Sweet! Yeah Zephyr does have the mysterious chine attack power but Scorpius has been doing super secret training on an outer island. No one is sure how good he is. Kind of like the Rocky IV mojo.
Plus the chine attack power only powers up when Zephyr is moving at 9 mph. So Scorpius has the advantage at slower speeds.
Zephyr scoffs at your super secret training. He is Zephyr, son of Stingray. Brilliant engineering and costly features will compensate for his lack of training. “Zephyr, Activate chine power now!”
--
…misspelled, catchy phrase to make me look cooler…”
Chine power is no match for the super sleek physique of Scorpius. Its venomous stinger used to defeat Orion cannot be conquered. It is futile to try! Zephyr and lowly lackey Pittbrah are not match for the SCORPIUS!!!
Zealot! How dare you mock the chine! Zephyr’s perfect angular belly design is a juggernaut of monster perfection. Scorpius and his insect brood will bow before Zephyr.
--
…misspelled, catchy phrase to make me look cooler…”
I have not seen nor been on the Scorpius or Zephyr. They are just coming in to my locale this spring. Looking forward to trying a Scorpius personally.
I went with a Pegasus this year to complement the Kaimana my Wife and I already have (which we absolutely love - its great in everything). I sold my Fuze last summer…it wasn’t the ride I was expecting for me.
Weight isn’t really ‘that important’ of a factor between boats - i.e. 2-5 lbs doesn’t make a huge diff on the water. Many of us could gain to shed a few lbs, myself included :-)
No idea what the actual weights of the two boats will be but here are some numbers of ‘actual weights’ of rides from respective builders for what I own(ed) that I weighed on a digital scale.
I typically find the new OC Fuze, Fusions to be heavier than other comparable boats which makes sense due to the use of Carbon/Kevlar and the Gel coat quality is exceptional. The boats are definitely built very solid and that shows up in their extra weight.
I would ‘expect’ based on the build methods that the Zephyr and Scopius would weigh in roughly the same Hull weight if they were both 100% Carbon. If the Zephyr was Carbon/Kevlar as are many Outrigger Connection current models I would expect a 2-4 lb increase in that build.
Ask the dealers/builders for ‘expected weights’…..though that is not a guarantee that the boat you get will be on the money.
If by “hull weight” you mean “laser beam eyes” then Zephyr’s chined corneas will seer the gel coat off Kamanu’s locally-built and honorable surface. Yet another heretic will cower in the wake of zephyr’s overbearing and slightly irritating presence.
“Zephyr, activate sales whore behavior NOW!”
--
…misspelled, catchy phrase to make me look cooler…”
Wow. Cant remember when was the last time that happened.
Those guys would have won on any boat, chines or no chines. I think the gap would have been bigger if Jr.was on a scorpious.
Kia was not there …everyone knows its not the boat but the paddler that wins races…I think it is great that Manny is trying new boats to test which one improves his over all time.I was at the start with him and he just took off like a bullet…I have a custom made Zephyer and it takes a bit of getting use to in the surf…I was on a Fusion last year and found I was not swimming as much as this season but I think once you can get the Zephyer dialed in like Keral has it is a rocket.But once again its for the most part the paddler not the canoe…
thank you…perfectly said…why i still use my beat up old orange and blue stingray. what color is your boat, and your # ill find and put up your picture from the finish…
My early perceptions after first getting on a Zephyr were similar to eddiesurfhawaiis` . I had the feeling of being dumped out quite a bit but after dialing in you can anticipate the movement of the canoe and use it to your advantage.
The Zephyr is a very advanced design and paddlers like Jr. and Manny are able to squeeze every ounce of performance out of it.
Weighed a rigged [China] Zeph usiing a decent (not great) quality bathroom scale by weighing myself a few times then my weight with boat on shoulder a few times. 35 lbs. However, need other boats on same day at same location on same scale to know relative weights.
Biggest problem I had was holding onto the Zeph; it just wanted to scoot out of my hands and fire off down the road; those chines just don’t like standin’ still, they wanna plane all day long. If I had a round bottom’d boat I’m sure it would’ve just sat on my shoulder lazily like a giant wet noodle…
umm guys, if you haven’t noticed there’s a very important battle going on here. You guys are totally ruining the epic scene. Take your sensibility elsewhere.
