Who will win the big one this year ? Wich paddler has what it takes to win this years Kaiwi Oc1 race ? Will it be a Hawaiian , a Tahitian ? , a California Kid ? For me I would lean towards two Hawaiian paddlers Kai and Jr . I mean these guys are on a collision course and it will be interesting what the conditions are . If it was like last year Kai will have an advantage on Jr historicaly speaking but I would look for Danny Ching to give a better performance than last years pull out .But if , and that is IF there is surf you would have to put the house on Jr . of course historicaly speaking . Unless his arch rival Kai Bartlett can work some magic on his new boat the Scorpious . Will a Tahitian ever win ? Why dont the Tahitians ever win .
Submitted by paddlepimp on Wed, 01/02/2008 - 2:12pm
thahitians never win because single day events are for wussies.
#1 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 2:18pm
No doubt Jr , will go out there and just slide away from everyone on those incredible chines.
Aloha ,
Chinerider
#2 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 2:38pm
So jc9 0 are you insuating that Kai is a wussie after doing 42 miles of flat/upwind sloshy conditions? Actually it sounds like you are calling all of last year's solo participants wussies. Perhaps those big tough tahitians would like to come race some wussies in some real conditions. The Tahitians want nothing to do with this race because they will come up short. There is not one man in Tahiti that could hang with Kai or Karel in the surf. And if I am wrong then I dare some body to prove me wrong. All the money in Mai Tai Shell's account wouldn't buy them a win in the Molo Solo. I bet you a bucket of kentucky fried chicken and a bundle of bananas that a Tahitian will not win the molo solo any time soon.
#3 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 7:52pm
1st place overall in the 37 mile Solo Molo 2007.
Super Aito times for the 4 legs, followed by total time. Posted by the same guy that won the Solo.
0:22:56 1:19:03 1:52:22 2:30:12 6:04:33
BTW I like KFC Extra Crispy, and no cooking bananas please. Just apple bananas.
Will be sure to italicize all sarcastic remarks from now on so no one gets too worked up.
#4 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 10:12pm
Holly guys
Do the Thahitians have there best paddlers in the race?
Merry Cristmas
Go Kai go
#5 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 9:53pm
so tahitians are now dodging the race because they want nothing to do with real conditions? after a year of complete domination, there may be many reasons why the tahitians aren't at the race, but doubt fear is one of them.
most people here probably got into paddling through hawaii, but time to realize that the paddling world is bigger, and hawaii is no longer the center of the paddling universe (or not the only center)... this is not a bad thing. it's like pipeline was the epitome of barrels, and then teahupoo came along... pipe is still king, but doubt anyone will ever talk down chopes.
#6 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 7:32am
Jez you guys. Your forgetting where the OC1 came from...SURFSKI. The fastest guy on the water that gruelling day across the Kaiwi channel was a Tahitian on a surfski. The same man that won that race kicks major butt in Tahiti on a rudderless canoe. If the Tahitians want to do well in a race they will train hard and represent. We all have that option. Kai and Jr are awesome in the OC1 and I look forward to the dueling between them in each event but the Tahitians are nothing to discount.
Mikala
#7 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 8:03am
Mikala beat me to it. Lewis Laughlin won the surfski division last year. Then, he won the Super Aito in a V-1. I think he won the US surfski champs later in the summer, also against a world class field. I don't think there's another paddler in the world this versatile that can compete at an elite level in multiple divisions, and he's been doing it for well over a decade.
Hawaii guys will always be the ones to beat in the Molokai solo but there's a strong international contingent these days. Aussie guys and Cook Island guys did really well last year. I don't know why more Tahitians don't compete in the Hawaii one-man races. I assume it's $ issues. After seeing how well the Tahiti crews have done in the Molokai Hoe, you have to be smoking crack to think they can't compete in the solo.
By the way, I think the paddlepimp owes a few people on his bet. I'll pass on the KFC and bananas though. You can pay me in bud light.
#8 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 8:28am
Tahitians will never win the Moloka'i solo oc-1 race because quite frankly, they don't want to. They call ruddered canoes down there:
"...a canoe with training wheels"
People down there are ridiculed if they are caught paddling a canoe with a rudder. Manutea barely practiced on a ruddered canoe in 2004 and came in 9th. Imagined if he practiced?
