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Wow, that must've been a tough race. Check out the minutes per mile. Pretty much establishes Kai as the world's best all-around paddler, regardless of conditions, in my opinion. Props to my bros Dave Daniels and Kekoa Bruhn-as well as everyone else who finished. Felicitations to Lewis Laughlin, for his Surfski victory! Californians, what happened to your guys' hero Danny Ching? I'll be checking the Mudbrook website for some fresh excuses from his Dad...
#1 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 12:45pm
his dad, Al Ching don't need to make excuses, he's a very cool guy who's contributed to the sport for the last 40 years. and his son does alright too... before you try starting a flame war, why don't you list what you've done?
#2 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 1:12pm
What I haven't done, ever, is make excuses for a poor performance, at paddling, work or anything else. That's something you learn growing up paddling on O'ahu. I notice Danny, to his credit, does not make excuses for himself in the public forum. Lookee here, Dacho, it was just a joke. Everyone knows Danny Ching will win all the big races in due time. And if Al Ching doesn't need to make excuses, then why does he do exactly that everytime his son has a subpar performance?
#3 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 1:31pm
actually it's none of my business... i don't live vicariously through someone else.. if someone kicks ass, then it don't matter if they're from hawaii, tahiti, oz, mainland, canada, or anywhere else. unless someone proves to be a dick, then their performance has my respect...
joke is a joke, it's nothing personal to me. grown men can take care of themselves without my help. but it trips me out when someone starts talking smack (unless they can back it up) out of left field.
btw: when is top 5 (or top 10 even) in any of the big races a "subpar" performance?
#4 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 1:50pm
ahhhh! which believes burning it as,…
ahhhh! das brennend es wie glaubt,…
ahhhh! it feels like, burning...
#5 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 2:03pm
No need to get all excited, Dacho, it's just something I noticed on the Mudbrook site. Making excuses is kapu in outrigger canoe paddling, My friend, and I thought I'd point that out. If cheering for guys you've paddled with is "living vicariously", then I'm guilty, guilty, guilty. Love, Jim.
#6 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 8:54pm
no excitement here... and you get an "attaboy"... cheer away. love back.
#7 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 2:11pm
I've noticed in paddling that there is usually an inverse relationship between how much someone talks and how well they paddle. I dont' see Kai, Karel or Danny taking the time to pipe in on these boards. They're too busy training. But don't disrespect a man you know nothing about.
And no disrespect to Luke Evslin who DOES contribute to this board, but is still an excellent paddler. I'm sure he's one of the exceptions. And Goto. And a few other guys I equally know nothing about.
Stash poopy jesus porn.
#8 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 2:30pm
The results have been updated. Take a look.
#9 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 2:43pm
I in the morning considered this relationship, which you speak of, I a perfect example of e02060 thoery. I more titter constantly on this forum and I not even dig! how is Lamé that?!? Like that my portion is to suck the discussion way out of whack. !!!
Whoa, I really used discussion, suck and whack in the same sentence, sweetly.
Ich habe dieses Verhältnis, das du von sprichst, I selbst morgens ein vollkommenes Beispiel von e02060 thoery beachtet. I titter ständig auf diesem Forum und ich nicht sogar schaufeln! wie ist Lamé der?!? So ist mein Anteil zu saugen dem Gespräch Ausweg von whack. JA!!!
Whoa, verwendete ich wirklich Gespräch, sauge und whack im gleichen Satz, süß.
I've noticed this relationship you speak of, I myself am a perfect example of e02060's theory. I titter constantly on this forum and I don't even paddle! how lame is that?!? So my proportion of talk to suck is way out of whack. YES!!!
Whoa, I actually used talk, suck and whack in the same sentence, sweet.
#10 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 10:53pm
One of the things I really love about paddling is the absence of people talking shit to each other. I've raced one man and six man on Oahu for a while now and can't remember a time when I saw a winner gloat. On the contary, there is a great deal of humility in outrigger canoe paddling. When someone beats you you tell them "Good race" when you win you remain humble and when someone congratulates you you just say "Thanks". You can tell a lot about a person in the way that they handle success.
As for the race...I watched the first four surfskis go by at Diamond Head. Lewis laughlin looked solid even that late in the race. The second place guy was coming in on a more southerly course. The guy in third place was running the surf line and looked like he had come in a lot earlier. He passed the second place guy outside of the lookout and was making good time with his inside line. You could see the second place guy get brain damage as he was passed.
Also, one of the sites had a list of all the DNFs. That was a story in itself. A lot of very good paddlers weren't able to make it. Guys like Kea and Marl Sandvold who are very tough paddlers yet succumbed to the conditions. Someone told me that Dean Gardiner didn't even leave the beach. What an unbelievable race.