From the depths of the Ala Wai, a once great warrior reawakens to heed the battle crys of his family and with no apparent movement slowly swims out……..
Scorpius is no match for sales whore behavior and is mortally wounded. Its doom is imminent against the evil and corrupted Zephyr army called OC East Coast Team Riders and death is certain with the aid of Keral, son of Keral, rising from the depths Kawainui Marsh and helping Zephyr crush Scorpius…..
Victory! Zephyr smiles, plotting his next OC East Coast Team Rider recruitment utilizing the stringent criteria of “people who have bought one.”
Scorpius was no match for his international agreement. He later promotes himself to Emeterius Paddlus Posterus Nonstopedus. His lacky, e02060, receives the title of midpacker, third-class.
--
…misspelled, catchy phrase to make me look cooler…”
Allow me to retort, Its the paddlers not the canoe…Manny made it 1st in a Scorpious then second in a different canoe. Jr. is fast on anything. It sounds like splitting hairs when it comes to the fast canoes. But the true way to tell is try one. Looking forward to trying a Scorpius some day.I sure did love the Zephyr. Let the battle rages on. Ill sit down and shut up now.
No way; it’s gotta be the boat. Otherwise what good would it do to put chines on these racers so that we get marketed to throw more money at poor fitness and lousy technique?
Sure beats working out or spending more time on that damn ocean!
i agree with mulus…..”its the paddlers not the canoe”. what canoe are you most confident and comfortable in should be the number one criteria. second is the support and the reputation of the maker. i’ll sit down and shut up too….for now?
ah GOTHOR you are still reading this thread. i was going to wish you good looks forever as well, but i see you’ve corrected that. guess i’m not the only one on the small bus eh? nothing strikes deeper than having your intelligence insulted by a misspelled post.
19 Posts
OK
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 6:50am
704 Posts
Oh thought this was a movie trailer thread. Shit how awesome of a monster movie would that be?
Zephyr vs Scorpius! I got my money on scorpius. Way more of a badass name than zephyr.
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 8:02am
168 Posts
But Zephyr has chine attack power!
No one knows if it really works, by Zephyr REALLY REALLY believes it does.
…misspelled, catchy phrase to make me look cooler…”
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 9:07am
704 Posts
Sweet! Yeah Zephyr does have the mysterious chine attack power but Scorpius has been doing super secret training on an outer island. No one is sure how good he is. Kind of like the Rocky IV mojo.
Plus the chine attack power only powers up when Zephyr is moving at 9 mph. So Scorpius has the advantage at slower speeds.
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 9:14am
168 Posts
Zephyr scoffs at your super secret training. He is Zephyr, son of Stingray. Brilliant engineering and costly features will compensate for his lack of training. “Zephyr, Activate chine power now!”
…misspelled, catchy phrase to make me look cooler…”
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 9:25am
177 Posts
Welcome to the forum, another legitimate question ransacked by the creative genius of OC paddlers ;-)
I am sure someone ‘in their right mind’ will eventually post something informative.
Mahalo…….Pittbrah
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 10:27am
222 Posts
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 10:40am
704 Posts
Chine power is no match for the super sleek physique of Scorpius. Its venomous stinger used to defeat Orion cannot be conquered. It is futile to try! Zephyr and lowly lackey Pittbrah are not match for the SCORPIUS!!!
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 12:16pm
177 Posts
Poops you stoops too low ;-)
Hey come on, I will be paddling a Kai Wa’a this year…..I left Chine power behind last year !!!
LOL
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 1:44pm
704 Posts
Haha! Pittbrah, you be the sensible one here and give mulus a comparison. It’d be interesting to hear.
In the meantime the battle continues….
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 2:46pm
168 Posts
Zealot! How dare you mock the chine! Zephyr’s perfect angular belly design is a juggernaut of monster perfection. Scorpius and his insect brood will bow before Zephyr.
…misspelled, catchy phrase to make me look cooler…”
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 5:09pm
886 Posts
Fools! You all shall soon be smitten by the terrible powers of Kamanu’s newest creation! Release the Kraken!!!!
Fri, 04/11/2008 - 5:32pm
412 Posts
Pittbrah?
” Wake me up when season starts “
Sat, 04/12/2008 - 11:18am
13 Posts
does anyone know hull weights for each boat?
