Just seen the ad for this canoe, and saw Jr. paddling it in the Hinano Oahu Champs race - anyone know anything about it? Looks pretty good.
Submitted by Coc0nut on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 9:48am
Just seen the ad for this canoe, and saw Jr. paddling it in the Hinano Oahu Champs race - anyone know anything about it? Looks pretty good.
Submitted by Coc0nut on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 9:48am
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The Zephyr is a new OC1 from Outrigger Connection. The new canoe is the 3rd installment to the Fuze , Fusion line up of canoes . Zephyr is intended to be an additional choice of OC1 for paddlers who want a boat bigger than a Fuze but, smaller and lower volume above the waterline than a Fusion, it is not intended to be a boat that replaces either Fuze or Fusion, but, rather a third choice that fits between the two.
Eastern Outrigger has a few Zephyrs on order right now and hopes to see the first ones coming out of China sometime early Winter 2008.
#1 Sun, 04/15/2007 - 1:35am
zephyr the crucial boat must be, since Karel Jr won as much yesterday past. sadly, to be but the boat which you possesses, and all forms, which through-vibrate boats in the porcelain out, are now outdated the support of the bad messages. forgotten that which you thought, knew you, the ZEPHYR are now the best boat of the No. one at all.
das zephyr muß das entscheidende Boot sein, da Karel Jr vorbei soviel gestern gewann. traurig, die Stütze der schlechten Nachrichten, aber das Boot zu sein, die du besitzt, und alle Formen, die heraus Boote im Porzellan durchschütteln, sind jetzt überholt. vergessen, daß was dachtest du, wußtest du, das ZEPHYR bist jetzt das beste Boot der Nr. eine überhaupt.
the zephyr must be the ultimate boat since Karel Jr won by so much yesterday. sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the boat you own, and all the molds churning out boats in china, are now obsolete. forget what you thought you knew, the ZEPHYR is now the number one best boat ever.
#2 Sun, 04/08/2007 - 2:38pm
Karel is advertising them in the current (March) issue of Pacific Paddler Magazine.
#3 Mon, 04/09/2007 - 9:58am
^ about the Pacific Paddler Magazine. i filled out the survey in the back and it said they would give me a free 1 year subscription.. i havent gotten a responce or email yet :S. been about 1 month or so..
#4 Mon, 04/09/2007 - 7:28pm
I have to agree with Jc09. The zephyr is the fastest boat currently in production. It has to be since Karel won. Plus he won by so much, that boat made him WAYYY faster than anyone else. Plus his dad makes a super light super stiff boat for Jr. Its like 4 pounds lighter than the boats he makes for production. So we'll never be as fast as Jr.
Poooopoooooooo
#5 Thu, 04/12/2007 - 10:10am
Yeah the sarcastic comments are awesome guys..well done... the repeated German translations dotted everywhere throughout this forum are really quite clever too.
I was however, more interested in the design aspects of the canoe, and the differences between it and the Fuze/Fusion. Fuzerider pretty much explained it all so thanks for that.
#6 Thu, 04/12/2007 - 1:14pm
coconut, glad we could be of help. I find it so comforting that there are such helpful people just a few clicks of a mouse away.
Popo
#7 Thu, 04/12/2007 - 2:52pm
Indeed.
#8 Thu, 04/12/2007 - 3:02pm
More Zephyr info:
The Zephyr is the same length as the Fusion, It has lower volume below the waterline due to it being 3/4 of an inch narrower than Fusion at the widest point. The Zephyr will probably go to windward better than a Fusion , due to its` lower profile above the waterline. The front end of the canoe is very similar to a Fusion but, the stern has conciderably less volume above the water. Zephyr retains the same hard chine below the waterline like both Fuze and Fusion. The hard chine feature is unique on the Outrigger Connection canoes. I would doubt that it would still be on the new Zephyr unless it was something the team riders and design input guys knew was working well. Even in east coast conditions , I can honestly say that at planeing speeds the Outrigger Connection canoes in general retain a ton of directional manueverability, the ability to move quickly , laterally, can mean the difference between getting a wave and not getting a wave.
#9 Sat, 04/14/2007 - 12:52am
Thanks again fuzerider. All those changes made will be for the better I think. The fusion does have a bit of a 'big ass' - and is wider and has more volume on top than any other canoe currently on the market. This probably does affect its upwind performance, and the Zephyr will be slightly lighter too I imagine. The changes were obviously based on a fair degree of paddler feedback, and I think they got the right level of balance in there now in terms of overall performance, as opposed to 'Hawaii style' downhill runs. I think this canoe will appeal to the larger market, especially outside of Hawaii, where conditions and races are alot more variable (i.e paddling into headwinds, flatter conditions, etc). So without paddling it, I think on paper the canoe sounds quite impressive.
#10 Fri, 04/13/2007 - 1:40pm
FUZZE says for 170 and under .
Does that mean
if im over 170 order a Zephyer
#11 Sat, 04/14/2007 - 11:13pm
tsziano1,
No matter what canoe you choose to order, you should get a test ride first to see if you like it and to see if it`s the right boat for you.
