Hooking the canoe or turning it .The firs thing I notice when I see others turn a canoe is they do what I call a cross bow or cross pull. Which will eventually turn the canoe. But if you can hook the canoe its wood on canoe then pushing water . kind of like if your car was in a ditch and you wanted to use a board to leverage it out and you asked your best paddlers to hold the middle of the boar with hands and you pried.
That just looks like WAY to much work. Everyone’s faces look like they’re giving birth! Seriously…turning a canoe should be easy. During the World Sprints in Aotearoa last year I experienced the kind of turn that these guys in the pictures are doing. Those canoes in NZ don’t turn like the Hawai’i wa’a so maybe that is why these guys look like they are in pain…the canoes are built for straight-away speed and not turning.
Why are the guys in the middle kahi-ing? They should be paddling forward and only 1,2 and 6 (sometimes 5) turn the boat. There should be as little white water coming off the blade and the uni and kahi should be deep and powerful…not scratching the surface of the water.
Uni= poking, 1 and 6 do this on opposite sides of the canoe
kahi= taking a stroke at an angle from the canoe, 90-45 degrees, 2 and sometimes 5 does this.
Does anyone have video of a regatta turn that you could post for these guys…they need some help!
Mikala
No…won’t be going to WS in Cali. Too expensive to TRYOUT for us Hawaiian paddlers.
Great picture of your niece.
And yeah…which one are you in the pictures of the turn?
Mikala
Are you talking about Uni or Kahi?
If you interested in turning techniques, get the book “Art of Steering” from Kanu Culture.
I don’t think any true Hawaiians would appreciate the word “hooking” used in paddling.
I think the proper spelling for a poke in seat 1 is UNE, not UNI. Une means “to lever, or to pryâ€, which is what the stroke does in the turn. The word “uni†does not appear in my Hawaiian dictionary. This mispelling is common on club websites and the new Kanukulture books. Source, Hawaiian Dictionary, Mary Kawena Pukui, University Press of Hawaii, 1973. However, if someone has better information, it would be helpful.
No disrespect intended . that’s me popping the ama. I don’t sit there much. Telling by time I’m not sure but by strokes its faster and in our races there is many canoes all reaching the corner at the same time and turning the canoe is important part of our races not to say we all turn under the canoe but it’s always a debate on efficiency info thats good for sprint races.
While Mikala’s Hawaiian may not be spot on, believe me, she knows what she is talking about. She’s got serious credentials. There is more to a regatta turn than her brief explanation but maybe if you are nice she’ll give you a more detailed explanation of how to do a turn correctly. (Popping the ama is not part of it).
Seriously, set up the turn so seat one unes(pokes) while seat two kahis(pulls) for only two or three strokes. Everyone else keep paddling, but not super hard, as the boat slides around that buoy. Start your uni/kahi just as the front of the ama gets to the buoy. The key is letting the boat slide. Uni too long-come to a complete stop almost. Of course it helps to have a Foti steering! It’s all in the approach to the turn- never too sharp! Go easy weasy…
I skip most of the time once I tried putting my knee up, and a little over the side of the gunnels enough to hold the middle of the paddle while my two hands held the top of the paddle and started prying to turn .and it grabbed great , it slammed my opposite hip back in the canoe and I broke my blade. It goes back to leverage and something solid against something solid . If I pry like I always do I have my arm holding the water but this way its my knee.
Thanks Mikala My niece is 15 and she showed us that turn at 12 years old no one showed her.
Where’s Haole? our races are much like potlatches and in our race anyone is welcome.
436 Posts
I do all my hooking on Hotel Street.
No, seriously… what?
…and that’s a SCIENTIFIC FACT!
Go Kailua!
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 1:43pm
708 Posts
Whoa, this thread belongs in the craiglist personals section.
Yikes
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 2:26pm
426 Posts
check it out
Listen….I can hear the water calling.
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 3:54pm
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I hook in Waikiki. I got more class than goto.
P.S. Is that like a chinese firedrill?
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 4:31pm
817 Posts
not sure i understand what is being written or what the hell the guys in that picture are doing.
C.P.L.
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 4:37pm
817 Posts
Get with it you guys’ … they’re “hookin’ round a turn buoy, it’s a turning technique … might help ya on da street, but I’m too old for that. hahaa
Rambo
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Thu, 11/29/2007 - 5:13pm
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This is an example of how not to do a regatta turn. Mulu…what is your first language….it might help everyone to translate.
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 6:07pm
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canoe
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Listen….I can hear the water calling.
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 6:30pm
426 Posts
oops the pic’s came in a backward order . back to front
Listen….I can hear the water calling.
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 6:34pm
817 Posts
i swear it’s the google translator, but without the original text included. i might have to return to my roots.
C.P.L.
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 7:33pm
436 Posts
I want to race those guys.
…and that’s a SCIENTIFIC FACT!
Go Kailua!
