Being the owner on a new china made Pegasus I have to ask you all something . How difficult is it for you all to rig your oc's ? Mine is a unbelieveable to rig and while I can get it together with some effort its unbelieveable how difficult it is to get apart and has actually forced some new owners to already sell theirs .
I have tried different ways and thought I got it to a point where I could live with it only to try to unrig the next time and it wouldn't come apart .I even had others try it and they thought it was unbelieveable and figured we were going to damage the hull or ama if we tried any harder .We were told to take 200 grit sandpaper and sand the iako tubes down inside but we left it to the distributor only to have our oc1's come back w/ the paint damaged and still have the same problem.... now they are scrambling to find some to try to repair the paint but the blends show ........ugh !
Its not something I expected w/ a brand new oc1 and the sanding did make the tubes slide in easier into the hull by themselves but try to attach the ama and it becomes a nitemare .Its like the iako's are not bent correct and when you try to attach the front hole first ( forget even consdering trying the rear first) you have to use the ama as leverage and swing the back towards the hull and then try to twist the bottom on the back of the ama inward to try to get the iako to slide down and you actually have to lean on the iako with your chest and pull up hard on the bottom of the ama ........something tells me it shouldn't be like this .
To get it apart you have to push down hard on the rear and then go forward and move the front out just a little (if it will move at all ) and go back to the rear and push down extremely hard again and pray that it will let go and if it doesn't just step back take a deep breath ...pull yourself together and try again in a few,lol.By this time everyone else is gone and your praying the crackling sound isn't doing much damage
any suggestions would be appriciated as everyone seems afraid to touch it for fear of further damage ...sigh
Submitted by OCsprinter on Tue, 03/13/2007 - 6:01pm
if the iako's are made of aluminum find someone who's good with a pipe bender and they can probably help you out by rebending them to fit...
#1 Tue, 03/13/2007 - 6:26pm
As you know I have a Pegasus from the same container. I have no problem rigging mine up and it comes together like butter. However, occasionally taking it apart is really tough, but I’ve never had to resort to applying excessive force.
For rigging I follow these steps:
1) Attach both iakos into the hull.
2) Attach the front iako into the ama.
3) Attach the back iako into the ama.
As I said, this process is flawless. But you need to make sure that the alignment is right, if the alignment is off you'll know it. You should NEVER have to apply excessive force!
For de-rigging just follow the reverse order as used for rigging (back iako/ama first). Again you need to make absolutely sure that the alignment is right.
However, de-rigging is where I've had problems myself. What I've noticed is on cold days de-rigging the back iako/ama can be quite difficult. However, on any other day there is no problem. Perhaps, the problem is that ice crystals begin to form and jam the rig and we did have a couple of really chilly days here in Vancouver.
Try this method and tell me if it works, but once again make sure the alignment is right. The most sensitive step is inserting the back iako into the ama. If it’s not going in or not coming out you need to gently shift the ama back or forward until it slides out freely.
By the way, I didn’t do any changes to my Pegasus (no sanding or bending). A friend of mine bought a Pegasus whose iakos were sanded because the previous owner had the same problems as you’ve described and he has no problem whatsoever rigging or de-rigging following the steps above.
Hope this helps!
PS. Which club do you paddle for in Vancouver?
#2 Tue, 03/13/2007 - 6:58pm
One more thing...
When you recieved your boat, did the numbers on the hull, ama, and iakos (ie. #3,A#3, and #3) match?
I saying this because there was a slight shuffle with iakos and initially some people including me, recieved mismatched sets.
peace
#3 Tue, 03/13/2007 - 7:15pm
Yeah I heard that they were mixed up .He told me that he had fixed the problem and all was sorted out prior to me picking it up .
You are right ,some days are easier than other but I did the race on the weekend and it was a little colder ( but nothing like ice forming ) and man I fought with it to get it apart .I do exactly what you do to set it up .In the hull first then the ft and then the rear and the rear is where the fight is .When I put the ama in on the front the rear of the ama is away from the hull so I have to pull it in to make it line up and then twist the bottom slightly and pull up .
Heres something else ....if I put the iako's in the hull all the way it is slightly easier to rig and unrig but if I put it out to the second hole it becomes a nitemare . I really don't want them to try to repair it again because of the damage already done so this is why I posted to see what others have found .To me 1 of the iako's is slightly bent wrong it looks like
I paddle for FC
#4 Tue, 03/13/2007 - 8:02pm
I agree that they are a tight fit and some are easier than others. Sounds like yours don't line up properly.
