Im putting this out there to all the top paddlers who will be doing the Molokai solo ,we need a story and pictures of you guys like the one of Danny Ching flying the ama on the front of Competitor Magazine for a publication called Paddler Magazine...This magazine reaches paddlers all over north america and we would really like to promote our sport in a major publication like this one...enough of kyaks lets get some real boats in there !!! The editor has shown some interest lets do our part...no joke this is for real .
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Submitted by eddiesurfhawaii on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 10:14pm
For the record, I do NOT remember giving anyone permission to superimpose Danny's head onto a picture of my body. Someone's getting sued.
#1 Wed, 04/02/2008 - 4:13am
Well who really cares about Paddler magazine? - they do nothing to support the sport of outrigger- They just want to sell more magazines to Ocean Kayakers. If they really want to support and cover outrigger put a reporter on the local scene and cover the sport in and out !
Oh yea Ropati does that with Pacific Paddler magazine- and he do a great job !
Sorry my subscription goes to pacific paddler magazine or any local hawaii mag that knows what they are talking about.
#2 Wed, 04/02/2008 - 6:38am
with an attitude like that why should they cover our sport, The reason they have done little in outrigger has more to do with the paddlers not asking or submitting articles. Our sport is just now getting more main stream. It is also simply not true about there support for outrigger, they are a big supporter of the wavechaser series, albeit because of the surfski crowd, however the collateral effect supports outrigger. It also looks like from the original post that they are reaching out to the community, Bite that hand and they may never offer it again, PW your post is way off base, Keep in mind Pacific paddler is a local mag, No where near the circulation that paddler has, Also PP is read primarily by outrigger paddlers, it will bring in very few new paddlers, Paddler has a much larger base and potential to bring new awareness to the sport.
in an old post "what is wrong with our sport" Add pullingwaters post to the reason.
#3 Wed, 04/02/2008 - 6:54am
Yea Ocean Ohana - maybe with a attitude like mine they will actually will start to cover the sport of outrigger ! I feel That they simply don't do enough. I am tired of articles geared only to sea kayakers. You know I am deep into paddle sports - I want them to take US SERIOUSLY I want regular reporting not just a " interest" article on some narly race in Hawai that seems impossible for most folk to attach themselves to outrigger canoeing. In a way these articles don't help our sport- these articles make us our sport seem too extreme.
So do you get it? - where is the article on How to do a forward stroke in an outrigger ? Let's see that happen ! Let's see a paddle review or an oc-1 review.
I admire Pacific Padlder Mag so much - they capture the community- and they are not eveything to everbody which paddler magazine tries to do - and in it they will always go to where the biggest market is and to the interest stories.
If you want more reporting on outrigger in Califonia - ask Paddler magazine to place a reporter there - and start doing articles. Paddler magazine is the perfect place to to have a califonia outrigger column. - Go after it !
#4 Wed, 04/02/2008 - 9:04am
A magazine will provide coverage proportionately to its readership interests and I would be willing to guess there are WAY more kayakers, river canoers, etc than there are outrigger paddlers. I would guess there are a million or more kayakers and traditional canoers to our 10,000 or so outrigger paddlers. It's a business decision and probably a good one on their part. I, too, would like to see more coverage, but I understand why there's not.
Give it time. It looks like they're trying to reach out. If you want to get more coverage, buy the edition with that particular article. If they see a bump in sales, they're likely to cover outrigger more often. It's just business....it's not personal.
I love PP magazine, but its size and circulation are evident of the niche sport we participate in. As the sport grows, so will the coverage.
#5 Wed, 04/02/2008 - 9:13am
Yes I too agree Eo2060- so I choose to support PP with a subscription so they can continue to cover our sport as it grows.
........end of topic for me !