#12 Sun, 04/15/2007 - 1:29am
The Fuze may be rated for a 170 lb paddler, but I just got my new Fuze recently and was quite surprised at the size of the boat above and below the waterline. I typically weigh 190+lbs this time of year and paddle at around 185 (hoping for 180 this year ;-) ). The Fuze is easily larger than my Kaimana above the waterline (16 inches at the seat vs 14.25 for my Kaimana) and pretty close at waterline which works well for me. I think the Fuze will work quite well for the 190-200lb paddler as well in my experience. Some people paddle a Hurricane at 200lbs and that is by far one of the smallest OC-1s around so a Fuze should do well for that weight also. The Fuze is definitely bigger than the Hurricanes.
Really enjoying the Fuze so far and the build quality and construction looks and feels pretty awesome.
Aloha,
Pittbrah
#13 Mon, 04/16/2007 - 5:09pm
Some time back i did a rewiew of the OC Fuze at the Hamilton Island Cup and these were my Impressions.
**I promised to give my thoughts on the Outrigger Connection Fuze so here it is.
Before I do just a little disclaimer.. I currently own and paddle a Hurricane which I love.
I don’t have any connection to any Manufacturer nor am I lucky or good enough to be sponsored, so my opinion is pure and just that, my opinion.
My interest in the Fuze started at about the same time as I bought my Hurricane, 12 months ago. It wasn’t available in Aust. then so was crossed off the list.
I knew Lisa Curry Kenny paddled one in Hawaii and actually brought it back with her so I had seen it on the ocean at Mooloolaba and questioned her about it.
My interest was rekindled when in Hawaii in April this year to do 2 iron oc1 races on Maui. In between the two races I had 4 days on Oahu and visited Karels factory at Kailua to demo the Fuze and had morning tea with Karel snrs lovely wife Marcella.
They had both Hawaiian and Chinese made Fuzes available and you could not pick the difference.
I took the Fuze to local waters and paddled in various conditions for the rest of afternoon.
I was quite impressed with the wave catching ability of the canoe; it seemed to drop in on the wave easily and had extremely responsive rudder control. No pearling of the nose was another noticeable attribute. On flat water I felt that it did not have the speed of a Hurricane, but without a Hurricane there to trial it was at best a guess. Comfortable, I could have paddled it all day and the lower seat height allowed a closer to the water and straighter leg style of paddling that I like. I also like the looseness or slappiness of the Ama on the water which I believe is similar in action to the Puffy Ama on the oc6 Mirage.
Back to the present and the demo of the Fuze on Hammo.
Man straight-away I knew this was a different canoe. In fact it was Lisa’s Fuze from above. The only way I could describe the difference was that it was light-footed or loose on the water. The flat water speed felt much faster. In fact I was so excited about the performance of this canoe; I flipped twice in shallow water front of my Mooloolaba club mates and copped a huge serve from them. So Marty and Grant Kenny, Darren Mercer, Lemmo, my coach Danny Sheard and the others ¦…. Get Stuffed ¦I was just trying to see how light the Ama was, and it caught me by surprise.
Talking to Bart’s (Outrigger Connection Aust.) later about the canoe (actually I was trying to buy it) he confirmed that it was in fact Lisa’s Fuze and it was now his wife’s canoe. Further, it is also a Carbon- Carbon canoe not a Carbon-Kevlar like the ones currently for sale. Here’s the reason for the light footedness I experienced. It weighs full rigged 8.5kgs. I assume that it is a one off canoe and probably not covered by the normal warrantee as the Carbon-Kevlar product, and that’s completely understandable. But I want it.
So there you have it, an excellent canoe design and impressive all around performance. **
#14 Mon, 04/16/2007 - 7:30pm
Zephyr Prototyp to be completed this week Thanks for the advice of trying out a new canoe before i buy Coconut. I Called who must be JR>'s Mom and i could be the first one to try out a new Zephyr Proto typ im flying to Oahu (FBI) and checking it out monday Morning (if Ready) Also thanks about Weight info Rambo im glad im not the only one with rapid weight change I paddle 6 man at about 165 ( by the end of the season) and im about 185 Off Season wow! looks worse in typ. so is this like computers every six months to a year the next model super seeds the last if I drop 4-5and a1/2 grand (the estimated pice for the built in Hawaii Zephyr ( Much cheaper for the china built Zephyrs to come out late fall ) will i see newer better than the Zephyr canoes calld the ZEPHS? could we get some german response to this(joking) CY (Tsziano1)
#15 Tue, 04/17/2007 - 6:49pm
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that last post only had two periods in the whole thing, right?
#16 Tue, 04/17/2007 - 8:43pm
tsziano needs to be drug tested. I think he was on meth when he wrote that post.
#17 Tue, 04/17/2007 - 9:01pm
Ah Common Guys.Thats bashing and against this sites traditions. Goto got any Aleve samples? I havnt had so much as as a Stienlager since '03. Im glad i paddle 100 times better than i can typ! New to Blogging . yes ! On Druggs. No! Im gratfull for Fuzeridder's advice to try a canoe before i just orderd one! Im all pumped to try the ZEPHYR. MRS. Karel said the proto typ should be finished this week. Im flying from Big Island to Oahu to try it on Monday Morning.
