Hey,
I am looking to get an OC-1 but am having a bit of trouble trying to narrow down the choices. I'm located in the States on the east coat, am 5'11", 32" inseam, roughly 210 lbs., and am looking to paddle the boat primarily on flat watter but with a focus of getting to the point of doing some ocean races. I have seen the threads that suggest that I do some research, look at the OC1 comparison chart and demo the boats first.
I've done some research, started to talk with some folks and looking to demo a Hurricane in the next week or so. There's quite a few boats on the OC1 comparison chart that seem to fall witihn my range, but the sizing (specifically the recommended weight range) seems to be a bit vague especially when you visit some of the manufacturers sites. As such, I am not sure what boats to target.
Any thoughts or recommendations would be appreciated, and thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Bruce.
Submitted by BruceK on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 4:50am
Bruce ,
For fair and unbiased info call eastern outrigger :
207-841-5321 c
#1 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 5:03am
At your height and weight you could paddle anything. Like everyone says, try as many as you can and choose the one that feels best to you.
#2 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 5:35am
Yeah ,
At your weight you could have your pick of most any boat.
#3 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 5:47am
waidda minute, waidda minutes, "for fair and unbiased info call eastern outrigger?" How does that work?
That's like saying I wanna buy a truck, so go to the Ford dealership, they'll be fair and unbiased.
Is Eastern Outrigger really going to say "Hey BruceK, you know after talking to you I really feel our boats won't fit your style, give kamanu composites a call."
Dunno bout that one...
#4 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 7:54am
Fuze may be O'Reilly from Fox.
#5 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 8:06am
Bruce, you just bled into shark-filled waters. You should change your login name and contact info now.
#6 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 8:24am
e02060!!!! The shovels could say that to me also.
Bruce.... Try as many boats as you can beg, borrow, or small kine borrow until someone ask for it back, in as many water conditions as possible. Just as poopoo said the dealer of course wants to sell their product.
Main thing "have fun"
:)
#7 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 9:26am
i think th' difference here be that Bruce be lookin' t' buy somethin'. nay sell somethin'.
#8 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 9:19am
You might be surprised. I called Fuserider (Eastern Outrigger) and had a bit of a discussion with him about where I wanted to go with a boat and, though he did highly recommend the boats that he sells, he did provide assessment of other boats that might be considered. He also recommends that I demo the boats regardless of who makes them. All in all, I thought it could be fairly described as a "fair and unbiased” discussion.
Demoing may be a bit of a difficultly for me. Location and connection are a bit of an issue. I will see if I can hook up with some people at the local clubs near here.
#9 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 10:02am
Wow, just when you thought you had fuzerider pegged, he goes and does something all fair and unbiased...
#10 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 11:22am
Bruce, we are trying to collect some data about oc1:
http://www.oc1design.blogspot.com
Hurricane is considered the best flat water boat, as far as I know. When the wind picks up > 15 knots, or in the waves, this advantage goes away. This is my own experience at 210 lbs.
#11 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 12:05pm
Bruce, where are you on the east coast? Would you primarily be paddling fresh or salt water. I've had a few boats (including a Hurricane). I liked the hurricane but it got a bit sore in the o'kole after a short time. I felt heavy in it (in fresh water) and I run about 195. I presently have a pegasus and like it in most conditions (primarily ocean). I have a Huki that I use in fresh water/flat conditions. You've got Fuze over here who carries the OC boats (I have one of his OC2 stingrays), and there's another guy in Connecticut who sells hurricanes and pegs.
#12 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 12:34pm
Bruce explore all your options - Hurricane, Pegasus, OConnection boats, Kamanu boats Hukis where you can.
There are plenty of other paddlers/clubs in Ecora can that help you out with their feedback on boats as someone said here also talk with Blake at Hawaiin Outriggers East who sells Hurricanes and Pegasus http://hawaiianoc1.com/
I replaced my Fuze with a Pegasus last year and for me it has been a great boat at 195lbs. Take your time find what works best for you.