#6 Wed, 04/02/2008 - 9:25am
mainstream magazines are slowly starting to recognize the outrigger market. there's no conspiracy, it's simply a reality of the numbers... if they think it's a niche sport, well, news for you, it IS a niche sport... at least for now. Canoe & Kayak Magazine last year had several features on paddling culture which featured both oc6 and oc1's.. they also contacted our club and gave a little blurb for their "paddling things to do in the ____ area".. soon maybe that would be a regular thing where paddling club directories are listed.. whether we want those traveling kayakers is a different story, but exposure is the topic here.
look at hawaii, where it's the state sport- you have dayton morinaga at the advertiser covering the major races, and the star bulletin going long periods without paddling coverage... if paddling doesn't get major coverage in hawaii, where it's the state sport, then how are the mainland based mainstream magazines covering it?
it's not a us vs. them argument. when it's a large enough market, or enough exposure is there, then the mainstream magazines will go "holy shit, there's a real paddling thing going here, and it's fricking cool".... if not, then it's exactly what is now.. it's not like the our sport needs those mainstream magazines to validate it by "accepting" us.. but if you want to grow the sport then exposing the sport doesn't betray it. it's not like anyone is begging them to cover us "please please please", but sending them regular clips and photos and well written articles would seem like a rational thing to do..
if you want the sport to remain what is (and there is no doubt that that is exactly some people's desire- to keep the status quo) then you probably don't want any more exposure, and a valid reason to oppose any exposure. we can debate whether the growth of the sport will kill the coolness of it... i'm sure those people who want to take the sport to a new level would disagree...
#7 Wed, 04/02/2008 - 10:00am
Hey, I know this has been discussed before in another topic but I (for one) don't mind my sport (outrigger) being a little obscure. I was into surfing before it went main stream. I've since, all but given it up. I enjoy a paddle out in the Atlantic Ocean in the summer...and I am the only outrigger canoe for a hundred miles or so. I have the only 4 man boat IN MY STATE. Sure, I have guys I can paddle w/ when I need a push or competition ( I fortunately belong to a competitive club)...but other times, I can go out for hours..and not see a soul. That's the way I like it. I guess if I was competing in money /prize events...or selling boats or paddles, or paddle wear..I would think otherwise.
#8 Wed, 04/02/2008 - 11:29am
I was not really looking for a heated debate on this subject just a few suggestions on bringing our sport into the mainstream so that paddlers maybe some day be able to compete with money other then there own.At the moment the races are some what lame with very little competition would it not be nice to bring over some top athletes from other paddling sports and grow our races into all out events with some money to be had for our training and buying new boats ect.I feel that the love of paddling is something to be shared with all and that belonging to a club and paddling for the guy seated in front of you or behind you for that matter brings us closer as family.I love this sport , .Its a lifestyle and a great one at that, you can paddle well into your 60's like Nappy and still give the young guys a run for their money.Lets support PP and work toward getting the message out that this is a great way to paddle and have fun with friends and family...Aloha
#9 Wed, 04/02/2008 - 1:14pm
Eddie, that's awesome what you are doing. Best of luck to you. PW, chill, broham....It's cool that Paddler mag is interested. It's not their fault that no one paddles OCs compared to the other sports. Besides we're all just part of one great big Ocean Ohana, right Okweef?
#10 Thu, 04/03/2008 - 3:52am
im chilled always have been, i guess people has passion for their sport and many different viewpoints on what they would like to see happen...aloha all and thanks for your support.
#11 Thu, 04/03/2008 - 10:26am
Hey Eddie, I support your effort too in promotion of the sport and getting it out there, and paddlers getting along, etc. I didn't want my post to come off as negative. I'm just happy in my own little paddling world (though I don't mind beating the pants off of some of the competition at times :)
#12 Thu, 04/03/2008 - 11:52am
as of now we have a writer...so if we can put a good enough story out there to the editor we may see some go results for our efforts.i just think it would be wild to see a one man surfing down a huge wave during the solo flying the ala so other paddlers around the world might go wow this sport is soooooooo cool i want in.cheers to all
#13 Thu, 04/03/2008 - 12:44pm
Eddie see my post in your other thread.
