from the finish line at 12:15pm. the word a new record time of 4 hrs and 40 mins
1 Shell Va'a
2 OPT
3 Team NZ/HI
4 Hawaiian
5 Venus
6 Piare
7 Lanikai
8 Outrigger
9 OPT
10 Team Tiger
well off to the beach.....see you on the water.
Submitted by passion4paddling on Sun, 10/07/2007 - 12:27pm
Poopsie-
I'd hate to see you give a fecal sample.
#71 Tue, 10/16/2007 - 1:46pm
Too bad they don't drug test with fecal samples. Then I be the super advocate of drug testing of the universe.
#72 Tue, 10/16/2007 - 1:47pm
diginity? i got your dignity right here buddy!
#73 Tue, 10/16/2007 - 1:48pm
Hey man I'm with jc9. I'm full of dignity. FULL
#74 Tue, 10/16/2007 - 1:50pm
You know what they say: "A little dignity goes a long way."
...see also: "I'll be all over you like flies on dignity."
..."Dignity - it's not just after coffee anymore."
#75 Tue, 10/16/2007 - 2:21pm
P'op'opaddler, I do not disagree with you.
It is true that some teachers use drugs.
Should that make you test all of them ? It is not an easy answer, imo.
Being a teacher implies highest standards of personal integrity.
Drug testing them all seems to deny that.
Even with drug tests you don't avoid the black sheep; its the nature of greed and envy.
In the end you have 'big brother watches you'; test everybody for everything. And of course that has its merits.
It's a rather important question. Who determines what is being tested ?
Let's say a teacher has a certain religion, or none, and the child's family has a different one, or none.
Are you willing to be screened for genetic defects before you will be allowed to have a child ?
All right, not really about paddling, so I'll stop. My point: don't be too quick to embrace this new culture of testing everything and everyone.
I'd prefer to keep it simple: if you cheat, well, you seem to need it.
btw, should Viagra be listed ? :)
#76 Tue, 10/16/2007 - 2:27pm
eckhart, genetic screening is a very different issue. Genetics is something you don't have much of a choice with, drug use is a choice. Its an illegal choice, and one that can have significant consequences to a child if their teacher is using drugs, and seeing the problems recently with teachers using and dealing drugs, its really a no brainer. If you are not using drugs then testing will clear you. No dignity lost, it proves are a person of integrity.
To bring religion into this is really stretching it and it doesn't even merit a rebuttal.
poops
#77 Tue, 10/16/2007 - 2:44pm
Procreation is a choice, genetic material is not. The doesn't-have-anything-to-do-with-paddling point (as I interpret it) was:
people's genetic material tested to determine whether they are allowed to procreate = people's pee content tested to determine whether they are allowed to compete.
Sorry eckhart if I'm misinterpreting, but isn't that your point?
I personally think everyone should be tested for everything and placed on appropriate psychotropic medication(s) before being allowed to interact with others. (but then this forum wouldn't exist! ;))
#78 Tue, 10/16/2007 - 3:16pm
p'op'opddlr, genetic screening is a different issue, absolutely. As an example it comes into play when you want to discuss where to draw the line, privacy etc..
Some teachers use drugs, I don't know if they do that more commonly than other professional groups. Some of those may be reckless criminals, most of them are likely sick in the wider sense, in need of treatment. Nobody wants them to teach.
Following the 'testing' logic:
everybody has a social function and could do harm, therefore everybody needs to be tested.
Next in line: coach of the open man's program :)
I do not agree with the concept that I am forced to prove my 'innocence' just because.
? Future: Kanaka Ikaika races:
You have to pee in a cup and I have to paddle as a 'bandit'.
#79 Tue, 10/16/2007 - 7:47pm
I noticed only two guys from Shell were in Super Aito, and of these only Karyl Maoni was top ten. I've heard people say Shell is an All-Star/Pro team. If so, what is the crew selection process?
