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fuzerider, if you don't plane in your OC6, maybe you're using a too small paddle... or you're avoiding those downwind runs when the wind is strong ?
Pro-chines or cons are just waste of time. Sometimes it's fun and sometimes you're just trying to sell your boats...Â¨not funnt anymore.
When a paddler performs well, it's because he has an unfair advantage from his equipment. When he makes a bad performance, it's because the wind or the waves or the sun or the food,etc. The paddler's talent and training count for nothing in his wins or loses...
It is becoming boring to hear or read such bullshit !

Sorry if I upset someone.

#71 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 4:29pm

Smackdown!!!

#72 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 4:46pm

You got that right Hiro C.

#73 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 8:33pm

HiroC nice man. Word!

#74 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:30pm

what he said ^^^

#75 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 10:27pm

fuze rider, did you do the solo and do you paddle when its rough to experience the chines in action? but im sure the chines were the reason jr won...he probably doesnt train or know how to surf.

#76 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 11:06pm

OK Let's put.... Woody Allen on a brand new canoe with chines, and todays top paddlers on canoes designed 20 years ago.
Would you bet 1000$ on Mr Allen ?

#77 Tue, 04/29/2008 - 11:38pm

This isnt the praise the great paddler thread , its the Zephyr OC1 thread . Youngbucks question is a good one. The answer is yes the chines do work well when its fast conditions. But you want to keep in mind that from a designers perspective the issue isn`t wether or not chines work well at high speeds , as time goes by evidence is showing they function very nicely when the ocean is fairly fast.
The tougher question for the designer is how to incorporate chines on a particular design without having an adverse affect on the canoes performance at the lower end of the canoes speed range.

This ,I think has been accomplished pretty well at OC.

Chines aren`t a patentable feature, anyone who builds canoes can freely add them if they were so inclined.

Personally , and this totally my own opinion coming from a canoe racer with 35 plus years of racing experience and many thousands of miles paddling all kinds of boats in all kinds of waters all over the world.

It is foolish to think that a simple round bottomed hull is the best possible shape for a paddle powered ocean canoe that has a potential speed range from between 6 and close to 20 mph. JR has seen 19 mph on his gps and even I`ve seen 16 mph on mine right here in Maine.

Karel might be crazy but hes crazy like a fox, the innovations will continue to pour out of he shop in Kailua now that hes free to do what he likes to do best....... innovate and improve canoe design.

And like I said before , we all win if the innovation keeps coming regardless of whom it`s coming from......

http://maineoutriggerchampionships.blogspot.com/

#78 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 6:11am

Hiro...you're my hero.

#79 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 3:31am

35 years of paddling all over the world and you still dont know how to make a six man plane.. That sucks

#80 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 4:23am

That's it in a nutshell; how to implement planing-speed design improvements on a hull that is raced in less than planing speeds the majority of time, without compromising speed when not planing. Sure, an OC6 has it's planing moments, but not enough to warrant the implementation of characteristics for those speeds. Also, what else would you need to do in order to not let the chines interfere with other design aspects. And what about regulations? Seems there's a lot of difficulty in getting a new OC6 design allowed to race. As for OC1, anything goes.

These OC1 hulls have a lot more than chines going on. If you're gonna add chines, other aspects of the hull have to be modified to make them work without hurting flatwater speed. You can't just slap on chines to any hull and expect an improvement.

But again, it's the paddler. KJr is a phenomenal downwinder that has many hours in KSr's boats so he's super comfortable in that boat. Same goes with the other paddlers and thier own craft. This sport ain't big enough for top paddlers to go around swapping sponsors to find the best boat; they stick with sponsors who back them and work with what they have, and what they have is pretty damn fast; all of them.

The top boats, chines or not, are all super fast and super rangy, enough to give any good paddler a chance for podium.

As for the Zephyr, it's a damn well built boat with contemporary design features that make it competitive with the other top boats. That's all you can ask for a boat, eh?

#81 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 7:09am

"As for the Zephyr, itâ€™s a damn well built boat with contemporary design features that make it competitive with the other top boats."

The Zephyr is much more than a damn well built boat. It's been proven to make you 53.45% faster than you were in conditions that are almost planable but somewhat sub-optimal to conditions that were just about conducive to planing. You will pull hotter chicks or guys. You will drink all your friends under the table, if you drink. You will smoke all your friends under the table, if you smoke. If you do neither of the above, then you may not be ready for the Zephyr. If you own a Zephyr, you will need to hire security guards for all of the paparrazi that will follow you around. Finally, if none of this made sense to you, don't worry because I'm making it up as I go along.

#82 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 7:40am

Zephyrrider,
You're not paying attention. You forgot to include your animal metaphor or simile. Bat out of hell, spooked horse, and crazy like a fox have all been taken. Come up with your own. Here are some more rules for marketing your product on open forums.