#9 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 9:09am
So I hear alot of talk about the great and dont get me wrong great job they did in the 6 man MOLO . I also am hering about Luis's AWSOME job in winning the SURFSKI division in Kaiwi and winning SUPER AITO . Now I point out are any of these things the same as the TOPIC at hand ? WHO WILL WIN THE MOLO SOLO Oc1 ? I realize all of the the things you brainiacs are saying about these unrelated topics , close to the topic but not quite there . So answer the question asked I put in in BOLD LETTERS . Please dont give me excuses why the POWERFUL TAHITIANS have never won the OC! SOLO RACE tell me who will win this year no matter were he is from . Man it must SUCK to say you cant beat the Hawaiians on the BOATS THAT ARE SO BASIC THEY WOULD SAY A RUDDER IS LIKE HAVING TRAINING WHEELS . BRING THOSE RUDDERLESS BOATS TO KAIWI .
#10 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 12:31pm
In case you forgot what you originally wrote paddlepimp, I am responding to the last two questions of your original post. Therefore, our post about the tahitians were not entirely off the subject.
Besides, we all know that Kai and the "scorpius" will win this years race. The scorpius will give Kai a slight edge on the zephyr. That's all Kai needs.
I am going to go even further out on a limb and list the top 5.
1) Kai
2) Karel
3) Danny
4) Manny
5) Lauren
Assuming Mike Judd and Maui don't race.
#11 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 2:20pm
the scorpinaut must have twice as many chines as the zepharious.
#12 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 2:24pm
I tried out a Scorpius this past fall. It's just a giant chine with a seat and an ama attached. At one point in time, my GPS had me at 78 mph, and I wasn't even on a wave - just gliding.
None of the rest of you might ever get the chance to paddle one though. Karel has patented "the chine" and he's going to sue the pants off of anyone and everyone, (Kai) for even saying the word chine, much less building and selling one.
I think Kai will win the Solo, because he's going to need all the prize money to pay Jr's dad for the lawsuit.
#13 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 4:02pm
Kai won
t win because his canoe isnt really a canoe ,it is a chineless wonder doing its submarine impersonation.When this pic was taken Jr. was gliding along 7 minutes ahead.
#14 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 4:20pm
So can Mai Tai Shell PLEASE SEND SOME OF YOUR BEST RECRUTES FROM COOK ISLANDS , MARQUASES ,or anywere YOUR $$$$ has BOUGHT TAHITI a MOLOKAI HOE so MAYBE YOU CAN BUY A SOLO WIN .LOL........THAT MAI TAI SHELL CREW WAS NOT ALL TAHITI . CHEW ON THOSE BANNANAS ....LOL !!!!!
#15 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 6:53pm
now now ,,,play nice boys.
I’m just hoping to do molo one day. If you even complete it we are all winners. friendly competition and in the true spirit of racing canoe .Its not what was said but what was paddled. And your only as good as your last race. And I have been in races where there was a few of us fighting for 3rd or 4th and I had moor fun than if I won by an margin.
P.S. Go Kai
#16 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 7:30pm
I feel sorry to read some of your posts about what tahitians can do or not... We are pacticing the same sport, with the same cultural background, the same History and the same ancestors. We can be rivals AND friends.
Here are a few thinking about why Tahitians don't come to Kaiwi OC1 :
It takes $$ to come to Hawaii for a race.
Tahitian paddlers are not profesionals, they have jobs too. They use their holidays to take part in some races.
There are many races in Tahiti, and we are maybe too lazy to come to Hawaii...
backset is right, we don't like OC1, we either paddle a V1 (rudderless) or a surfski.
Come to Tahiti, you won't hear something like "Kai or Karel can't win the Super Aito because they can't paddle a rudderles canoe". In fact we would be quite happy to see some Hawaiians, some Californians and some Aussies to our races...
Happy 2008 to all
#17 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 12:59am
Maybe the Tahitians would like OC1 racing more if they put rudders on thier boats. If they so against rudders maybe they should do 6 man with all six hammering and nobody ruddering.