#18 Tue, 04/17/2007 - 11:01pm
I agree - if anyone's on drugs though, it's me... even if they ARE OTC. I've just got this new thing for counting periods...
-that's 7
xoxo, GOTO
#19 Wed, 04/18/2007 - 6:11am
Jc9 counts his period too. One a month so far...
#20 Wed, 04/18/2007 - 7:47am
Master Goto. I count 8. The period after the Mrs. counts ? Ja oder Nein?
Perhaps more UTC drugs?
#21 Wed, 04/18/2007 - 9:06am
ahhh so funny paddlers are, how did we get off topic so quickly ? who's to blame after all this is not a grammar lession.so now that we are all on the same page, when is karel going to bring this boat into full production ? and who has had a chance to test it please give some feedback ... so now lets hear all the come backs. lol
#22 Wed, 04/18/2007 - 11:55am
Outriggigger Connection Is almost done with the ZEPHYR proto typ. If they think its cured enough I'll be trying it on monday 23rd. Hawaii prodution should follow soon after but they said the price will be considerably more than $3195.00 Once Karel Sr. figures the reail price out hell star full prodution here and than China Zephyr's will be avilable in sep/oct. eddiessurfhawaii you can call (808) 261-8424 and try it out some time after this week!
#23 Wed, 04/18/2007 - 2:35pm
I just wanted to add that the Zephyr that Karel won the solo and the relay in is a China boat. It was not specially made by Senior as someone had previously commented. Outrigger Connection simply makes the best, no matter where the boat is made!
#24 Thu, 05/08/2008 - 4:51pm
Are you sure about that, ocbarbiegirl?
#25 Thu, 05/08/2008 - 5:05pm
ocbarbiegirl,
You wouldn't happen to be related to fuzerider?
#26 Thu, 05/08/2008 - 5:19pm
ocbarbiegirl is correct!
the Zephyr which Jr won both the solo and the relay was a China built boat.
just goes to show 2 things:
1) the boats coming out of the OC factory in China are as good as any other boat out there, and
2) it's not the boat but rather the engine!
but we all knew that didn't we!
#27 Thu, 05/08/2008 - 10:49pm
HKpaddler,
Are you a member of the world wide Outrigger Connection Team Rider Support Cartel yet?
http://maineoutriggerchampionships.blogspot.com/
#28 Fri, 05/09/2008 - 5:43am
#29 Fri, 05/09/2008 - 5:45am
FACT! It is a CHINA BOAT that we rode. Same boat JR used for SOLO.
#30 Fri, 05/09/2008 - 7:35am
Alfred , congratulations, nice racing at the relay . :)
Hope to see you at Blackburn....
http://maineoutriggerchampionships.blogspot.com/
#31 Fri, 05/09/2008 - 7:46am
xx
#32 Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:06am
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#33 Sun, 05/11/2008 - 11:29pm
i was told by Karel Sr. it was a China boat, They want to support their dealers by racing on the same items that they are selling. No special treatment for Jr, No special lay-up or slick skin, Just a plain old off the shelf China Zephyr. I do not know any details about ama plugs or ama height.
#34 Mon, 05/12/2008 - 7:46am
not sure how there could be any debate about this when the man that actually raced the boat told you all what is was.
how is there any question? why is there any question?
#35 Mon, 05/12/2008 - 8:05am
The plug is not in the rear because I was looking at it the whole time right in front of my feet! and yes the ama looks different because we used a different rig. It was a Mantra ama that we used. Jr was more comfortable with that one. Because it's a little longer at the back and made it lift more/faster on the bumps, which JR likes. But, theres nothing wrong with the ama that comes with the zephyr. It works just as nice! Only someone as good as JR will actually really see and feel that slight difference!
This should end this tread? SMILE!
#36 Mon, 05/12/2008 - 1:40pm
You'd think that alfred, but we'll see. People never cease to amaze me on OCP.
#37 Mon, 05/12/2008 - 2:18pm
At Eastern Outrigger we are working on a top secret speed enhancing device for OC1
s and OC2s. If it`s finished in time , we will race it at the Blackburn Challenge in Gloucester.http://maineoutriggerchampionships.blogspot.com/
#38 Mon, 05/12/2008 - 3:20pm
Eh Fuze,,
Because it’s a little longer at the back and made it lift more/faster on the bumps, which JR likes.
Remember ?
aloha,
pog
#39 Mon, 05/12/2008 - 7:51pm
Does he have more than one ama?
The image at http://www.hckt.org/OtherWebs/2008_Apr27_SteinlagerKaiwiRace/pages/IMG_0... clearly shows the plug in the back on a much higher profile ama.
#40 Tue, 05/13/2008 - 9:27am
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#41 Wed, 05/14/2008 - 7:21am
does da Zephyre catch good waves???!!! like 2-4???
Aloha Maik's
#42 Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:34am
Was Karel on a zephyr last saturday?
#43 Wed, 12/08/2010 - 6:11pm
PA'A's Toys 4 Tots Race, Yes.
#44 Wed, 12/08/2010 - 7:25pm