http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/3390
Cheers Rambo
#14 Thu, 04/03/2008 - 1:16pm
I had a look at your post Rambo and while talking to Karel this year after he made me a very beautiful Zephyer. I asked him about increasing production of the China built boat and why he does not do so.We also talked about his world wide sales last year of 400 boats and that if he could sell 800 boats their would be some moneys left over for sponsorship in the OC1 divisions.Im sure their are other paddlers ie,in the world who have not been exposed to outrigger paddling who would be stoked to paddle one.No common Joe is going to pay $4 for a magazine without interest in paddling in general...and the ocean as well.No matter what you paddle your a paddler !!!As for KMart boats that shall never happen,anyone who knows paddling outrigger you need good equipment for common safety on the water.At times I guess Im misunderstood on here my goal concerning this peace in a major publication is to expose people who are already paddling to give outrigger a go...as we know many in the sport paddle other boats as well ,like Danny,Lauren to name a few.All Im trying to do is get more interest in the OC1 races by bringing in more paddlers thus bringing in interest of sponsors and selling more boats so that the builders can help with needed money to promote the sport as a whole.With more money involved in the races we shall also get more top athletes interested in outrigger canoes ...lets go for the pro's !!! lol
#15 Thu, 04/03/2008 - 2:42pm
I mean how cool would it be to have a paddler surfing down a huge ground swell on the front page of Paddler.If I was a river kayaker and saw it I would be like so stoked to try it myself just by seeing the picture alone.You know I can remember the day I picked up my first issue of Windsurfer magazine and saw Robbie Nash busting a tabletop off a wave on Maui and was hooked...I went out that year and invested tons of cash in windsurfing gear.At the time I was living in Canada and was just a teenager but after high school I loaded my boards and sails and set out for the west coast to windsurf the Gorge with dreams of Hawaii and the Robbie Nash lifestyle on my mind.Years later here i am in Hawaii no longer windsurfing but paddling and wishing the sport had exposer like the good old days of windsurfing...Im sure if this magazine reaches 300,000 people your going to get young guys like me back then going wow this is so cool.Call me a dreamer,unrealistic but never call me late for a Hawaii Kia run...
#16 Thu, 04/03/2008 - 2:59pm
You already got saltwater in the blood Eddie, so transition was easy for you. I see ya point about being inspired by Mag covers, but windsurfing is more dynamic, with exciting air and wave action and therefore more promotable visually from that standpoint. Watching an outrigger race is boring unless you are in it, whereas most people could sit at Kanaha all day and watch windsurfers do their thing.
Cheers Rambo
#17 Thu, 04/03/2008 - 3:58pm
so true about windfsurfing...but there are vantage points doing a Makapo run here on Oahu to watch guys do their thing in the big swells...we had sprints here a few weeks ago where people could enjoy the whole race.oh on another point your water cams rock , i enjoyed watching the video's you made with them. how can i get my hands on one so when its big here in hawaii i can take it out and show the world what visually exciting really is...lol
#18 Thu, 04/03/2008 - 9:14pm
As one of the organizers of the Wavechaser race series, I'd like to add some support for Paddler Magazine and their attempts for coverage of outrigger canoe paddling. Wavechaser had a very good relationship with the former editor of Paddler, Eugene Buchanan, who was always willing and interested in covering outrigger paddling and surfskis, despite the fact that their main readership are kayakers. They gave us free display ads (not cheap, mind you) for the race series, coverage of the Surfski Championships (which includes OCs), sent us free swag and magazines to give out at events, offered discounted subscriptions, and always welcomed contributors of articles. Eugene has since moved on to start his own publication, paddlinglife.net and although we no longer have our "contact", I'm sure the current editors would be interested in covering more events. But, like anything worth doing, you have to take the initiative and go to them to let them know what's going on in the world of OCs and to let them know you'd like more coverage. Otherwise, if they don't think there's an interested audience, why should they? It's worth a try. - Helen
#19 Sat, 04/12/2008 - 10:32am
Interesting comments here. There was a magazine which was produced before Pacific Paddler if anyone can remember that far back, sadly it only lasted 12 months if that, and before that Kanuculture (1994) which though not a magazine as such, it was an annual publication in book format, which can still be purchased and which culminated in the Paddlers Guide to Outrigger Canoeing and the Art and Skill of Steering books. The KC books were truly international and covered events from all over the Pacific in some depth and contributed on many levels to oc paddling in the Pacific and beyond. Pacific Paddler has endured and with the number of paddlers and revenue available to it, so it should. I am taking some time away from writing and producing KC as it has taken much out of me over the years, most of it enjoyable of course. Any exposure in mainstream magazines is a good thing. Pacific Paddler is fundamentally a localized publication. To be truly a global publication, Tahiti for example would need equal representation by virtue of sheer weight of numbers and significance in the scheme of things, while all other regions would need coverage also of at least some measure. It could be argued that with some effort, a global publication could be created, though more likely on a quarterly or bi-annual basis. I am in Fiji, producing a story for Pacific Paddler; no matter what I do, I am committed to this sport as I have been since producing the first KC book and happy to share my experiences with all.
Steve West
http://www.kanuculture.com
#20 Wed, 04/16/2008 - 3:07pm