I was not aware the the Pegasus was aval in both carbon and 'glass ....is this true ??
I ask this because I ordered/bought a carbon Pegasus a year ago and over time I have gotten a few dings around the footwells from change overs and it chipped the top coat of paint off it and what was exposed was a yellow/whiteish colored lay-up . I always though if it was carbon it would be a black material the would be exposed . I called the dealer that sold it to me and he said that it was carbon and it was just the color of the resin that I saw and in fact it is a carbon boat ?
Is he correct .......or should it be a black colored lay-up ? Just want to make sure it is a carbon boat I got
Submitted by OCsprinter on Wed, 09/10/2008 - 8:52am
Please look at the Comparison Chart:
http://www.oc1design.blogspot.com
The information is from their website; I don't know how up to date the info is, but carbon or glass are mentioned.
Yellow/whitish color may be a filler ? Carbon is definitely black.
Example Hurricane: the entire footwell is/was(?) made out of fiberglass; that part is then set into the carbon frame. At the overlap, filler is being used.
#1 Wed, 09/10/2008 - 9:55am
Carbon doesn't conform that well in the complex curves of the footwell, so S Glass is used by most manufacturers in these areas. It's common in most canoes.
Rambo
#2 Wed, 09/10/2008 - 10:58am
errrr. i be told by a certified composite technician th' opposite. carbon will go around turns easier than s-glass. also, from what i’ve been told, e'en if a boat has carbon, 't will also be havin' a layer or two o' s-glass. unless o' course ye want t' pay extra fer more carbon. i be nay a certified composite tech, but i can tell ye carbon goes around th' curves o' a surfboard pretty easy, while s-glass be a bit harder fer me t' use. that’s me only experience wi' 't.
#3 Wed, 09/10/2008 - 9:26pm
If the canoe was made in china it would have been primed then painted. maybe you are looking at the primer ??? why not scrape a tiny bit deeper and see if you hit the black carbon !!
#4 Wed, 09/10/2008 - 11:33pm
Didnt think they made carbon pegasus in China??
#5 Wed, 09/10/2008 - 11:41pm
Kai has had carbon Peggies make in China for at least 12 mths. I have one of them and at least another 90 have been sold in OZ. I've a lot of paddle chips on the deck edges of the cockpit of my Hurricane and the visible fine white fabric is definitely glass. As the Peggie is made in the same Chinese factory, i don't see why it would be any different. They all mostly go thru the same processes, just different molds.
#6 Thu, 09/11/2008 - 1:19am
Glass way easier to see whats going on in these more complex areas and hence more reliable for build consistancy / quality.
All things equal, the finish of the glass also has a lot to do with it's pre AND wet out stiffness in terms of workability with any resin.
#7 Thu, 09/11/2008 - 1:31am
My new 2008 Pegasus from China is indeed full carbon and the footwell area (where the pedal edges have rubbed off some paint) at the forward edge of the well is indeed carbon. It shows black carbon under the paint where these tiny paint spots have been edged out by the pedals contact over use.
Cheers
#8 Thu, 09/11/2008 - 5:48am
Quality of paint job on Pegasus, not great!
#9 Thu, 09/11/2008 - 5:54am
again I will ask this question then........was or is there, a Pegasus made in china that is aval in in fibreglass ? I wasn't aware there was and was under the impression all were carbon . The white I'm seeing under the paint definatley looks like 'glass so this has me concerned ...How do we know which material boat we end up with ? It could be a 'glass Peggy sold as a carbon and really you would not know as both are light weight but price difference is big
I know they make the hurricane in fibreglass and both boats are made in the same factory . The hurricane in 'glass is pretty much the same weight as a carbon .I weighted a 'glass hurricane and it was 22 lbs and the carbon was 1 lb less .Sitting the 'glass version beside a carbon they look exactly the same and pick them up and they pretty much feel the same
I'm not disappointed w/ the boat other than a iako problem that is ongoing
#10 Thu, 09/11/2008 - 8:20am
The Hurricane has the entire foot well built out of glass, the rest of the boat is carbon. I have taken my boat apart and put it together again.
The Pegasus could be the same.
I do not think that there is a Hurricane for 22 lbs entirely made out of glass. It should be heavier as it takes quite a few more layers to get a comparable stiffness; however, you say that you know it - did you cut it open ?
The Outrigger Connection boats are entirely out of carbon - I saw the lay up while done - and I believe Kevlar was used, too, not sure if they still do it, no glass.
#11 Thu, 09/11/2008 - 8:33am
I have both a Pegasus and a Hurricane and the hurricane we ordered as a 'glass version after seeing them around my area for some time and no one has had any issues w/ the 'glass so far and it was considerably less .
When it arrived the dealer showed me the shipping document for all the hurricane's that came in and the weights of each one .I picked mine up and then picked up a carbon version and you couldn't really tell a weight difference
The advantage for me is that I use it for flatwater and its far cheaper and easier to repair than carbon so it made sense to go 'glass and so far no issues at all and it feels a little lighter than my Pegasus
I have seen quite a few 'glass versions and they are all light ,so much so that a local club that ordered some for club use decided ,after they arrived ,that they were too light and they worried they would not stand up to heavy duty club use
#12 Thu, 09/11/2008 - 9:01am
Paint on my new 2008 Pegasus was excellent. Not a single problem.
Same factory that builds the Hurricanes so paint should be comparable for those models.
#13 Thu, 09/11/2008 - 1:58pm
Exactly Pittbrah, i unloaded 75 of the hurricanes and peggies from this factory in the last container shipped here and the finish on all of them was top class, actually the red Hurricanes were stunning.
Rambo
#14 Thu, 09/11/2008 - 4:19pm
My China pegasus was flawless as well. A very well put together canoe.
#15 Thu, 09/11/2008 - 9:05pm