Hello,
What do you recommand against cold weather (well, not that cold, air temp. around 10-15°C and water temp. 11-13° C ) to paddle ?
For you people in warm areas, please com here to know what I'm talking about before living any sarcastic comments... :-)
I would like to keep paddling in winter too.
Submitted by ninefeet on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 11:51pm
haha if you want a good read up the History channel just had a insulation episode and they were talking about everything you guys have been talking about haha. History.com
#71 Fri, 12/05/2008 - 12:02pm
Ok, don't think I'll be on the water this week. The morning temp was -21 Celsius with a predicted hi of -19.....
The temp in my gararge was -3 so even the erg. paddle may be on hold.
On the upside beer chills in 30 sec on my front door step ;+)
#72 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 8:04am
Just Paddle you must be an optimist... then again what paddler wouldn't be stoked with beer chilling in 30 sec...
#73 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 9:19am
Driving beside the water, a cloud is forming from the steam off the water as the water is instantly evaporating into the -21 degrees....
Yowza!
#74 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 10:40am
Misery is Optional.....
#75 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 12:18pm
By that photo I'd say that misery is guaranteed.
#76 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 12:22pm
Fuzey said ..."Side note for Rambo :... My wife is now calling me Fuzey"
It's Ok Fuzey, my wife calls me Ramy ..... although there have been less complimentary terms at times ... but not since she got a Black Pearl necklace from my recent Cook Island trip.... hehehe.
Cheers Rambo
This Cold Water Boot Camp immersion video is a must watch.
#77 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 12:37pm
Water temp is 78 degrees and wind looks good for a Maliko run. In solidarity with all of our cold water brethren I'll be sure to pack my board shorts with ice cubes.
#78 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 1:05pm
Yup Jibfo, a splash of that water is instantly frozen to whatever it hits...
I was just in LA last week and it was 75 F. So I saw about a 60 defree weather change with 2 flights...
While on the cold subject, any thoughts on concerns for a boat hanging out in the chill. Seat is off, plugs are out, hangers are padded....
#79 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 2:29pm
Rambo ,
You must have gotten the message from that dog house video I posted here last week .
Black Pearls always do the trick ,,,,,,, ><(((((">
#80 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 2:37pm
I just got out of the water here in Malibu as it was getting dark and the temp was around 50 F. I wore a short john with a long sleeve rash guard and a pair of booties and felt very comfortable, I think any more than that would cause overheating issues as well as limiting flexibility.
Zumapop
#81 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 3:27pm
Its Just gotten ohh my gosh cold in the S/F Bay area this week, not New England cold but WAY too Cali cold!!
Holly Shi$
#82 Tue, 12/16/2008 - 6:06pm
New Years Day..'08. I recommend a banana sack for cold water play!
#83 Thu, 12/18/2008 - 1:56pm
oh my gosh... and I know this man ;> The blackmail is about to begin :> This is actually a great thread... we've just been invited to a polar bear paddle on Saturday and I'm game if it's a go. I understand now that I am woefully underprepared in terms of dry suit type clothing, but I'm hoping layers of cycling gear will do the trick for now.
#84 Thu, 12/18/2008 - 2:48pm
Forget about cycling gear, just wear the Euro-style speedo. It seems to work.
#85 Thu, 12/18/2008 - 4:02pm
Rambo
Thanks for that Video, almost 30 years in the Coast Guard and I have avoided the Cold water. The bay is getting into the 50s, still not cold by many of your standards, but its not baggies weather. and not a pleasant swim! The video talked about the importance of safety, Wear the lifejacket when the temps drop!
And have a plan!!
Thanks
Ted
#86 Thu, 12/18/2008 - 5:30pm
Yes, Thanks Rambo. I'm convinced. I'm going to go get myself a good life jacket (not the $5 cheapie from Wally World) and wear it during winter paddling. Just checked the water temperature, and its sitting at a balmy 36 degrees right now. Balmy, considering that the air temp will reach 15 degrees today.
Jibofo, Maui is sounding pretty good right now.
#87 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 6:17am
36 degree water!!! You're a better man than I.
#88 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 6:20am
Your a better man than most... I did a couple of morning practices in cali where the air and wind chill hit like that, you think twice about why you do this !@#$ as your loosing feeling in your feet and hands.
Note to anyone out there if its winter and you ever find yourself in a place where the cold water is warmer than the air. 6 am morning practice is a lot easier in board shorts and a short sleeve jersey.
