Molokai Hoe results 2007 - predicted.

Here is something interesting;
take the min/mile time from Molokai Hoe 2006 of your favorite team, multiply by 32, = the distance Henry Ayau, and use that as projected time for the Henry Ajau 2007. Then look up the actual time your team paddled Henry Ajau 2007; use this actual time, divide by 32 => min/mile 2007, and use that to calculate the projected Molokai Hoe 2007 time.

Lanikai I Molokai Hoe 2006 42 miles, average time: 7:17min/mile
Lanikai I Henry Ayau 2007 projected: 32 miles x 7:17 = 3:53:04 total projected,
actual time paddled Henry Ayau 2007 = 3:50:04

Lanikai II Molokai Hoe 2006 42 miles, average time: 7:54min/mile
Lanikai II Henry Ayau 2007 projected: 32 miles x 7:54 = 4:12:48 total projected,
actual time paddled Henry Ayau 2007 = 4:12:01

This suggests that Lanikai I has improved since last year; Lanikai II crew paddled for the very first time together in the Henry Ayau, further improvement can be expected until the Molokai Hoe.

Assuming that Lanikai I improves by 3 sec/mile and Lanikai II improves by 9 sec/mile during the next three weeks, then

Lanikai I Molokai Hoe 2007 => 5:03:48 ( time good for rank 5 2006)
Lanikai II Molokai Hoe 2007 => 5:25:30 ( good for rank 15 2006)

For OCC 3
OCC 3 Molokai Hoe 2006 42 miles, average time: 7:43 min/mile
OCC 3 Henry Ayau 2007 32 miles x 7:43 = 4:04:56 total projected,
actual time paddled Henry Ayau 2007 = 3:57:26

assuming they do not improve further during the next three weeks:
OCC 3 Molokai Hoe 2007 => projected 5:11:30 ( rank 8 2006)

As you can see the min/mile time from the Molokai Hoe predicted the actual time needed for the teams during the Henry Ayau 2007, almost one year later, quite accurately.

The overall time that will be needed for the Molokai Hoe can not easily be predicted as conditions have a strong influence.
The relative performance of teams remains quite stable, though. Therefore:

Molokai Hoe 2007

OCC1 rank 2.- 4.
Lanikai I rank 4.- 6.
OCC3 rank 8.-10.
Lanikai II rank 15.-17.
Tahiti teams:
Shell Vaa rank 1. - 2.
The runner up from last year rank 2. - 6.

Of course conditions matter, key paddlers may get injured etc.. However, when you look through race results from previous years, you can find surprising consistencies, really fascinating.
I think that all the top teams will have taken the preparation this year very serious, so everybody has improved and that will balance out.

Submitted by eckhart on Mon, 09/17/2007 - 11:33pm



Interesting exercise...

Couple of variables to consider: The mile pace for a 32 mile race (though I read somewhere the Henry race is 33 miles, which will change your math) will be slightly faster than the pace for the Molokai, as fatigue sets in and slows hull speed over the last 9-10 miles. What happens if you take the min/mile times from the Henry last year and try to predict the finishing times for last Sunday's race?

Not sure why Lanikai is expected to improve in your model while OCC2 remains static, I can assure you we will be going faster in the channel!

Also, when predicting the order of finish for 2007, I understand there will be 5 strong Tahitian crews instead of 3, and Team Tiger from Australia along with Team NZ are top 10 teams who did not participate last year. Top 10 will be quite an accomplishment this year...

Like to hear others predict the top 10...here is mine.

OCC1
Shell Vaa
Tahiti2
Hawaiian
Team NZ
Lanikai
Team Tiger
Tahiti3
Tahiti4
Mooloolaba

6 others who will contend for top 10:

OCC2
Lanakila
Tui Tonga
Tahiti 5
Livestrong
Leeward Kai


#1 Tue, 09/18/2007 - 11:52am


6 others who will contend for top 10:

OCC2
Lanakila
Tui Tonga
Tahiti 5
Livestrong
Leeward Kai WESTSIDE!!!


#2 Tue, 09/18/2007 - 2:00pm


Team Ni'ihau, Kane o Na Pali, Mokumana outrigger, and Kaiola....


#3 Tue, 09/18/2007 - 5:40pm


All of those calculations depend on actual distances of the race. In all the articles for Na Wahine this weekend, the Molokai race is listed as 41 miles instead of 42. At 7+ minutes per mile, that can make a big difference in your results.

Straight line course on Google Earth confirms approximately 32 miles for the Henry race. Of course we all know, that crews rarely follow a straight line to Diamond Head for Molokai... but if they did, according to Google Earth the race is 41 miles. A slight North course (straight to Koko Head, then direct to DH) adds on about half a mile and running inside Maunalua Bay adds another half a mile.

Seems like a fun exercise, but the conditions and currents affect speed so much that I am not sure it is valid. Otherwise, why would anyone add an extra mile onto their course by going to Kokohead and then inside the bay? Because it can be faster.


#4 Wed, 09/19/2007 - 10:24am


Hi bigjed

The assumption that OCC would not improve over the next week is based on the fact that they are fast already ... It's intended humor actually :) - I am glad it worked; you will also be able to identify which boat I paddled in.
I like your top ten and I am sure you all will improve over the next three weeks.

Why did I come up with that comparison ? If you look at the women's results from Hawaii Kai to Nanakuli 2006 vs 2007, you will see that they are almost identical. It's surprising.

Hi Rachel

the actual distance paddled during the races is actually quite a bit longer per GPS; all the little course corrections add up. If I remember correctly the GPS two years ago was closer to 46 miles actual distance paddled for our team.

My question is: can previous performance in min/mile be used to predict future performance over one year time ? The answer seems to be - yes.
How accurate would that prediction be ? Looking at race results on www.pacificsportsevents.com: surprisingly accurate.

This seems to be consistently true, unless you have major changes:

  • As you all point out, new teams enter the race - you could use their long distance min/mile time and plug it in.
  • A top paddler may change the club, see Kai Bartlett.
  • If you see the tremendous improvement of OCC1 in min/mile: they are paddling the new Mirage from Outrigger Connection !
  • I would suspect that they have also made substantial changes to their training systems, as all their teams are really good. Can you comment on that bigjed ?
    A club may start to train lactate- or at least heart rate guided.

I just wish all paddlers in the field to be at their personal best and stay healthy, to enjoy what they are doing; whoever crosses the finish line first, that's a different story.


#5 Wed, 09/19/2007 - 4:35pm


f... off yun stop pushing your shit here


#6 Mon, 07/12/2010 - 11:49pm


Tell Keizo, he'll block him.


#7 Tue, 07/13/2010 - 7:22am


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#8 Tue, 07/13/2010 - 9:44am


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