When promoting products, it's important to:
1. Use animal metaphors as often as possible.
2. Mask uncertainty with vague terms
3. Sprinkle "scientific" sounding words and statements into the discussion without actually saying anything useful.
4. Site personal anecdotes as scientific fact ("I once hit 11 mph on my boat, so it was definitely the chines."
5. Disguise your lies in the form of a question.(e.g. "Everyone knows that chines help, but how much?")
6. Change the subject or start a new thread if it isn't going your way.

Good luck!

#83 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:33am

and of course you can always use the vague "they"...

"they say that planing speeds double with the use of the vulva shaped
tail section..."

it's used similar to how you would use "the lady"... as in:

"huh? you're charging me double for those boards? i just talked to the lady and she said that you were waiving that fee..."

#84 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 9:15am

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#85 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 3:27pm

â€œthey say that planing speeds double with the use of the vulva shaped
tail sectionâ€¦â€

I haven't seen this type of canoe yet... Beware dacho, I am designing a brand new canoe with male attributes at the bow...

Let me introduce it (if I may say so) in e02060 way :

The DONKEY is the new revolutionnary canoe, as fast as a stallion but as stable as a turtle.
It has a Macho Bow Sexion design that will make other paddlers feel ashamed (in fact every paddler but 247365) and is specialy made to match datcho's canoe's stern.
It's ama will make you feel like you're paddling on the back of an albatross... well a one-winged albatross !
Some paddlers told us how surprising our new design is and they all insist on the fact that it has to be paddled differently. This is for us a great info that will be taken into account when starting the mass production of our new wonder the DONKEY
It has an optionnaly brand new feature called the TROJAN.
Instead of using old fashioned polyester gel-coat, we coated the hull with a lubricated latex skin.
This skin has the property to make you glide 2538.16% faster and 4623.2%(+-15.324%) further than if you were paddling a bath tub covered with a sheep skin.
Moreover the TROJAN reppels staphs and protects you from any paddling related infections.
You can either get the DONKEY with or without the TROJAN skin. But for their own safety we insist that paddlers of the DONKEY TEAM never go out without the TROJAN.
Of course the hull is super strong and super rigid due to the use of military grade carbon kevlar and a secret new formulated resin, developed by the NASA, that is avalaible for us because we know the brother in law of the girl who is the nurse of the children of the neighbours of the... can't remember exacly but we do use this secret formula in the glassing of our canoes.
Woody Allen, who is our factory paddler, once rammed the Super Ferry with the prototype. The canoe is so strong that he actually made a hole in the Ferry.
The glide given by the trojan is such that he even went trough the ferry and made another hole when exiting on the other side and kept paddling back to our workshop.
Did you know that paddling a DONKEY will turn Vegemite into Honey ?
Since Vegemite is known to transform any nerd into a world class paddler, you want to eat some !
Unfortunately The taste and the smell are such that Rambo seem to be the only one to be able to take pleasure eating it.
Paddling a DONKEY will change your life. You might even get your picture photoshoped and be mistaken with fuzerider !
BTW I'm going for a poo.

PS dacho,
"The lady" said she like the TROJAN feature !

#86 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 6:43pm

hiro,
does your canoe have a ribbed option? for her pleasure of course...

#87 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 7:28pm

Once again, I have to bow down in deference to the Tahitians. Their paddling and smack talking puts everyone else to shame.

Is the Donkey rudderless or can the more mortal paddlers among us get a rudder?

#88 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 7:34pm

The DONKEY can be made ruddered or rudderless, chined or chineless, ama'ed or amaless, It's all up to you. All you need to do is to BELIEVE that this canoe WILL make you WIN. You will never have to suffer training sessions anymore. Instead you will have plenty of time to sit on the beach, drink beers and be a POSEUR (see new thread)

Needles to say that if you buy a DONKEY you imediately become a member of THE DONKEY RIDERS and there will be a DONKEY waiting for you in any part of the world you might travel...

#89 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:56pm

a donkey's rudder would be too much drag anyways

#90 Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:53pm

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#91 Fri, 03/02/2012 - 9:20am

Hiro C., nice work. How can you be so funny in what must be your 3rd language? You must be all-world in french or Tahitian.

#92 Thu, 05/01/2008 - 4:31am

Yeah , I agree with that . Hiro C. How would you like to be that last Outrigger Connection team rider I`ve been promising to introduce, A super good sense of Humor is the primary ingredient in becoming one of us.... The strong , brave and free, Zephyr Riders...

http://maineoutriggerchampionships.blogspot.com/

#93 Thu, 05/01/2008 - 4:48am

Hiro C. I'm loving it. I cant wait for the movie.

#94 Thu, 05/01/2008 - 5:12am

Hiro C and others,

I too used to get wound up about all of the hyping and crazy statements about boats, companies and dealers from certain posters, but then I rembered back to when I was at UH and would cut class due to that one extra pitcher of beer and turn on ESPN at the dorm to watch the sport? of .... tractor pulling.

I now view the crazy product pumping posters as fans at a tructor truck pull. For all of you young ones-Tractor pulling came before Monster trucking.