Sat, 04/12/2008 - 3:21pm
177 Posts
Sorry Mulus,
I have not seen nor been on the Scorpius or Zephyr. They are just coming in to my locale this spring. Looking forward to trying a Scorpius personally.
I went with a Pegasus this year to complement the Kaimana my Wife and I already have (which we absolutely love - its great in everything). I sold my Fuze last summer…it wasn’t the ride I was expecting for me.
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 5:44am
177 Posts
Weight isn’t really ‘that important’ of a factor between boats - i.e. 2-5 lbs doesn’t make a huge diff on the water. Many of us could gain to shed a few lbs, myself included :-)
No idea what the actual weights of the two boats will be but here are some numbers of ‘actual weights’ of rides from respective builders for what I own(ed) that I weighed on a digital scale.
Kaimana (4 years old) - Carbon, Fully Rigged - 30lbs total - Hull 23 lbs
OC Fuze (2007) - Carbon/Kevlar, Fully Rigged 36 lbs - Hull 28 lbs
Pegasus (2008) - Carbon, Fully rigged 28-29lbs, Hull 21-22lbs
I typically find the new OC Fuze, Fusions to be heavier than other comparable boats which makes sense due to the use of Carbon/Kevlar and the Gel coat quality is exceptional. The boats are definitely built very solid and that shows up in their extra weight.
I would ‘expect’ based on the build methods that the Zephyr and Scopius would weigh in roughly the same Hull weight if they were both 100% Carbon. If the Zephyr was Carbon/Kevlar as are many Outrigger Connection current models I would expect a 2-4 lb increase in that build.
Ask the dealers/builders for ‘expected weights’…..though that is not a guarantee that the boat you get will be on the money.
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 5:58am
333 Posts
Damnit you guys…..youre interupting the battle. Sit down and shut up. Thats some funny shit and I wanna hear how it ends.
Gentlemen, please continue.
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 11:23am
168 Posts
If by “hull weight” you mean “laser beam eyes” then Zephyr’s chined corneas will seer the gel coat off Kamanu’s locally-built and honorable surface. Yet another heretic will cower in the wake of zephyr’s overbearing and slightly irritating presence.
“Zephyr, activate sales whore behavior NOW!”
…misspelled, catchy phrase to make me look cooler…”
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 11:55am
633 Posts
I
m not taking the bait yet.... but keep going , Im enjoying this . :)http://maineoutriggerchampionships.blogspot.com/
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 11:59am
24 Posts
manny on a zephyr for state race…
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 3:16pm
633 Posts
Did he win ?
http://maineoutriggerchampionships.blogspot.com/
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 3:28pm
24 Posts
junior was first by a-lot actaully…
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 3:34pm
24 Posts
im pretty sure this was third…looks like a familiar boat to this discussion right?
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 3:36pm
24 Posts
here is 4th, i think…
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 3:41pm
633 Posts
Chine riders finish one and two at state meet?
http://maineoutriggerchampionships.blogspot.com/
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 3:59pm
30 Posts
Wow. Cant remember when was the last time that happened.
Those guys would have won on any boat, chines or no chines. I think the gap would have been bigger if Jr.was on a scorpious.
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 4:57pm
30 Posts
Was Kai there?
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 5:01pm
24 Posts
actaully, i didnt see him.
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 5:08pm
81 Posts
Kia was not there …everyone knows its not the boat but the paddler that wins races…I think it is great that Manny is trying new boats to test which one improves his over all time.I was at the start with him and he just took off like a bullet…I have a custom made Zephyer and it takes a bit of getting use to in the surf…I was on a Fusion last year and found I was not swimming as much as this season but I think once you can get the Zephyer dialed in like Keral has it is a rocket.But once again its for the most part the paddler not the canoe…
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 5:32pm
24 Posts
thank you…perfectly said…why i still use my beat up old orange and blue stingray. what color is your boat, and your # ill find and put up your picture from the finish…
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 5:35pm
813 Posts
just to clear up my own confusion.
Kia=Kai
Keral=Karel
right?
C.P.L.
Sun, 04/13/2008 - 11:16pm
633 Posts
My early perceptions after first getting on a Zephyr were similar to eddiesurfhawaiis` . I had the feeling of being dumped out quite a bit but after dialing in you can anticipate the movement of the canoe and use it to your advantage.
