After reading the other thread about cross training and seeing how many of you seem to also surfski , I was wondering if you had any feedback yet regarding the chined Think Legend .
I`ve already read all the forum posts on surfski.info. but would like to hear some feedback from some other sources.
This boat has chines that make the ones on OC canoes look nonexistant.
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Submitted by fuzerider on Fri, 09/12/2008 - 3:09am
I had to google Think Legend to find out more about this surfski. There's a good picture of the chine on the ski and some interesting analysis on the design in surfski.info. I haven't seen any in Hawai'i. Is there even a rep for this surfski on O'ahu?
#1 Fri, 09/12/2008 - 4:07am
Here`s a little more info on this boat:
http://ultramarathonpaddling.blogspot.com/search/label/Innovation
#2 Fri, 09/12/2008 - 4:34am
great pictures and review on that link - the lines aka chines on that surfski is nice - the article says something to the effect that the chine effect is not as efficient at slow speed so at what minimal speed does the chines have an effect on the performance of the kayak design? In any case, its quite interesting. I like that its more stable, making it much easier to apply more energy towards the kayak stroke rather than for balancing.
#3 Fri, 09/12/2008 - 4:44am
Last year he came out with the really popular EVO - the Legend is a more performance designed Surfski with more length and and yes some chines - but the secondary stability is superb on this surfski. The Evo is a great introductry ski that will rip in big conditions.
This ski has become very popular in the pacific northwest, especially among oc paddlers and adventure racers.
#4 Fri, 09/12/2008 - 6:09am
Check out this pic of the radical looking bottom of the Legend:
#5 Fri, 09/12/2008 - 8:05am
How are you finding these pictures? Do you own one - thats pretty cool. I don't know if its the angle but it looks like the bottom is almost flat!
What is the difference between primary and secondary balance? Sorry, I am not familiar with those terms.
#6 Fri, 09/12/2008 - 8:40am
primary stability - at rest; best: flat bottom
secondary stability - in motion; best: round bottom
and all the variations between the two.
Interesting fact: for very slender vessels only a minimal, almost negligible addition of drag with chines - publication Lazauskas
#7 Fri, 09/12/2008 - 8:48am
i've got an evo... find it great for rotation and balance. and it's a blast in the bumps. also an amazingly fast way to boost your time on the water without getting "burned out" mentally by paddling oc all the time.
i'll put up a link to the pictures of the chines on the legend later. have a number of pics...
the secondary stability in both ski's, imho, is amazing. initial or primary stability is ok, but i find that comforting when in choppy water actually.
#8 Fri, 09/12/2008 - 11:15am
kamamakakaua,
To answer your question :
No , I don
t own one , Im finding the pics on the internet.I have a Legend on order , probably see it in 2 weeks or so.
#9 Fri, 09/12/2008 - 12:15pm
Chines, chines chines !
Oh no ! Not again.
#10 Fri, 09/12/2008 - 9:33pm
I`ll do some real world performance testing of the Legend against the chineless Epic V10 L and report back here with the results .
#11 Sat, 09/13/2008 - 1:08am
Someone say chine?
That boat has some seriously hard chines. Would like to demo it I tried an Evo and liked it. I like the V-10 but I ain't no Oscar so a boat more forgiving in the rough will likely be faster for me.
#12 Sat, 09/13/2008 - 6:35am
eckhart, I think you've got it a little wrong on what primary and secondary stability are. It's how far you can heel/lean the boat over before it capsizes. A boat with good secondary stability is less likely to roll and you can usually find a balance point where you can keep the boat stable off-center. Look at prospector canoes, most sea kayaks, and whitewater boats for various ideas on what constitutes good secondary stability.
Probably way too much technical info on stability, but check out this link if you really want to learn more about this.
#13 Sat, 09/13/2008 - 3:53pm