No matter what they will always support and root for "CHEVY" or "FORD", until the day they die

The announcer would say "LETS HEAR IT YOU CHEVY FANS!"

Then in unison 300 men in jeans, sleeveless, or the famous 1/2 shirt, chewing tabacco truckers hat, plastic cup of beer, lit cigarette in hand and one in mouth(I never figured that out-I guess in case you dropped one you were ready to go) would stand and stick fist is air and yell "CHEVVVVYY. Hell Yeah"

No matter what type of logic you try to use, they think the Chevy will always, has always, and alway will be the best no matter what!

That is product pimping posters in a nut shell.

My favorite was when someone on the forum asked about buying a OC-1 who was 240 pounds and paddling in Maui Waters.

The immediate answer flying in from the East Coast was Fusion.

Does the person giving the advice know what it is like to paddle at 240 pounds? No
Paddles often in Maui Waters? No
Know the price range of the purchaser? No
Know the experience level of paddler? No
Know the arm length, length length, and paddling technique? No

But the answer was immediately "Fusion" or should I say "CHEVVVVY" Hell Yeah

Another matter to think about is how the new OC-1s are looking more and more alike and following the same design characteristics.

Also I would like to see an advanced OC-2 designed around some of the concepts of the Zephyr, Kainalu, Scorpious.

#95 Thu, 05/01/2008 - 11:09am

Last year I wanted to trade my "old" V1 (2001 model) for a brand new one. Two different canoe shapers I talked to told me the same thing, that If I was willing to give them 150 000cfp (2000$), they would take the money. But they also told me that they knew I was not going to go faster or surf better with their canoes because the one I have is a very good one, and that I could think about a lot of better ways to spend my money... what I did, I bought a new surfski, and I'm still paddling the same V1.
Those two shapers are so nice that one of them even told me that my V1 performs better than his model in the surf...

#96 Sun, 05/04/2008 - 11:48am

And Hiro, i bet that's where you will go when the time does come to upgrade or renew. Because of their actions, you know they are trustworthy and not just after your $. I suspect most if not all the manufacturers in Tahiti are like that.

Nice story.

Cheers Rambo

#97 Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:51pm

Anyway, the best canoe builders have so many orders that you have to wait to get your canoe done. Yuo just can't walk in the shop and go back home with your new toy. Thus they are not desperately trying to sell you something... It's just like surfboards shapers. Some take time to discuss with you to get info to make the best board for you, while some other will just try to sell you whatever board is in the shop at that time...

#98 Mon, 05/05/2008 - 8:14pm

Just a small section of the beach front at Papeete, Tahiti.

Rambo

#99 Mon, 05/05/2008 - 9:10pm

Looks noce... But this is a dirty place. Paddlers are waiting for years for facilities like showers, toilets, etc. Papeete's mayor just doesn't seem to care.
This beach front is in the Port where the water is not always so clean...
I'm happy to be in Huahine ! Will post a pic later.

#100 Mon, 05/05/2008 - 10:39pm

Must be a mad rush to the Port when a Cyclone or Hurricane is eminent. Further down the beach is an area where the canoes are stored on stilts above the water. Have a picture some where.

Rambo

#101 Mon, 05/05/2008 - 10:58pm

Just put your canoe on the ground and fill it with water... no wind is gonna make it fly. That's what I've always been doing with my boat (similar to a Boston Whaler 14")

#102 Tue, 05/06/2008 - 7:41pm

Hiro C, in the middle of Rambos pic is a 3 man. Hows that paddle and surf? Theres one where I live but its in not so good condition, worth trying to get and fix up? Does it run well in the flats? does it surf at all?

#103 Tue, 05/06/2008 - 8:03pm

It depends of the shape of the hull...
My club (Tua Rua Va'a) owns a V3 that is made for SUUUURFIIIIIIING. Very light and with a flat and large hull. You need 2 Hammering paddlers and there she goes... This canoe is not easy on the steerer because it's so light it reacts to every movement the paddlers are making and the volume on the nose and tail makes it sensible to the wind... But for me it's The fun Machine.
The next club on the beach (Mata'irea Ho'e) owns a V3 that is very different. Same width as a V1, i.e. less than your OC1. The hull has a pronounced V shape and it does not surf well... but it is the fastest V3 in a speed race on flat water. Do not ever think to paddle this one if your weight is over 75kg. This V3 has been made for light paddlers.
Anyway, whatever shape yours is, I think it is always worth to give a canoe a new life. And V3 is a great training for a team. You're not alone as you can be on a V1, and there is no place to hide for one trying to paddle like a tourist...

#104 Tue, 05/06/2008 - 8:22pm

I just worked out a deal so that we can get it up and running again actually. I'll take a few before pics and then in a few weeks you'll get some after pics hopefully. The other 2 guys and I all weigh about 180 Lbs but we have to build an ama and iakos from scratch so maybe well keep in mind the weight factor when we build those.

#105 Wed, 05/07/2008 - 11:15am