Hi guys,
I am new to OC and see many shiny Canoes around here. I see also every constructors nightmare, you do not use adjustable rudder pedals for correct trimming . Why ??
Submitted by Heavywater on Thu, 02/08/2007 - 12:19am
Hi guys,
I am new to OC and see many shiny Canoes around here. I see also every constructors nightmare, you do not use adjustable rudder pedals for correct trimming . Why ??
Submitted by Heavywater on Thu, 02/08/2007 - 12:19am
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Weight comes to mind, perhaps simplicity as in less parts, less trouble, really don't know, but what would you suggest?
#1 Thu, 02/08/2007 - 5:42am
why would you need adjustable pedals for trim unless one of your cables is stretched from heavy feet (our club oc-1s end up that way from newbies), if it's your own boat, just checked the alignment after every few trips out. just like bicycle cables, they will stretch over time.
#2 Thu, 02/08/2007 - 6:57am
I read only Need for Speed in this forum, see Ferrari Red and Porsche colours and nobody talks about elementary settings what 's really fundamental for setting up stroke mechanics and boot balance. What I suggest is, every vessel is constructed with a Set-point, center point, center of gravity,Oh boy I die with this inglish, for optimal gliding, annex optimal speed, if you destroy or disturb the balance, you are not able to paddle with optimal hull speed. pls tell me if I wrong.
Why the coach put you with your 120 kg on seat 3/4 instead 1 or 6, surely not only because your fat ass don't fit in the Mirage.
#3 Thu, 02/08/2007 - 8:30am
If you own your own boat why do you need adjustable pedals? Unless you're going through a masive growth spurt there is no need to change the pedals. Plus adjustable pedal systems suck. They ALL SUCK. More stuff to break, hard to align right. Gross gross
Poops
#4 Thu, 02/08/2007 - 9:41am
I am agree, the most adjustable pedals sucks.
( time to invent something)
But, all the OC1/2 on the market have fixed pedals, so the length of your legs determine the position of your butt.Right?
If you lucky ( your measurement correspond with the calculation of the builder) you sitting in the centre of the canoe.
If not, ( long legs/short legs, high heels,hihihi) your centre is not vertical in line with the center of the canoe.
Isn't better to sit on the right place and adjust the pedals?
Popeyepaddler shows you what's wrong.
#5 Thu, 02/08/2007 - 10:33am
Heavywater I understand where you are coming from. In the sprint kayak world boats are designed so that the pedal assembly and seat are adjustable so as to 'TRIM' out the boat for a specific paddlers weight - to set the center of gravity with the center of buoyancy so the boat runs level with the waterline. OCs have adjustable seats but not peddles currently, likely because foot wells and cockpits would need to be larger to accommodate more trim adjustment. I guess builders currently want to keep their designs and builds simpler and size their boats for set weights/heights. I know that is not 'perfect' for each paddler but it is the current compromise. Adjustable peddles would be a very good thing as in use in Surfski designs, but look at Surfskis and you have another problem. A fixed seat position and adjustable peddles. Again a trade off for sit-on top paddle boats.
Good point though Heavywater......Aloha all!
#6 Thu, 02/08/2007 - 3:27pm
Interestingly my Oc1, many years old now, has an adjustable pedal box and it's never given me an ounce (or 28 grams) of trouble. I adjusted it once, at purchase time, so my legs are in a comfortable position when paddling and haven't touched it since. Means my backside is where the builder intended it to be rather than fore or aft. So if my 8 year old waka can do, so should modern ones. If it's your own canoe, just like a bike it needs to be adjusted once for your hieght and weight. Then it should stay like that without requiring constant readjustment and fixing.
#7 Thu, 02/08/2007 - 4:27pm
not sure who does it or if they still do, but it used to be you would order a boat and it would be sized to your leg length. The paddler's body was always kept centered in the boat. I believe that the waveblade used to be made like that. So the mold would be adjusted to pop out a boat to your dimensions...
#8 Thu, 02/08/2007 - 8:17pm
We looking for speed , or at least for efficient paddling, no needs for $ 3000.00 compromises.
Adjustable seat with adjustable pedals dat's it. Everybody has a different paddling style, a 1/2 inch difference makes me hadicapped with incorrect seating stance angles.
Ok you can order a custom canoe, their is a tool named JIG to build different spacers but we wanna thank Jesus first for a " cheap " China build standard OC.
"Let's make things better." soon
#9 Thu, 02/08/2007 - 10:41pm
so your point is that a canoe with a movable foot pedal is going to be cheaper than a boat with fixed wells? Not sure I get the $3000 compromise thing. Almost any new boat worth a damn is going to cost 3000 dollars. So why not get it tailored to yourself? Screw everyone else, let them get their own. You pay the money, as long as it fits you then great. If you're still growing, then i guess you'd be out of luck. If you're planning on sharing with every damn Dick and Jane, then knock yourself out and get the darn adjustable foot pedals. If everyone else in the whole world has gotten things wrong up to this point. Maybe you should make the new canoe that will revolutionize the paddling world forever.
#10 Thu, 02/08/2007 - 11:18pm
jc9_0 pls. in my age I am growing in the wide and not in the height.