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 7:52pm
20 Posts
Mulus
What the heck was that
Pilikua
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 4:06am
426 Posts
Hooking the canoe or turning it .The firs thing I notice when I see others turn a canoe is they do what I call a cross bow or cross pull. Which will eventually turn the canoe. But if you can hook the canoe its wood on canoe then pushing water . kind of like if your car was in a ditch and you wanted to use a board to leverage it out and you asked your best paddlers to hold the middle of the boar with hands and you pried.
Using the hook turns much faster.
Or not?
Listen….I can hear the water calling.
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 5:54am
115 Posts
That just looks like WAY to much work. Everyone’s faces look like they’re giving birth! Seriously…turning a canoe should be easy. During the World Sprints in Aotearoa last year I experienced the kind of turn that these guys in the pictures are doing. Those canoes in NZ don’t turn like the Hawai’i wa’a so maybe that is why these guys look like they are in pain…the canoes are built for straight-away speed and not turning.
Why are the guys in the middle kahi-ing? They should be paddling forward and only 1,2 and 6 (sometimes 5) turn the boat. There should be as little white water coming off the blade and the uni and kahi should be deep and powerful…not scratching the surface of the water.
Uni= poking, 1 and 6 do this on opposite sides of the canoe
kahi= taking a stroke at an angle from the canoe, 90-45 degrees, 2 and sometimes 5 does this.
Does anyone have video of a regatta turn that you could post for these guys…they need some help!
Mikala
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 6:55am
426 Posts
Ill check on vid,s. i just used theys pic couse we were flying the ama.are you going to Califonia world sprints?heres a pic of my niec she’s fast.
Listen….I can hear the water calling.
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 7:35am
87 Posts
Mulus…which one are you in the picture?
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 7:47am
115 Posts
No…won’t be going to WS in Cali. Too expensive to TRYOUT for us Hawaiian paddlers.
Great picture of your niece.
And yeah…which one are you in the pictures of the turn?
Mikala
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 8:00am
93 Posts
Are you talking about Uni or Kahi?
If you interested in turning techniques, get the book “Art of Steering” from Kanu Culture.
I don’t think any true Hawaiians would appreciate the word “hooking” used in paddling.
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 11:38am
140 Posts
Nem0,
Mulus (Mike Billy) and his crew paddle native dugout and longboats ( sometimes against OC-1s and OC-6s! )
Mulus is referring to a “hook” stroke or J stroke, a common term in Canadian canoe. I’m confident he meant no disrespect.
BTW, he’s the sturdy fella in stroke.
cheers,
Roscoe
www.outrigger.ca
www.theoceanexperience.blogspot.com
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 12:58pm
36 Posts
mulus,
Have you tried both techniques? And if so, have you noticed any difference at all between them with respect to times?
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 2:42pm
7 Posts
I think the proper spelling for a poke in seat 1 is UNE, not UNI. Une means “to lever, or to pryâ€, which is what the stroke does in the turn. The word “uni†does not appear in my Hawaiian dictionary. This mispelling is common on club websites and the new Kanukulture books. Source, Hawaiian Dictionary, Mary Kawena Pukui, University Press of Hawaii, 1973. However, if someone has better information, it would be helpful.
ocone
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 4:38pm
426 Posts
No disrespect intended . that’s me popping the ama. I don’t sit there much. Telling by time I’m not sure but by strokes its faster and in our races there is many canoes all reaching the corner at the same time and turning the canoe is important part of our races not to say we all turn under the canoe but it’s always a debate on efficiency info thats good for sprint races.
Listen….I can hear the water calling.
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 6:29pm
892 Posts
Are members of the Haole tribe allowed to race?
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 7:59pm
87 Posts
While Mikala’s Hawaiian may not be spot on, believe me, she knows what she is talking about. She’s got serious credentials. There is more to a regatta turn than her brief explanation but maybe if you are nice she’ll give you a more detailed explanation of how to do a turn correctly. (Popping the ama is not part of it).
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 8:08pm
892 Posts
Seriously, set up the turn so seat one unes(pokes) while seat two kahis(pulls) for only two or three strokes. Everyone else keep paddling, but not super hard, as the boat slides around that buoy. Start your uni/kahi just as the front of the ama gets to the buoy. The key is letting the boat slide. Uni too long-come to a complete stop almost. Of course it helps to have a Foti steering! It’s all in the approach to the turn- never too sharp! Go easy weasy…
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 8:15pm
892 Posts
Everyone else keep paddling except for 6 and maybe 5, that is.
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 8:18pm
426 Posts
I skip most of the time once I tried putting my knee up, and a little over the side of the gunnels enough to hold the middle of the paddle while my two hands held the top of the paddle and started prying to turn .and it grabbed great , it slammed my opposite hip back in the canoe and I broke my blade. It goes back to leverage and something solid against something solid . If I pry like I always do I have my arm holding the water but this way its my knee.
Thanks Mikala My niece is 15 and she showed us that turn at 12 years old no one showed her.
Where’s Haole? our races are much like potlatches and in our race anyone is welcome.
Listen….I can hear the water calling.
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 8:52pm