#18 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 3:35am
ruddering is russian for steering.
Glad to help.
#19 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 10:02am
lotion is english for lotion. from the latin root lotio
#20 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 11:04am
fuzerider-
going back to ur comment and pic of kai's "submarine"
i remember watching the channel and seeing karel's canoe on top of his boat becuase it did the same thing but broke. The fusion got de-fuzed mr. fuze rider. Every oc1s nose goes under water, just the best canoes come up in one piece.
#21 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 11:37am
fuzerider, the advantage with rudderless canoes is that every paddler who can handle with it can also steer a V6. And look at videos, we are not hammering, and most of the time our steerers don't poke, they paddle with their crews...
If you ever come to French Polynesia, we will be happy to give you a seat on our Va'a and learn from each other. Would be much better than criticize each other...
Paddling should be fun, with or without a rudder.
#22 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 2:08pm
Hiro C, bear in mind, fuzerider is on the mainland, not Hawaii, and he's advertising fuzes. He's not speaking for the lot of us, or at least not for me. I'd be honored to paddle in a bad ass Tahitian made canoe.
BTW, good point, if you can steer a rudderless one man, it instantly helps you with learning to steer a 6 man. Or anything else for that matter...
Now if someone would just start making the damn things here in Hawaii. DAMMIT!
#23 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 2:16pm
The Tahitians can win any race they set their mind to win - OC6, Surfski V1,OC1 We have to forgive Fuzerider as he is in 2 ft of snow in Maine, I think, and dreaming about paddling, chines and Karel Jr. We don't see many chined OC1's (Fusions, Fuze or Stingrays) racing on Oahu, Maui, or Kauai or Tahiti, AUS, Cook Islands. I quess they are mostly on the EAst Coast as they are readily available. Again, someone buying a canoe should chose the one they fell most comfortable in that has a proven race record (Some depth, not just winning when paddled by one of the best paddlers in the world) if they want to compete. MAybe in the Molo Solo Fuzerider refers to KArel Jr was ahead(only he would know), but it only counts at the finish. Pray for warm weather for Fuzerider- he appears to need it. He is getting cabin fever.
#24 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 2:37pm
He believes in the product he's trying to sell and makes no bones about it. You can't blame a guy for that. And even though most of us agree Karel's boats aren't the best for mainland waters, you couldn't really say they're a bad choice, either. On top of that, he's a pretty badass paddler-only about ten minutes behind Jr. in the 18 mile or so Blackburn challenge. Not too shabby. Fuze is doing a great job promoting the sport back east- so here's to Fuze. Keep it up buddy. You may now continue the Fuzerider bashing.
#25 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 3:22pm
Got a Tahitian Rudderless boat I'm using here in So Cal, no idea what it cost to get it made and shipped here but I was told I could use it. The thing is INSANE way faster than any boat I've ever paddled in flat water or small rollers. If it surfed in big chop I would offer to trade my boat for it in a second. Rigging it is a pain though. Have to use innertubes.
As for the who's gonna win the solo who knows could be some kid from an Island none of us have ever heard of, although thats semi-unlikely. Obviously Danny Kai Karel are all gonna be up at the front, could be condition dependent on who wins again though. I'm just gonna be stoked if I can convince my parents to let me go and race.
#26 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 3:34pm
It can surf in big chop. Just keep on paddling it.
When rigging, be sure to have the canoe level, i.e. not inclined toward the ama.
If you need to add wedges, be sure to have vertical plan of the canoe parralel to that of the ama.
Do not toe in, rig the ama parralel to the hull.
Use bicycle inner tube (not car tube) 3cm wide, 50cm long.
When you have the rigging that suits you, don't unrig if possible. Put some electrician tape around the rubber tubes to protect them from the sun.
#27 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 4:47pm
Hiro C
Huge mahalos for inviting me to French Polynesia. That is truly a place I
ve always wanted to go and your offer of a seat in your vaa , very kind indeed.If you ever get to Maine I`ll be sure to have an OC1 ready for you to use.
Ryan d, just so you know, I have huge respect for Kai as a paddler , the "submarine" comment was intended to be humorous. I know Karels` boat broke that day . Anyones boat can break in those kind of conditions.