#80 Wed, 10/17/2007 - 4:42am
Re: drug testing. There would be absolutely no need to drug test all of the paddlers of a race, why test the team that finished 40th or 60th? If they are using drugs, it's obvious they are not the performance enhancing kind! If there was a "pro" class and an "amateur" class, you could randomly test the pro's and possibly the top 5 teams in the pro division. If for some reason an amateur class team won the whole thing, by all means test them.
The only way to get around the accusations of cheating is to submit the winners, or top few teams to a test. If they know before hand that a test is coming if they win, then they shouldn't be concerned if it occurs.
I personally don't give a s&*% if they test people, but it is obvious that there will always be this discussion about cheating if they don't test the top finishers.
#81 Wed, 10/17/2007 - 6:04am
Having raced bikes for most of my life I find this discussion about testing interesting. Firstly, any good doctor can get you past the tests. You only have to look at all the pro cyclists who have admitted to performance enhancing drug use who have never tested positive despite being tested over and over. So testing doesn't necessarily give you a level playing field.
Secondly, performance enhancing drugs won't turn a really good athlete (much less an average one) into a great one. We're talking performance gains of a percent or two, and Shell was way more than that in front of NZ/HI and the rest. Face it, for the last two years Shell has been THE team.
At this years Tour de France, the number one pro team, CSC, wore black wrist bands that read, HARDEN THE F*CK UP (no asterisk on theirs). And thats what it will take.
#82 Wed, 10/17/2007 - 7:16am
I took some performance enhancing drugs and look what happened to me! (see attached).
Yeah, taking drugs is so easy, a caveman could do it!
#83 Wed, 10/17/2007 - 8:08am
Wait, are we talking about this kind of performance enhancing drug?
#84 Wed, 10/17/2007 - 8:36am
Or this kind of performance enhancing drug?
#85 Wed, 10/17/2007 - 8:38am
eckhart, my names poopoopaddler. Not po'opo'opaddler or as you write p'op'opaddler or whatever. Its POOPOO like DOODOO. you know KAKA. The brown (usually) stuff that comes out of your ass or some of us our mouths...
#86 Thu, 10/18/2007 - 12:07pm
That's your name ?
Sorry for misspelling it - so many os in there. Thank you for clarifying, kaka is easier for me to understand.
#87 Thu, 10/18/2007 - 10:26pm
Growing up in the foothills of the Koolau mountain range I naturally discovered cross-country skiing as a wee tot. Day in, and day out - always with the XC skis. I shushed my way to and from school every weekday, and sometimes went out on long weekend runs to Kaaawa and back. Needless to say, I got pretty frickin' good on those b*tches! So good in fact, that an olympic dream was born when I first saw XC ski racing on TV at the 1984 LA games. SWEET! But, alas, those dreams were short lived. Much to my dismay, upon seeing how m-f'ing fast those Finlandians could go, I realized I would never be an Olympian. So I gave it up, because like my grandpa used to say, "Goto my boy, nothing difficult is ever worth doing." I took those words to heart, and gave up XC skiing forever.
So, you ask, what the F does this have to do with anything?
Plenty.
OC paddling should never be an olympic sport because then there will just be that many MORE people who can go faster than me, and that would suck.
PS - does "worldwide participation" really have anything to do with what becomes an olympic sport or not? because if someone tries to tell me that fricking trampolining has more participants across the world than OC paddling, I will call them crazy.
#88 Fri, 10/19/2007 - 9:35am
Hey look! It's people just like us, except WAY LAMER...
http://www.trampoline.co.uk/
#89 Fri, 10/19/2007 - 9:36am
they are british!!!!
#90 Fri, 10/19/2007 - 6:35pm
Goto, with your compact physique, you would totally dominate that sport!
#91 Fri, 10/19/2007 - 7:15pm
Goto, I think you need organizations in a sports discipline in 22 countries before you can become olympic.
#92 Fri, 10/19/2007 - 8:41pm
And you need an Olympic size boto.
#93 Sat, 10/20/2007 - 2:35am