Is it possible that the front Iako is around the wrong way. I am guessing probably not , but one guys here can rig his front Iako both ways and seems to run better in the flat the wrong way around. Maybe try to compare Iakos from another Pegasus and see if they line up exactly. I have found some canoes like being de-rigged by the back first and some like the front, depends on which button can be press the easiest. Sounds like you have already tried some of these things though. Good luck.
Rowdy
Australia
#5 Wed, 03/14/2007 - 12:14am
Yes I compared my set to another set but they were considerably different and the bends where shorter on mine by quite abit .I would hate to think what you would do if you lost a set of iako's as there was such a difference between them .I assume each set is made for each boat as not every boat is the same
The ft iako will only go in one way so it was obvious which way was correct
just want to thank those that have responded ....
#6 Wed, 03/14/2007 - 2:39am
I agree with nb1376, the quickest solution to your problem is a pipe bender. I also have a similar problem with my new Pegasus, the rear iako is not bent correctly. Mine slides in much easier than it comes out, so I push the rear of the ama inward towards the canoe and this releases the tension on the iako. I have been involved in production in China many times before with other sports equipment. This is a clear case of the jig not being 100% for the bend of the rear iako. Your best bet is to find a local fabrication shop that works with aluminum and have them bend it a few mm inward. This will release the outward pressure and make life easier.
#7 Wed, 03/14/2007 - 5:20pm
I used to have a Kai Wa'a Polaris, built Kai's shop in Hawaii and not in China. i had the same problems with rigging it - getting the iakos into and out of the ama was difficult, and having to pull the rear of the ama toward the canoe to even get the iako in. Took a lot of patience to not cause damage. Tight connections are good... but only to a point! I guess that's the way Kai Wa'a canoes are set up.
#8 Wed, 03/14/2007 - 5:33pm
I tend to think its the ft iako thats the problem not the rear .If the ft was back slightly than I would not have to force the rear of the ama inward as much .I also believe the caps on the iako are adding to the problem as they are a slightly larger diameter than the tubing .
What I worry about is obviously there is some measurement that they want the hull and ama to meet and by rebending the iakos will this change the way the ama rides in the water ?? .The last thing I want is to slow the boat down ........its just a thought .It would be nice to know what the correct measurements are to achieve the correct placement .I'm also curious as to why there is such a big difference in iakos between some of them ........Most other oc's are pretty much all the same
I'm not knocking the Pegasus as I like it but really dislike the rigging and potential damage that may occour or already has .
#9 Wed, 03/14/2007 - 8:42pm
OC sprinter - if your boat doesn't fit - then take it back to the dealer and get a new set of iakos or what ever - isn't it under warranty ? It's not your problem - you paid good money for it - the boat should be perfect. You paid for a perfect canoe and it sounds like you didn't get one.
If there is a misfit or blemish or leak of any kind - go back to your dealer and it should be covered under warranty.
#10 Thu, 03/15/2007 - 6:17am
Agree with PULLING WATER. The overtight rigging is a serious design flaw. Snug is one thing...but overtight is super frustrating and not necessary. I had one that was like that and had to sell it ...the whole pre paddling scenario just got too frustrating. Sometimes I had to wait until someone else showed up to help me pull something out or push something in...just a real hassle.
#11 Thu, 03/15/2007 - 9:38am
Just got off the water and seem to have found a simple solution with my wifes help. Here it is, put dish washing soap on the ends of the iako's and a little in the respective holes before you assemble the canoe. Pour a little water on it and it even slides easier. I did remove the end cap on my rear iako to be sure there was no sticky spots. They now slide in and out with no problem.
Give this a try, simple is, as simple does.
#12 Thu, 03/15/2007 - 2:43pm
i think the saying was "stupid is as stupid does". perhaos you should say genious is as genious does...no one else even thought of lubricating the recieving hole.
did that sound gay or what?
ich denke, daß der Saying „ist dumm war, wie dumm“. perhaos, die du sagen solltest, daß genious ist, wie genious… niemand dachte sogar an das Schmieren der recieving Bohrung. dieses stichhaltige homosexuelle, oder was?
I think that the Saying „is was stupid, as stupid “. perhaos, which you should not say that genious is, like genious… anybody thought even of lubricating recieving the drilling. this sound homosexual, or which?