( actually shrinking)
You sounds as a celibate unmarried man, I have 3 teenaged boyzz around. Let me don't tell you how many unfitting Long Johns we have in the locker.
Your proposal to make a new canoe "optima forma" isn't a crazy idea.
Let's design and place a Enquiry form for the needs of all OCpaddlers .
Whats your opinion Keizo, can we fix something on this site?
#11 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 1:00am
wow, jc9, how did Heavywater figger out you were celibate and unmarried just from a few posts? Sounds like you need to treat yourself to some poontang! Don't worry, chick-magnet Goto is on the way...
#12 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 6:21am
As far as I know Tiger still sizes the cockpit position on his OC1s by leg inseam/weight. Someone here can correct me if I am wrong.
Cheers :-)
#13 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 7:38am
Heavywater why the hate man? Jim, dude, you're in love with goto aren't you?
I have 2 comments about this issue.
Dats it
Poops out
#14 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 10:56am
I think it's the way he plays hard to get during paddling season, poops.
#15 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 12:15pm
always interesting when soneone turns a discussion into a round of insults. but hey that's your perrogative. you have now angered all the celibate preists who frequent this site. after all celibacy is a choice, not a fault. Not to mention you are now single handedly ridiculing every unmarried user of OCpaddler, way to go. perhaps heavywater should return to Bizzaro universe where everything is backwards. Then his evaluation would be dead on. Especially since i am both married and certainly not celibate.
Please, do not tell me however many longjohns you have at your house. Your longjohn and your sons' collection of longjohns are none of my business. I have only had one longjohn my whole life and it has worked for me.
I echo what poops was saying. more moving parts, more to break, more liability. if you are just paddling on closed water like a lake or river, then much less chance of breakage being a major concern. but if you are paddling in open ocean conditions long distances from shore, then reliability is KEY.
word to your mother.
#16 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 12:31pm
Thanks Poopoopaddler to sharing your experience with adj. pedals. You and jc have your own choices ,you don't have to consider with anyone, I have to. What i trying to say is in bad english, I need one canoe for different people with different sizes . Sorry jc9_0 don't take it personally my dictionary sucks, a celibate unmarried man means to me a single man with no commitments so far.
Jim,pls be more decent :-)
#17 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 1:26pm
sorry about your english. i will never be offended. i am after all, a bastard at heart.
and remember, keep those longjohn remarks under wraps. pun intended.
#18 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 2:52pm
Thanks jc9_0.
Will you send me a greencard? ;-)
Then I tell you how many longjohns ........
#19 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 2:59pm
I got a question, does anyone ever move their seat depending on the conditions?
#20 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 3:02pm
I think the original question had to do with peddle trim as opposed to adjusting the peddles for the paddler's size or adjusting the seat position.
People automatically trim their boat without thinking by offsetting their peddles with their own feet. The amount of trim required depends on a number of factors including, without limitation, cross currents and wind. I can only think of 2 situations where you would want to be able to adjust the trim on your canoe:
1) Your canoe does not travel in a straight line when the peddles are even and it really bugs the crap out of you. I recently restrung the cables on a hurricane and despite my best efforts to line the peddles up evenly before I set the cable, now have this problem. I don't lose sleep over it. I just add the problem to the list of excuses for doing a slow run ----"Darn it! My boat kept turning circles!" (see post of excuses on this forum);
2) the peddles are set too high (i.e., where the top of the peddles are pointing more toward the paddler as opposed to pointing away from the paddler). The boat that I restrung also has this problem on the left side. The problem caught up to me after about an hour into paddling when the muscle on my shin cramped up because the height of the left peddle put my shin muscle (sorry, i don't know the proper term) in a contracted position--like trying to point your big toe to your shin. Try doing that for an hour! Adjusting the seat back made no noticeable change in the position of my foot and ankle.
Its easy to make an adjustable trim with stainless steel linkages and clamps. It just messes up the looks of the canoe.
#21 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 3:05pm
I guess Keizo means moving the seat in different water conditions to give the canoe another characteristic.
You Take off easier if you sitting more forward with the risk of a nosedive.
Small bumps sitting more forward, big bumps sitting more backward and your pedals have to go with you ;-))
#22 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 9:20pm
Snarfblat,
...tibialis anterior.
#23 Fri, 02/09/2007 - 10:09pm
...not to mention Extensor hallucis longus and/or extensor digitorum longus...
#24 Sat, 02/10/2007 - 4:13am
four words for you jim...
easy on the herb
#25 Sat, 02/10/2007 - 9:43am
Two words for you, Jeremiah Papaya, "Smoke weed every dayyyy...."
#26 Sat, 02/10/2007 - 10:34am
Mr Goto and Mr James
I already have a hardtime here with my language skills, Pls do not make it worse to use Latin Anatomical Terminology ;-)
Treat http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/2089 from yourself is indicating how important is adjustability in series produced canoes.
So let's figure out the usability and what makes sense, what is nonsense. The most visitors here I guess, looking for advice and knowledge from experienced paddlers. Doe you want to share yours?
#27 Sun, 02/11/2007 - 6:47am
Heavywater,sorry about all the silly comments we've thrown in, but I think there's also some informative content mixed in from some knowledgable and experienced paddlers if you read carefully.
#28 Sun, 02/11/2007 - 11:50am