I`ve been a canoe racer for over 30 years , most of those years spent racing in marathon canoes with no rudder.
I know how cool and fast the Tahitian rudderless canoes are and the skill it takes to paddle them well is much more than that required for a canoe with a rudder.
Paddlefast, your comment about cabin fever was right on .
I`ve got it bad. zero degrees here for the past two days , all the fresh water rivers and lakes are frozen and the ocean is still liquid but like 38 degrees. I do a lot of hanging out by the woodstove at this time of year dreaming about warm places like Hawaii and Tahiti.
I
m going to break the cabin fever in February , Im going to Hawaii for 2 weeks from mid Feb. to 1st of March. Hope to do a race or two and lots of Hawaii Kai runs with the wife and kidos. Maybe get to meet a few of you guys who live on Oahu.Aloha ,
Fuze
#28 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 5:25pm
backset - you don't mean what you are writing, do you ?
Karel has won that race year after year. That means he will win it again if he wants to. Just like Oscar Chalupski in the surfski.
Is he motivated, free of injury ? I don't know; but you cannot win this race year after year without a huge margin of ability.
Same as Lewis Laughlin, it seems. I don't know him, but he seems to win whatever he wants to win, too.
#29 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 7:16pm
Thanks for the advice Hiro C.
Its not my boat so I can't leave it rigged but I am using bicycle innertubes to rig it each time and they're approximately that size. I haven't really tried it in any sort of real chop yet but I was surfing it on some almost breaking rollers at a cove and I had trouble keeping the nose from pearling? Maybe it was cuz it was the first time I paddled it?
I'm gonna keep it up and hopefully race it in a few So Cal races.
#30 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 8:57pm
Jimothy, I wasn't really trying to bash fuzieschmoopie, but just pointing out that he is basically a living and breathing add for outrigger connection on the forum. It had to be done in fairness to aquasmeg65 who got flamed out for his rudder peddling.
People have to be equal opportunity, right?
As someone else pointed out, fuzeglider is a speedy chine smokin sun of a gun. So more power to him. He'd spank my pasty white behind any day in the water. Even if my behind was covered with chines.
#31 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 9:16pm
As Nappy would say, the person who wins will be the person who wants it the most and works for it the hardest. Backset could be close- Kai won the Solo 3 times. If there is surf, it is hard to beat Karel Jr. but who knows-anyone can be beat. KArel Jr. said it best- it is anyones race after the start flag drops. If the Tahitians trained on an OC1 as much as Karel Jr. does, one of them could possibly win. Watch out for the Aussies - Greg Long almost won it last year. And Reuben Deerlove from the Cook Islands is extremely strong-he beat Karel Jr. in 2007. Ryan Dolan could be the one this year - he has great support, is getting great coaching from the Foti's and is training hard. Anyone who finishes in the top 10 is awesome and everyone who finishes the race is a winner in my book. Whether it is good trades and rough(much more fun, right?) or flat (plz don't be flat as that is the most miserable way to cross the channel), it is a tough race. Good luck to everyone who enters. Maui-Molokai and the Kauai World Challenge- much more fun!
#32 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 9:17pm
Beating Karel in the Molo solo , if there
s surf will be like beating Lance Armstrong in a bicycle race in July, or beating Tiger Woods in a golf tournament. Im not saying that it cant happen , just that anyone who can pull it off will have accomplished something pretty huge.t seem to cause a speed penalty at lower speeds. Chines in general wether they be on a power boat, kayak, float plane whatever, are always known to improve release and reduce water friction.I called him yesterday just to make sure my take on the chine issue was accurate. He told me that the chines are incorporated into the design of his canoes because after all the feedback was in from the team riders, including himself.
"The chines were believed to improve "release" , that is water release from the hull at planing speeds. He also told me the chines don
Maybe the chine subject should have it`s own thread because it seems to be a pretty big subject and a controversial one.
