?
#7 Wed, 10/25/2006 - 4:19am
in response to the Gelcoat on the pegasus . I understand its not sprayed in gelcoat now but automotive paint like the hurricane .Means easy to have your local bodyshop or painter friend spray some cool fade colours on it
#8 Wed, 10/25/2006 - 5:16am
Can someone clarify this. I know the gelcoat is for protection, but doesn't gelcoat also have a structual function? Just wondering cause if its being painted now wouldn't that make the boat weaker? I thought I read that somewhere.
#9 Wed, 10/25/2006 - 12:59pm
Gweilojoe,
How far from Hong Kong are the factories that build these canoes?
Also is there a place in Hong Kong where you can buy them? How did you get yours so quick?
Cheers,
Coc0nut
#10 Wed, 10/25/2006 - 3:58pm
Gel coat has no structural properties. Gel coat is pretty much there because it has UV inhibitors so it protects the epoxy. Epoxy get "eatin up" by the sun.
#11 Wed, 10/25/2006 - 6:53pm
There seems to be lots of questions on quality of the canoes now being produced in China. They are nearly identical in quality as canoes manufactured here, however I will say that MY canoe is not Perfect. I am working with the rep and Kai to amend the problem, which is minor and should be a quick fix. I am NOT going to get into detail on the issue until the rep and Kai have a chance to assess it. Enough said (for now).
Overall I am pleased with the canoe. The layup is light, stiff and has no visible blemishes; And although the paint is not as shiny and glossy as a gel coat, it works...
By the way, I also have a China made canoe from Outrigger Connection which has had no problems and is identical, minus a decal or two, to the canoes built in Hawaii.
#12 Thu, 10/26/2006 - 5:32pm
My understanding is the China made OC boats (Fuze, Fusion etc.) are from a different factory than the Pegasus and Huricanes and are made to the exact manufacturing processes/standards as those used by Karel's shop in Hawaii. Karel has been to China 5-6 times this year to check on the build quality/process to ensure boat quality which is why those boats are solid.
#13 Fri, 10/27/2006 - 6:57am
I know alot of people are choked by the wait - I am wondering from all the people who ordered long ago has the price remained the same or did you have to pay more once you recieved your canoe .Or did you recieve a discount for waiting so long ?
#14 Fri, 10/27/2006 - 12:40pm
Discount? No way.
They have everyone by the balls. Waiting was inevitable so the question for me was who would I rather wait on?
I ended up getting The Fuze from Karel because ultimately he was a better businessman and his parents were friggin cool. In other words, their positive attitude was an incentive for me. They stayed on top of things and communicated more. It wasn't like "Your boat will take a year...tough $#it" - it was "this is what we're looking at, here is what's happening." I waited six months and it was well worth it. I felt like they really wanted my business whereas some others could've cared less. They even followed up, so I was stoked. I would definitley buy from them again.
#15 Fri, 10/27/2006 - 5:31pm
Kaiolohia, so tell me how you are liking your Fuze now that you have it? I have one on order and I am stoked waiting for it after January. What did you paddle before and how is the Fuze working for you in the flats and surf?
Mahalo
#16 Sat, 10/28/2006 - 5:01am
Did your canoe come with a warranty? - Do any of these chinese canoes come with a warranty from the manufacturers? ( written warranties ) Why as outrigger paddlers do we take it lying down when we are forking out good money- we wouldn't accept that that with a car or a piece of electronics. Don't we need to make these guys accountable to their market. I just don't get it why accept these delays, faults, and lame business practices. I guess we all are prisoners of too much demand for a product- and that is a chagable thing . !
#17 Mon, 10/30/2006 - 2:02pm
To be honest the manufacture of the Hurricane has come through and stood behind his product as far as I have seen . I had a very minor problem w/ my pedals and he sent me a new set right away and paid shipping and even called me to follow up .Mikes rocks !!
Even with seam problems he seems to have back it up and repair the boats if it truely was the fault of his product although I have seen many Hurricane owners pretty rough in the onshore handling of their boats which may have lead to some of the issues . Myself I baby mine when carrying it or putting it down and so far have had no really issues .Some people I have seen drop them down hard and walk away and treat it like a club boat and then whine that it leaks .............