#13 Thu, 03/15/2007 - 7:51pm
Setzt auf mein Gesicht
#14 Fri, 03/16/2007 - 6:59am
I have found that a greased pole fits way better. Just slides right in there, and comes out just as easy. Mine is often a very tight fit so I make sure to use copious amounts of lube. Soap I find does not work as well due to associated stinging.
"If no fit just put spit!"
Jeah
Poops on your face
#15 Fri, 03/16/2007 - 7:40am
Seife bringt es ueberhaupt nicht. Ich schleppe ja immer etwas Vaseline mit, um die Reibung meiner Speedos zu verhindern. Da die Vaseline nicht wasserloesslich ist bleibt sie auch immer schmierig. Eignet sich also bestens, und dann noch die ganze sauerei mit den Phosphaten und die damit verbundene Red Tide spricht gegen Seife.
Fuer Privatgenuss ziehe ich KY vor.
#16 Fri, 03/16/2007 - 8:37am
Sehr gut,painteur.
#17 Fri, 03/16/2007 - 10:27am
A+ for originality guys
A+ für Originalitätkerle
A+ for originality chaps
#18 Fri, 03/16/2007 - 12:19pm
I have no idea what this thread is even about any more, but anyway... Tom Bartlett couldn't get the forum to work and sent me this message a couple days ago.
#19 Fri, 03/16/2007 - 3:05pm
If only he knew what prime fodder he was offering up for the germanic poop comedy genre we have going here.
#20 Fri, 03/16/2007 - 4:06pm
I'm lucky I don't have a problem with the rigging on my canoe. All I can say is if I paid 3 clams for a boat that's made up of the latest material like carbon and/or kevlar but requires a shoe horn to rig or a key or screwdriver to unrig because the damn snap button is recessed so far into the hole, I'd be pissed. Use silicone or grease? Who the hell carries that around in their pockets let alone their surf shorts? The problem seems to stem from an imperfect manufacturing process--most of them are hand made and are thus prone to imperfection depending on who's bending them. This is mediocrity at its best. The aluminum bent iakos seem to be a problem with just about all of the boats that are made in Hawaii----or should I say "were" made in Hawaii. I say take them back to the manufacturer and have them solve the problem with the iakos or get your money back.
Snarf
#21 Fri, 03/16/2007 - 8:13pm
Well had my Pegasus out again today and I removed the end cap on the iako going into the rear of the ama and it went together and came apart alot better ......Still a little tight but something I can now live with I think .
The diameter of the cap , as mentioned ,is a slightly larger diameter then the iako tube but its enough to cause serious grief on some of the Pegasus's .I'll just grind the cap down a hair and put it back on and see what happens
#22 Mon, 03/26/2007 - 6:12am
I know this thread is old, but thought I would chime in since I have recently received mine several months ago. Yes, it is tight. The only problem I have had is the last connection putting the rear iako into the ama. I have started using silicon spray and that helps a lot. But I noticed that if the whole rig sits in the sun, it becomes more difficult. I assume this is related to the differences in thermal expansion of the differing materials. Also the iakos are anodized black (actually that's a nice feature) which probably causes them to warm and expand even more in the sun. I assume that over time and use the boat will loosen up. Anyway, the silicone spray is the key.
#23 Fri, 08/10/2007 - 1:23pm
Yes .....my iako's are unfinished and yes the rear still gives me grief coming apart but going together isn't bad .The new pegasus just out has a whole new system ( haven't seen it yet ) but it has collars apparantly ...wish I had waited now,lol .
I have removed the cap on the end of the rear iako into the ama and that helped but as you said the warmer it gets the worse it is but other than that it seems fine and performs well so far .
My only other question is weight .To me is seems a little heavy but then again I'm comparing to a hurricane and we don't have any other older version Pegasus's up here to compare with
#24 Sat, 08/11/2007 - 11:47am
Both me and a friend received ours in the same shipment. My boat is all yellow and my friend's is red over white. Several people have lifted both boats and seem to think the two-tone is lighter. Probably something to do with the extra color on the hull. It's hard for me to tell.
But I can definitely tell the new hurricane is lighter than either boat. I haven't bothered to actually weigh the hulls yet.
#25 Sat, 08/11/2007 - 9:18pm
White is always a lighter paint color vs. painted hulls, bright colors like Yellow/Red add weight - how much difference depends on what paint is used and how much is sprayed.
I would expect the Hurricane to be lighter than the Pegasus, given the volume of the boat is lower, the deck is totally flat on the Hurricane so I'd expect less cloth used to build that boat overall. Plus the Iakos are carbon on the Hurricane also and the seat is smaller so that reduces the Huricane weight a little also when fully rigged.