#13 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 12:55pm
Drewp
Are you bringing your S2 to Mayors Cup?
The OC2 field there is going to be fun this year.
#14 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 1:08pm
Ahhhhh, I've been a freshwater boater (whitewater, squirt boat, and C-1) so long that I never thought to consider asking about the difference in buoyancy between fresh and salt h20. I'd say It would be primarily used in fresh water (probably 80%/20%).
#15 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 1:08pm
I usually train in fresh water too because it`s closer to where I live.
Salt water is 20 minutes away and fresh is 10 , so I mostly go fresh.
Saves time spraying off the boat afterwards....
#16 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 1:13pm
Drew:
If you ever happen to bring the peg up to the Schuylkill, could I try it out, please please?
#17 Tue, 09/16/2008 - 1:53pm
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#18 Mon, 03/23/2009 - 7:06am
Brent ,
You are a collossal asshole .
I wouldn`t sell you so much as a thumb screw in the future.
#19 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 6:12am
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#20 Fri, 03/02/2012 - 9:34am
Awesome!
I suggest everyone watch the movie "300," drink a couple of beers, and start posting.
I will get a comfy seat and enjoy the action.
#21 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 7:12am
Fuzey are you trying to be "witless protection dude". Calling someone an ass hole and putting a name to that ??????
What caliber do you use when you shoot yourself in the foot?
#22 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 7:54am
You`re right , I forgot his last name Beck , Brent Beck
Steaming pile of human debris.
#23 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 8:02am
fuze is not anonymous... so although he maybe often overzealous (to the point of nauseum) with his o/c love, i fully support his right to call out someone as a steaming pile... give and take.
btw: to clarify- "witness protection" was the fool, "witless protection" was the hilarious parody... maybe instead of being a punk and dicking around with innuendo, "witness protection" would have been better served going straight up and calling someone out as an asshole- i would have at least respected him more. hmmm. nah.
#24 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 8:31am
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#25 Mon, 03/23/2009 - 7:08am
Good , get another canoe .
#26 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 10:08am
WOW! I've only met Eric once and although I didn't think he was a great salesman, but he was an okay guy.
#27 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 10:22am
This is a great thread.
I am considering nominating it into the thread Hall of fame right now, but I need a little more detail.
Were the police called?
Any other paddlers or dealers that you would like to throw under the bus?
Can you please video your rant and concerns and post?
Also, I am truly supportive of all of your (Fuze and AukaiNYc) thoughts, opinions, and beliefs and am glad you have a forum to air these things out. We all need a place to talk and vent.
Also since many of you are "connected" on the East Coast, you might be considering calling in the mafia or "family". Please talk to Goto if you need back-up. He is the Don and for the right price might jump on a side.
#28 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 11:13am
I usually try to avoid the "Self-destruct Button" on this site, but others seem to have already pushed it, so here's my 2 pennies...
1) One-man construction and shipping times to the mainland are ball-park at best these days, (I deal with the same thing myself sometimes) and so, long waits are unfortunately, just a part of the business for now.
2) It is inevitable that a rep/shop/builder will have conflicts with a customer/buyer. Sometimes, the resolution will lead to a bad taste in the mouths of both parties.
3) In a forum such as this, posters/potential customers are specifically looking for experiences and recommendations from other buyers, so the "airing of grievances" is to be expected.
4) It is completely within the sellers right, (I would do it) to defend/explain the circumstances around a transaction that has been publicized as having "gone wrong". In fact, as a rep, I would consider it my responsibility to my manufacturer.
I'm actually very interested in where this thread goes. It's a shame to see one side has reverted to name calling, (not that I haven't called a few names in the past myself, but THAT was all in fun) and bitterness as opposed to an explanation. In the past, fuzerider has always appeared to me to be a pretty generous rep for Outrigger Connection...
Ha! I haven't picked sides... yet.