#33 Sat, 01/05/2008 - 3:09am
we finally got the first prototype on the water .34 lbs fully rigged .our club bought a mold and intend on making rudderless outriggers solos for training for the sprints in Cali.
also check out our web sit and take a look @ the youtube vid's fast canoe .goes straight without a rudder to.
northvancanoeclub.com
p,s, this aint a pitch, im just happy
#34 Sat, 01/05/2008 - 3:32am
Is that the boat that's being used in world sprints, Mulus? Can you make one for us? How much?
#35 Sat, 01/05/2008 - 6:47am
Its not the boat for the worlds , I think they are going to use a tiger again I'm not sure . this is our first so we need some time. Soon. keep in touch on this .Thanks.
nvcc@shaw.ca
#36 Sat, 01/05/2008 - 8:07am
Keep an eye out for the under dogs. As paddlefast mentioned, Longy came second last year, and the Cook Island guys were right up there. For my 2 cents, I think there will be a changing of the guard over the next three years (regardless of conditions) - three different champions from three different countries and of a wide variance of age. Seems to be a building hunger out there to get the crown.
In the womens (I know this post is about the blokes...) I believe the Ozzie girls will give the locals a very good run for their money. 2 in the top three for 08.
#37 Sun, 01/06/2008 - 12:40am
I wouldn`t underestimate Andy Penny Especially if conditions are less than epic.
A Penny / Tresnak one two finish would be pretty cool. Andy
s certainly an underdog yet , strong , talented and capable , who knows , its a long hard race , anything can and does happen.If it
s a totally flat, hot , grunt and go fest , Id have to bet on Bartlett because of what happened last year. What are the chances of that happening again though. Going over the weather patterns for many years , it`s rarely totally flat in the channel much less upwind heading west . Last year the weather was a total fluke.I`d like to see Andy surf like Jr. and have the two of them go head to head all the way across the channel .
#38 Sun, 01/06/2008 - 6:47am
Fuze Rider
In the spirit of “I like a spirited dialog and accurate exchange of ideasâ€
You have dropped a lot of opinions over the last couple of days. I have a few.
1) I suggest that you read all of your posts and ask yourself if you are a being a good rep. for OC or are you making wild, possibly arrogant, and sometimes offensive comments ?
-You said-“Karel Tresnak is the worlds most copied designer of OC1 canoes. All new boats from a variety of builders are now showing features that he pioneered. Soon, no doubt , chines will appear on the competitions boats.†He has certainly been innovative. But to read your posts it would seem that he has developed 90% of the everything in Outrigger Paddling.(OC-1) I give him about 20% of the credit and give a lot of credit to (in no particular rank order) the original Tahitian designers, Walter Guild, Tom Connor, Steve Blyth, John Martin, Tiger Taylor, Johnny Puakea, Kai Bartlet, Giblin Brothers. And others. In fact these designers would probably be very humble and say it was friends and fellow paddlers who helped them in the process. I can name many design ideas that Karel took from others. In fact I am guessing Karel probably wouldn’t agree with everything you are posting.
2) With the number of pictures and obvious advertising you are doing for your canoes, please buy advertising space too
3) Being a representative for a company and also posting so much creates problems. , especially when you post pictures of and comments about other paddlers and name names
Like the following-
Kai wont win because his canoe isnt really a canoe ,it is a chineless wonder doing its submarine impersonation.
When this pic was taken Jr. was gliding along 7 minutes ahead.
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Because no matter how funny, witty, or supportive you want to be, it will be taken wrong by some or maybe many readers of this forum and could reflect badly on Outrigger Connection.
However disregard everything I have said and do whatever you want. It is just a forum -right. And I am just expressing my opinions not facts.
#39 Mon, 01/07/2008 - 10:47am
I have built over 30 dugouts, and two 52 and 42 feet long . I realized along the way the best canoes are built with a few carvers sharing there gift. I think everything we are doing has been done before maybe at a different weight but the shapes are timeless. an elder told me once you can see it in your head the perfect shape and stay focused on that. do not carve other peoples design are you could lose yours. He also said your canoe building school is a fish.
but that did not stop me from buying a Pegasus. If I could I would also have a Zephyr and a oc for the tuff stuff where I would not worry about the gel coat or cracking it. But I love my peggy.
dugouts.piczo.com
#40 Mon, 01/07/2008 - 12:45pm