#26 Sun, 08/12/2007 - 5:16am
My first thought goes to what snurfblat says, If you are not happy let the dealer you bought it from know FIRST before being so pissed off you let all your friends know then the web, It is nor fair to the dealer or the builder for you to shoot off about how the boats sucks. If he doesn't fix / replace the boat, shoot off all you want.
I have seen many times I have rigged a pegasus the first time just fine, Then 5 minutes later I can't figure it out. Yes the tolerances are tight, Simple solution is a little sand paper to the inside of the Iako sleeve. It doesn't take much to make it right.
#27 Mon, 08/13/2007 - 3:13pm
Avoid all the hassle, get a Wave Blade. Just joined this forum, does everyone always grumble so much?
#28 Mon, 08/13/2007 - 3:25pm
Ohana,
Not sure you are talking to me. but just in case... I merely pointed out a fact. But nowhere did I indicate I was pissed or even unhappy with my purchase. After rereading my post, I am not sure how it could even be inferred that I was any of the things you mentioned. I actually am quite happy with my boat. If you weren't talking to me, sorry. If you were, sorry my post seemed to offend you so much.
On a side note I did contact the dealer very soon after receiving my boat. He suggested the use of silicone spray. That seems to have made a difference that I can live with.
Ken
#29 Mon, 08/13/2007 - 5:10pm
I was not being specific to anyone, And should have been more aparent that I was speaking in general terms. Not this case specifically. Because I am a dealer I hate finding out about a problem one of my customers is having through their friends. If you were to look back on many of my posts I have repeated the issue of holding the dealers and manufactureres accountable for there products.
It worries me that many people have sold there boats because they were tought to rig, It seems there should have been something done from the dealers or manufacturer standpoint, In my opinion this would be a defective boat, The consumer should not have the burden of selling his boat and loosing money because it wil not rig.
As I said in one of those last "dark" strings, If you are not happy when you pick the boat up don't take it home. Withthe exception of builders doing the building in the US, My feeling is this wil be the year the out of country builders get caught up with demand and the dealers have a surplus of canoes to sell, you may not get the exact color you want, but at least you wil get a boat free of blemshes or problems.
#30 Mon, 08/13/2007 - 6:36pm
I purchase a Polaris several years ago and the same so-called problem existed then as it does today. All i had to do was to used silicone and the canoe is fine. One of the best buys i made. It was a great canoe then and still is today. Quite often when i bring my Paloris out people are still inpressed with its performance and quality. I purchase my Polaris from Doug Lok and the only complaint was the long wait. But they say good things are worth waiting for. This is true of Kai's product. Thanks to doug i got a great buy.
#31 Mon, 09/03/2007 - 1:42am
What glue would be best to make the velcro stick to the seat and hull?
#32 Sat, 11/17/2007 - 9:13pm
This is what I do when I need to make velcro stick:
1)clean surfaces with alcohol, and let dry.
2)mark out the area that you want the velcro installed (pencil will work on the boat, and pen or felt pen will work on the seat). You may want to use masking tape around the installation area on the boat (remove tape as soon as glue starts to set, or it may become part of the boat).
3)lightly sand surfaces with sandpaper, 100 grit should work.
4)clean surfaces with alcohol and let dry.
5)apply water proof glue (I use a two part epoxy glue called T-88, by System Three [www.epoxyhelp.com]).
Some times the velcro will not lay flat, in that case you can place some waxpaper over it (it may stick to exposed glue), place a piece of wood over waxpaper, and weights on the wood.
#33 Sun, 11/18/2007 - 7:01am
This is how you rig a china pegasus
step1-put front iako into the front of the ama
step2-put front iako into the canoe (after front iako is in the ama)
step3-put back iako into the canoe
step4-put back iako into the back of the ama
step5-go paddle
step6-to unrig your canoe just reverse steps 4,3,2,1
really simple
#34 Wed, 11/21/2007 - 6:47am
I think that the china pegasus is the best and fastest boat that I have ever rode on. Its fast in the flat water and even faster in the surf, i think that its fast in the flat water because the glide of the canoe is good.
#35 Wed, 11/21/2007 - 6:44am
A
#36 Mon, 07/05/2010 - 9:18pm
if your on the big island and you want to try out a china pegasus feel free to send me an email
puniboi@hotmail.com
or contact me on my cell phone 808- 987- 4376
#37 Thu, 11/22/2007 - 10:32am