#29 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 11:16am
The customer recieved a brand new Fuze to ride at no cost to him because I felt I owed him something for having to wait so long for his canoe to arrive.
Brent had no gaps in his paddling time due to lack of a boat.
He went from a brand new Fuze at my expense to a brand new Zephyr seamlessly.
The cost increase of shipping was due to the boat being transported xc by truck rather than by sea container.
The price originally quoted for the boat included the sea transport but not an xc trip by truck .
The customer flatly refused to pay any additional shipping and even when I offered to pay half of it for him he flatly refused that too.
Myself , Chris O`Kieffe , and Steve from KAS Transport worked together to bring the canoe to Brent.
Delivery was made to Brent direct to him during Steves trip to avoid the canoe coming all the way up to Maine and then having to transported back to NY. This was intended to save on time and transport costs to the customer.
#30 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 11:52am
" steaming pile of human debris"......sounds like more puey talk
#31 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 12:27pm
just got me popcorn ou' o' th' microwave, i miss anythin'?
#32 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 12:32pm
Sheesh, I go away for a couple of days and the proverbial excrement hits the fan. I agree with Kona J, this thread is looking as good as some of the old Hypr ones. Ahhh, the good old days. This is way better than paddling.
#33 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 12:59pm
You know, I think I
d like to start a school for all the reps out there whod like to learn to offer thier products with the same tact and graciousness that I do .#34 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 1:12pm
@ Jibofo
No way! But I will agree...very entertaining!
#35 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 1:24pm
pot = kettle = black
#36 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 1:31pm
Uuummm .... this sounds like a great script for a new Rambo's Locker Movie.
#37 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 1:36pm
Kanu The Rock
BruceK,
To provide you a bit of feedback, I like having the flexibility of a sliding track seat. It allows slight on-the-fly adjustments of body position according to water conditions, etc. If you're starting out, it offers some useful leeway until you really know exactly what you want out of a canoe.
Good luck!
#38 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 1:58pm
Nah goodwaka, I may talk about poo, smell like poo, refer to poo as much as possible even though it doesn't fit the context, occasionally ingest poo, but I will NEVER call someone poopoo unless I know them and its a joke. That's just not cool.
I'm not taking sides yet either however I'd be pretty pissed to get a boat 4 months late and then be charged an extra $400. However fuzerider did go the extra mile in getting the boat to aukai even thought it costed an arm and a leg.
Brent Beck, is this the Brent Beck from Midpac?
#39 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 2:12pm
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#40 Mon, 03/23/2009 - 6:43am
It would be better, I think, if people realized the expected date of delivery is merely a best guess. I can see how this would be frustrating for people unfamiliar w/ the whole oc1 supply situation. If you really want a certain boat, say a Scorpius or a Pueo, chances are you'll be waiting quite awhile. But if you're unwilling to wait it out and don't really care which model you get, almost anyone on either U.S. coast can drive somewhere and buy a boat that will suit their needs.
#41 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 3:27pm
Jim I agree that with boats there's usually delays but how would you feel with an uncommunicated 4 month delay?
#42 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 4:09pm
Oh snap! If one of these guys went to Mid-Pac, then I'll obviously be on that guy's side. Sorry other guy.
#43 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 5:55pm
yeah what he spake ^^^
#44 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 6:40pm
Poopoopaddler: apologies! Nothing personal intended... although a "steaming pile of human detritis" does also describe your choice substance.
I wrote 'puey' meaning to play on the words derisive connection
#45 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 6:50pm
yup I agree, I'm taking the midpac guys side. Sorry fuzerider it personal.
#46 Wed, 09/17/2008 - 9:29pm
Well , I hope you people all enjoyed the entertainment here while it happened.
To tell you the truth , I really enjoy the threads that are a little fiesty even if I`m the one getting clobbered , is that nuts or what??
The Hypr ones were the most entertaining , though brutal .
Kona Js` high regard for last winters chine thread brought a smile to my face .
#47 Thu, 09/18/2008 - 1:30am