im interested in trying to build a four man surf canoe and links or other information would be greatly appreciated jack hunsucker
Submitted by jack on Tue, 01/09/2007 - 8:34am
im interested in trying to build a four man surf canoe and links or other information would be greatly appreciated jack hunsucker
Submitted by jack on Tue, 01/09/2007 - 8:34am
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we built one in high school that was recently finished: http://kzo.net/canoe
#1 Tue, 01/09/2007 - 10:17am
Did you get the plans from: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/garyd/ulua.html ?
I've wanted to try to build a strip canoe but I think it will have to wait until I retire from work. Looks very time consuming.
frosso
www.mapa1.org
#2 Tue, 01/09/2007 - 11:02am
This Guy built one of Gary's Stripper canoes (Ulua) but for surfing it probably needs more volume and a more rounded hull, it appears to have a "v" shaped hull.The one Keizo and the boys build looks to have more freeboard and volume. Also checkout the damage done by the shipping company enroute from to Hawai'i from US mainland, it didn't even make the West Coast. He has since built a new one.
This is what the builder had to say about the finished canoe when i contacted him by email..
......... I did learn that at 18.5 ft. LOA with two 180+ lb crew aboard, it doesn't have much freeboard. I'll definitely have to have a splash cover for sailing offshore even singlehanded. I'd assume that a 24 ft. version with 3-4 crew would have the same or even less freeboard. If I were going to build another one, I'd add 3-4 inches to the topsides and/or some tumblehome for added bouyancy.
..........Also, be aware that the rocker is pretty pronounced and paddling it in a straight line isn't easy, almost constant corrective strokes are necessary. Gary has designed a foot-operated rudder, but that just doesn't seem like it's traditional enough for my taste. This may be improved some in a longer version. I thought that the "v" in the hull would make it track better than it does. As you may or may not be aware, true Hawaiian hulls have no "v". The rounded hull makes it easier to slide the bow down a wave when surfing on steep waves. I didn't get a chance to try Huna Kai in the surf, but I don't think it's designed to surf on anything but the smallest of waves. I'm thinking about how to strip-build a round hull for my next canoe, but haven't done any experimentation yet.
http://karkauai.com/outrigger_canoe.html
http://karkauai.com/KeKalakupua_DamagedinShipping.html
Cheers Rambo
#3 Tue, 01/09/2007 - 1:49pm
I think the plans we used were from a 27 ft canoe designed by some college students at UH. I don't know much more than that. We compressed it to 18 ft and made the bow and stern stations up ourselves. I can ask Gary Craft if you want to know more about the plans. If I were to help build another I would modify the shape it bit.
We took it out for a couple waves last week. It tracks a little more than expected, but I'm hoping it's because of the ama rig more than the hull shape. The relatively sharp bow certainly doesn't help though.
#4 Wed, 01/10/2007 - 10:53am
if this is ths first boat you're building I would say make something smaller than a 4 man. Learn how to do things right and get your techniques down. Especially before you go out and blow tons of money on the materials for your first attempt at building.
My first boat was a small sailing canoe by james wharram. It is only 16 feet long, but I would say I learned a ton from the experience. Probably alot of things I can apply to my next boat. It took me a pretty long time to make it and it wasn't even a strip build which can be pretty time consuming.
Also, I figured after talking to a few canoe builders, that making the wood canoe was easier and much less technical than making a molded boat. Especially with my experience level of ZERO. The bigger the boat, the more expensive the mistakes can be.
here's a link to some dude that built a 18 foot Ulua in europe. you can see the amount of resources required.
http://www.pixum.ch/members/paulausbern/?act=a_view&album=1292347&page=1...
i know someone who uses that shape canoe (ulua) for sailing and surfing and it has held up well to getting flipped and tossed in Hanalei Bay.
#5 Wed, 01/10/2007 - 3:52pm