Yes there has been some delay but it is a nice boat and like I said Mike will back his product up if there are issues related to building of the kanu
I am waiting on the Pegasus now and have never dealt w/ Kai so not sure what to expect ......guess we'll see when it arrives
#18 Mon, 10/30/2006 - 5:42pm
oc sprinter do you have any idea when the pegasus's (pegasi...whatever the plural is...) are going to arrive??
nb
#19 Mon, 10/30/2006 - 5:45pm
No I don't have any idea ........ I'm lucky I have my hurricane so the wait isn't that painful . Its still a toss up weather I will buy it as I want to try it and compare it to what I have now .The water is not all that big here and is more flat than big so its a tough choice .If its as fast or even close to my hurricane then I will take it as its more than likely better in the 3-4 ft stuff when we do get it .
#20 Tue, 10/31/2006 - 7:48am
HYPR canoes went thru the same process. We left the subcontractor due to dishonest business practices. We built our own factory, new tools, new laminations, new accessories, basically starting from scratch starting in July, we delivered our 1st container to Florida, next going to Hawaii, NZ, CA and maybe Australia.
Its not easy for any manufacturer. Even we have an on ground person, its still very difficult to get things done but we have some amazing canoes coming out. Go check it out at our website www.hypr.us
#21 Sun, 11/05/2006 - 4:10am
Put the worries to rest everyone. Hurricane (and Pegasus) are finally back in production. It has been a long haul for everyone, and if you think that you are frustrated that you have ordered a canoe a year ago and have not received it, think about how frustrated we are, being out of business for a whole year!!!!! what a loss of income. Outrigger Zone (OZ) is the manufacturer. OZ was contracting a Chinese factory to produce canoes. Things went sour and OZ decided to end problems for the future by forming its own factory. this means that OZ leased a warehouse, registered a business in China, built out the building from scratch, putting in walls, spray rooms, finishing rooms, layup rooms, plotting rooms, dormatory for workers, Kitchen, bathrooms, heating, etc...... then, the old manufacturer would not give back the molds and all equipment. So, we had to build EVERYTHING from scratch. Not to mention losing near $100,000.00 in molds and equipment. Then once the building was ready, molds needed to be made, research and Development needed to be done again to start the wheel rolling again. sample products needed to be made to ensure a quality product. We could have gotten products to customers in the summer probably, but the quality would not have been good. better to wait than to force a poor quality product. So anyhow, to make a long story short, OZ has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to bring the Hurricane back, and every step there was a delay. An OC-1 is very involved. You would be amazed at all the tiny parts you need. We have had a few shipments that have already left China. Hawaii received its first shipment and the ball is rolling. We are working as hard and as fast as we can to satisfy everyone. Please hang in there. we have always stood behind the product and will continue to do so. If you are one of the customers who have paid a deposit but did not get your boat.... I don't know..... I try not to take deposits until I know the boats are near delivery. You need to bring this up with the dealer who you are purchasing the canoe from. Mahalo for your support. Aloha, Jim Foti
#22 Thu, 11/16/2006 - 5:45pm
one thing i think we are all forgetting is how involved oc-1s are to make...i worked adjacent to the kaku shop this summer and the time they put into making those boats is incredible...like jim said if they rushed it we would all have boats and they would all suck...personally i don't mind waiting until i can get a good boat...especially when your paying this much money...just thought i would reiterate that and let me know if anyone hears anything about the shipment of pegasus's (pegasi...whatever) headed for so cal...
see you on the water...
#23 Thu, 11/16/2006 - 7:40pm
Yep, Jim Foti is right. We got screwed the same way where the factory keeps asking for money but never delivering, then holding all the molds and equipment as ransom. We lost even more money as we had so many different designs
If manufacturing in China was so easy, anyone can do it. It is treacherous because this is such a small industry, no one gives a damn there. Just buying the right tool to install a rudder is a project in itself.
We changed to a whole new way of production in molds, laminations and finishing, and we're now running smoothly. Amazing give we only started in July.
#24 Tue, 11/21/2006 - 9:30am
first week of January...according too two different sources...both reps for CA...so we'll see if that happens...bummer i'm not getting one now...but hey...my new kaimana is awesome...hope all your boats get here on time and are great...
#25 Sat, 12/02/2006 - 3:25pm