Something else that occured to me about this race....with Lewis winning this race and the way the Tahitians dominated Molokai in October.....makes me wonder if people are going to start training with the single minded obsession that the Tahitians do. Some of the stories I've heard about their training are awe inspiring.
Edit..I got the humor in that, Jim :)
#11 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 5:25pm
Dear Grumpy Californians,
I'm a career mediocre paddler who nonetheless knows when an excuse is being made. If my pointing that out hurt your feelings, I'm sorry, but in my experience, this is not a sport for the thin-skinned. I mean no personal disrespect to any of your Heroes, especially Danny Ching, David Hasselhof, or any member of the 1987 Los Angeles Lakers. You're great and I'm a Loser. Shalomo, JimJimJimeca
#12 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 6:06pm
Dear Mediocre Jim,
I'm not Californian (although I'm sure you're very popular with them now) and I don't know him or you. Just thought it was a cheap shot at a guy (and his dad) who are in it like the rest of us. And being a father, it's hard not to put on the rose-colored glasses when you're talking about your kid.
Nuf said...peace!
#13 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 6:57pm
Danny stayed at my house the week before the solo he got the stomach flu on thursday and was still hurting on saturday, He still attempted to race so you have to give him alot of credit. That race was the most painful thing i've done and I think alot of people will agree with me on that. So even if you didn't finish it was still a great accomplishment to even have attempted it. So don't put a guy down especially for sunday.
#14 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 7:09pm
At least read the post before you comment on it. It wasn't that much of a put down. Sports stars have to deal with sh#t like that. BTW, good race, hapakid2.
#15 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 7:34pm
Going to a website to see what excuses he has. I would be kinda Put down by that. But anyway i'm not mad or anything I was just saying what happened to him. And thank you for the comment I got pretty lucky in this race.
#16 Mon, 05/21/2007 - 7:45pm
Hapakid2 exemplifies what's good in sport-he explains what happened to his friend, while downplaying his own terrific performance. That's not just luck, brother-and an excuse is still an excuse, no matter how well intentioned. e02060, is that really a cheap shot? Maybe in Victorian England or something. Now for e02060's standard paternalistic final word on the matter. The way this guy talks you'd think he's freakin' Vince Lombardi or something...
#17 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 2:41am
Hey Jim you need to eat more fruit.
#18 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 5:32am
Correction I meant you need to get laid.
#19 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 5:34am
7th place aint luck. Congratulations on an excellent race and a very good season, too.
#20 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 6:15am
Dear Mr. Jim,
What's your excuse for not racing?
#21 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 9:07am
Hey Hapa,
Good to meet you guys and catch up for a beer after the race... that was the toughest race I've done for sure - I'm just stoked I finished top 15! Good result for us paddlers from the Cook Islands - epecially with Reuben coming in fifth - they didn't even know his name when he paddled in... hahaha!. That race definitely sorted the men from the boys I reckon.
The paddlers from Kauai kick ass! - great bunch of guys and what an awesome place to hang out. I'm going back to do the relay race for sure next year... don't know about that Molokai Solo though!!!
Look forward to seeing you in Rarotonga some time, mahalo nui.
#22 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 10:53am
Good job to all who did the Molo solo!
#23 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 12:13pm
If I were Jim I would consider making a new account on ocpaddler and assume another name. Its like when its clearly impossible to everyone else that you can't dig any deeper they find some way chance in hell to do so. Go Jim...
Poops
#24 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 12:42pm
i think i'm a little late getting in on this, but oh well...
i didn't race, but i watched from Kelly's escort and i've never seen a race like that in my life. It went on.. and on.. and on... there is no way to describe (especially for me, who just watched) how hard that solo was (for those who did it). Usually if i'm watching a race that i'm not paddling in, i have this incessent urge to jump in the canoe and paddle... i never had the slightest desire on Sunday to switch places with anyone out there. Not to be corny... but i've never been so inspired to train hard then after watching that six and a half hour race. For everyone who was out there... congratulations.. that is probably the hardest oc-1 race there has ever been, and the hardest there will ever be for awhile (hopefully).
And, maybe it's a moot point already and doesn't deserve to be brought up again, but Jim, what you said was pretty lame.. no matter how you try and rephrase it or cover it up. If he does ever have a performance that is less than his usual.... then shouldn't he have an excuse? By the way, I never heard him mention stomach flu after the race.. he just said he didn't have any energy... if it were me, i would've been telling everyone i could that i was sick.... (i'm kind of speaking from experience on that one). I actually don't think i heard any excuses from anyone after the race.. it was just accepted that it was an incredibly brutal race... sorry again to bring up the excuse thing again, my excuse for being tardy on my response is that i've been travelling for the last 24 hours and wasn't able to check ocpaddler (by the way, keizo just graduated college on saturday.... which is probably his excuse for not putting the solo results up yet (i think that's pretty inexcusable though)) every ten minutes like usual.. alright... enough with the excuses...