The Zephyr is a very advanced design and paddlers like Jr. and Manny are able to squeeze every ounce of performance out of it.
http://maineoutriggerchampionships.blogspot.com/
Mon, 04/14/2008 - 12:48am
66 Posts
Manny squeezed out a pretty good paddle at the Oahu Relay last month on a Scorpius.
The results are located elsewhere on Ocpaddler.
http://stand-up-paddle-eastcoast-racing.blogspot.com/
Aloha,
Bill
www.sandbridgeocc.com
Mon, 04/14/2008 - 1:47am
108 Posts
Weighed a rigged [China] Zeph usiing a decent (not great) quality bathroom scale by weighing myself a few times then my weight with boat on shoulder a few times. 35 lbs. However, need other boats on same day at same location on same scale to know relative weights.
Biggest problem I had was holding onto the Zeph; it just wanted to scoot out of my hands and fire off down the road; those chines just don’t like standin’ still, they wanna plane all day long. If I had a round bottom’d boat I’m sure it would’ve just sat on my shoulder lazily like a giant wet noodle…
Mon, 04/14/2008 - 7:28am
704 Posts
umm guys, if you haven’t noticed there’s a very important battle going on here. You guys are totally ruining the epic scene. Take your sensibility elsewhere.
Mon, 04/14/2008 - 8:11am
136 Posts
aaaaayeee, aaaayeee …
Eyes pop open…
From the depths of the Ala Wai, a once great warrior reawakens to heed the battle crys of his family and with no apparent movement slowly swims out……..
Mon, 04/14/2008 - 9:38am
704 Posts
Scorpius is no match for sales whore behavior and is mortally wounded. Its doom is imminent against the evil and corrupted Zephyr army called OC East Coast Team Riders and death is certain with the aid of Keral, son of Keral, rising from the depths Kawainui Marsh and helping Zephyr crush Scorpius…..
Mon, 04/14/2008 - 10:42am
168 Posts
Victory! Zephyr smiles, plotting his next OC East Coast Team Rider recruitment utilizing the stringent criteria of “people who have bought one.”
Scorpius was no match for his international agreement. He later promotes himself to Emeterius Paddlus Posterus Nonstopedus. His lacky, e02060, receives the title of midpacker, third-class.
…misspelled, catchy phrase to make me look cooler…”
Mon, 04/14/2008 - 11:50am
136 Posts
Gator returns home, seems there is no place for a rough surfaced, un-chined relative anymore.
… casts a gaze and submerges’….
Mon, 04/14/2008 - 6:33pm
412 Posts
Allow me to retort, Its the paddlers not the canoe…Manny made it 1st in a Scorpious then second in a different canoe. Jr. is fast on anything. It sounds like splitting hairs when it comes to the fast canoes. But the true way to tell is try one. Looking forward to trying a Scorpius some day.I sure did love the Zephyr. Let the battle rages on. Ill sit down and shut up now.
” Wake me up when season starts “
Tue, 04/15/2008 - 6:46am
108 Posts
No way; it’s gotta be the boat. Otherwise what good would it do to put chines on these racers so that we get marketed to throw more money at poor fitness and lousy technique?
Sure beats working out or spending more time on that damn ocean!
Tue, 04/15/2008 - 10:27am
9 Posts
i agree with mulus…..”its the paddlers not the canoe”. what canoe are you most confident and comfortable in should be the number one criteria. second is the support and the reputation of the maker. i’ll sit down and shut up too….for now?
Tue, 04/15/2008 - 10:31am
436 Posts
…I vote: boat.
…and that’s a SCIENTIFIC FACT!
Go Kailua!
Tue, 04/15/2008 - 12:54pm
813 Posts
is your user name pronounced “Go Thor 321” or “Got Whore 321”
just wondering.
C.P.L.
Tue, 04/15/2008 - 5:42pm
813 Posts
ah GOTHOR you are still reading this thread. i was going to wish you good looks forever as well, but i see you’ve corrected that. guess i’m not the only one on the small bus eh? nothing strikes deeper than having your intelligence insulted by a misspelled post.
C.P.L.
Wed, 04/16/2008 - 9:20am
9 Posts
to: jc9 0
Refer to the “Too Many Kids Posting Comments” thread under this forum.
Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:07am