Annnnywwwaaaayyyys, that wasn't the point of this post. I just wanted to say how amazing that race was to watch and everyone who took part in it (finish or not) should be pretty proud of what they did. And yeah, congratulations to the kaua'i guys.. 3rd, 4th, 7th (and 1st too if you want to include Kai as a Kaua'i guy)... not too shabby.
#25 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 12:52pm
I talked to Danny after the race, he didn't quit, his coach pulled him. Knowing Danny he would have gone till he passed out. Enough already.
#26 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 2:38pm
Just stirrin' the pot, people. It was gettin' a little stale around here. Kisses, Jimboramalamadingdong
#27 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 3:16pm
Yep, another genuine internet tough guy. Make some half-assed comments about people you know nothing about and events you did not participate in. See you on the water, brah.
#28 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 3:25pm
lol..
#29 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 3:39pm
Just wanted to say congrats to all who started and especially to those who finished. Even though I told the officials I was DNF, I was listed as 9th place. I emailed the officials again today but I noticed it has already been corrected. Main thing is that the guys who finished get the right standings. Now maybe I can get my name back on the results as DNF! (haha)
#30 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 3:50pm
.Sounds like you're familiar with the type...
#31 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 4:30pm
Considering you edited your original comment calling me out to fight, you couldn't avoid the bait....
#32 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 4:43pm
I'm down.
#33 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 4:46pm
Yeah, ok. I'll see you out in the schoolyard at recess tomorrow.
I'll admit to taking some of your bait. I happen to be one of Danny's teammates who raced on Sunday also and your little half-assed slights hit a little too close to home. Danny and his dad have done enormous things to start a canoe club, introduce countless people to paddling, and raise the performance level of all the people around them. They do this out of their own goodwill and ask for nothing in return. This is nothing unique in the paddling community. If you look at most clubs, and especially the ones with a long history, you'll find a family and a few commited individuals as the backbone. Because of these people, we get to enjoy paddling and Polynesian culture persists.
Instead of focusing on this pettyness, I would much rather hear more stories from Sunday. I can think of several. Kai showed that he is a tremendous champion. Look at the overall results and you'll see two women in the top 25. That is outstanding. There were also some new names (sort of) at the top of the results page. The Kaua'i boys, Australians, and Cook Islands contingent showed that the talent pool in the paddling world is spread across all the Hawaiian islands and throughout the Pacific. I can think of a few more but I'd rather hear from some others.
#34 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 5:44pm
Wow Jim,
Nearly 200 posts in less than 6 months. That has to be some kind of record.
Your right Danny is our hero out here in cali. Not because he's a great paddler, but because he trys to help every body else be better paddlers. He trains guys at 5am then another group at 10am then he'll coach our mens team at 5PM. In the past couple of years he has helped propel the sport to a whole new level in Cali and I could write pages about what his father has done for the sport.
Danny is without a doubt one of the top few paddlers in the world in any condition. If he doesn't perform at that level there probably is a reason. If his proud father wants to point those reasons out on his website, he's earned it. What have you earned besides a world record for posts in a 6 month period.
#35 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 6:27pm
Toughest race OF MY LIFE. I thank my escort boat coach and crew at the three hour mark for one keeping me in; and two for helping me back on the boat after a little flip. Once I got going again I had saw Lauren Bartlett pass me. I got going again caught a bunch of guys who passed me when thought I was belly up, but that women is so fast. I would make a push and think I would be close then she would again get away, I kept thinking to myself I'm not going to let a girl beat me (all the time knowing in the back of my head I was fighting a losing battle). To make matters worse at the five hour mark Lisa Curry-Kenny comes flying past me with speed I didn't think was possible at that time in the race and asks me how I'm doing. "I'm dead in the water (or something like that)" she says, "its ok theres only an hour left (both of use not realizing that we were still two hours from finishing)" Lucky for me I followed Lauren's line and got a little distance on her and the other guy who I was racing against. But again I say The Toughest Race OF MY LIFE.
#36 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 6:28pm
"DNF"? Crap, my gf used to call me that and never told me what it meant. Now I know.
#37 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 7:42pm
Sorry about that, Team Sensitive. Sometimes I shoot from the hip and it gets me in trouble like that. Danny is truly blessed to have such protective friends. I know I'm not the only one here to have noticed what I did, but you can be sure no one will speak their mind on it, given your heavy handed reaction. Make like I'm f#cking Hitler or something for crissakes. Tenderly, Jimbo
#38 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 7:59pm
uh, carried out I OH straight that I 252… 253 posts has. I am more a donkey than Jim. Hatch, although you did not run and Kellyschlag are you in your solo running of the latter… you still my hero. and close second in the hero classifications to the inventor of the three-way high grease-free Mokkas would go.
uh OH-, verwirklichte ich gerade, daß ich 252… 253 Pfosten habe. ich bin mehr eines Esels als Jim. Luke, obwohl du nicht liefst und Kellyschlag bist du in deinem solo Rennen des Letzten… du noch mein Held. und ein nahes zweites in den Heldklassifizierungen würden zum Erfinder des dreifachen hohen fettfreien Mokkas gehen.
uh oh, i just realized i have 252...253 posts. i'm more of a donkey than Jim.
luke even though you didn't race, and kelly beat you in your last solo race...you're still my hero. and a close second in the hero rankings would go to the inventor of the triple tall non-fat mocha.
#39 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 8:29pm
Yeah, but mine sind viele wie fequentliche.
#40 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 8:34pm
Jim you're an idiot.
#41 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 8:41pm
I resemble that remark!
#42 Tue, 05/22/2007 - 8:56pm
Poor Mediocre Jim. You're not Hitler, but let me take a few guesses at who you are. Every team has a "Mediocre Jim."
Dude...stop posting.
#43 Wed, 05/23/2007 - 3:01am
Sheeit. You think it's uncomfortable online, you should see it in real life. Maybe if you knew him, you'd understand. You're way too old to say "dude", dude. You'd probably talk about the "good ole days" also, if you had any. I've never surfskied in my life, and I never shy away from apples to apples comparisons. Should everyone else who disagrees with you ladies stop posting, too? Why do I keep posting. Because I'm right and you're wrong, simple as that. I like how you people stick together, though. Tender, sweet, lovings, Jim.
#44 Wed, 05/23/2007 - 3:46am
Jim your hubris will meet nemesis any day now. Wish I could watch. Ought to be ugly.
#45 Wed, 05/23/2007 - 6:16am
Again I say,"Jim you’re an idiot."
#46 Wed, 05/23/2007 - 7:01am
guys just give this up already
#47 Wed, 05/23/2007 - 7:21am
jim
amazing what a throw away stupid comment would get you, eh? it makes people think you're a kook. the real problem is the followup comments that confirm that you're a kook..
noticed that you edited your comment re: your years of past glory with foti, kai, karel, etc... what happened, didn't happen? i guess you can edit out the rest of your comments too... it must be easy not making excuses, since the only excuse you need is that you're mediocre (keep saying it, trust me i believe you)...
and of course that's kapu in outrigger canoe paddling... yeah, i'm glad you enlightened me on that one... i'll make sure to let the hawaiians know that..
straight out of the mouth of captain james kook...
you should write a book about that... maybe a followup to your other book "Don't Drop In On Me, I'm A Member Of The Wolfpack"
#48 Wed, 05/23/2007 - 7:30am
Item #1: Congrats to everyone who even attempted this race. Had I been there, I'm pretty sure I would have just stayed on the beach in Moloka'i if I knew it would end up like it did.
Item #2: In specific response to a previous post - I am not friends with anyone, especially not anyone who paddles outrigger canoes. I tried to make friends once in third grade, but without any reciprocation, so I gave up and learned a valuable lesson: Some things in life are difficult, and therefore not worth doing. I would advise you all to follow this same advice.
Muchas Aloja, goto.
#49 Wed, 05/23/2007 - 8:34am
i didn't want to say anything about this, i kept trying to make light of the thread earlier. But seriously, does anyone not come looking like kind of silly when you resort to slinging insults or making threats?
Especially to the tune of-
For people who seem to pride themselves on being mature, the subject matter really seems to be going in the opposite direction. Now understand, this comment is not meant to imply that I am more mature than anyone on the internet, this is just an observation. I am certainly less mature than most, not that that is good or bad either.
Flame on people, flame on. it has certainly been entertaining to watch.
edit: dang, forgot the translation...
#50 Wed, 05/23/2007 - 8:56am
...I wish someone would tell me to get laid. Then it might actually happen...
#51 Wed, 05/23/2007 - 9:02am
Hubris-wot is dat? Lone Wolf to Wolfpack,what does nemesis mean? Stay in your weight class, kids. Love, Big Jim
#52 Thu, 05/24/2007 - 6:29am
I trained with Danny Ching and Steve Sinkus and the rest of the Lanakila Cali team in 2005 as a rookie. Nobody who has ever paddled with Danny would ever doubt his commitment to training and above all the sport. As far as Al Ching is concerned he needs no one to back-up what he´s done for this sport over the past 40 years.
#53 Thu, 05/24/2007 - 11:41am