#89 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 9:32am
I'm researching as much cold water paddling info as i can get, that Paddle For Cancer across Bass Strait from Australia to Tasmania in a OC6 Mirage http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/4472 is in April and the water and air temps are such that we will need extreme paddling attire, something that i haven't needed before.
So if any of you have suggestions, please forward them on.
As well as paddling, I will be making a Documentary of this crossing, so maybe you guys would like to buy the DVD ... all money going to the Australian Cancer Research Foundation. Maybe this one could go on oceanpaddler.tv ....Terry ... ??
http://crossingforcancer.blogspot.com
Cheers Rambo
#90 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 2:15pm
OK, here's the problem: If you dress for immersion in cold water, you will get too overheated while paddling. I have tried every type of flexible neoprene top, and even the thinnest ones are too constricting for our type of paddling. I have gravitated toward a pair of 3 mm neoprene pants and booties(below the waist you don't need to flex), and a layer or two of paddling jerseys on top. The caveat is, in winter when paddling alone on the Chesapeake Bay, 50 degrees F air temperature is my cutoff temp, and preferably not too much windchill. Then, even if I do huli and fully immerse, I can get back on and warm up by paddling. I also stick close to shore, no open water paddles in winter for me.
#91 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 2:46pm
50 degree cutoff? Ah c'mon-that doesn't even qualify as cold! Chesapeake Bay must be a sweet place to paddle. Crab cakes anyone?
#92 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 4:13pm
Neoprene shorts, neoprene socks, NRS Hydroskin vest, short sleeve Gore Tex top. Kept me plenty warm in air temps in the low 40's and water temps in the 48-50 degree range in windy conditions.
Wouldn't want to spend a lot of time in the water, but it doesn't take much time to right a canoe, climb on, and paddle like hell to warm up.
Of course I don't worry about those things anymore.
#93 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 5:03pm
Keep in mine we will need to paddle up to 7 hrs a day in this gear, I'm thinking that immersion will only be minor and that only the occasional wetting from a wave or spray will occur. Cold wind will be the biggest problem and feet will probably be wet all the time in the bottom of the canoe. Would layering be the way to go?
Rambo
#94 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 6:06pm
Movin out to oahu the summer, can't wait to retire!!
#95 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 6:09pm
The neoprene socks/booties will keep your feet plenty warm. Neoprene shorts are comfortably warm with no binding. Probably just the hydroskin vests on top, plus caps for your heads. If you're not in the water, that combo is plenty warm and unaffected by getting wet from spray. As soon as you get into your escort boat, strip off the vest and put on a dry synthetic (polypro, capilene, etc) top for warmth. Should keep you toasty the entire time.
#96 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 6:17pm
what are the temps and will the boat have covers on them?
#97 Fri, 12/19/2008 - 6:56pm
Rambo:
For feet, I'd do what I do for cycling in really cold weather plus a waterproof barrier:
Very thin wicking liner sock goes on first
Chemical toe warmer or full foot warmer on bottom of foot outside liner next
Gore tech sock over top these two (it's also very thin)
Finally, watershoe on top
Neoprene is not waterproof, so your feet will stay warm and dry with the gore tech sock and the chemical toe warmers that I use here in the freezing mid atlantic to bicycle with have been the biggest godsend that I've discovered. Good for 6 hours or so.
#98 Sat, 12/20/2008 - 7:22am
Keep in mine we will need to paddle up to 7 hrs a day in this gear, I’m thinking that immersion will only be minor and that only the occasional wetting from a wave or spray will occur. Cold wind will be the biggest problem and feet will probably be wet all the time in the bottom of the canoe. Would layering be the way to go?
Rambo
Rambo, there is a three day 200km race we do in South Australia on the Murray River in the middle of winter, 7am start. I usually go with long sleeve thermal, short sleeve over the top, wear the lifejacket over that than a cag or similar over the top, neoprene pants and running tights with neoprene shoes. If the weather is crap that usually keeps me warm, if I get hot, off comes the cag, also start with a beanie in the early morning till the sun gets up and then go with the cap if it warms up a bit. We tipped out at the start of day three in a K4 one year in horrendous conditions and swam to the bank and restarted with all our wet gear on. We were fine as long as we were paddling. As soon as the day finished and I stood around I got very cold and had to chuck a few blankets on. You might want to have a blanket or two on the support boat to wrap up in, those space blankets are great for that too and take up no room.
You are going to be really on the nose paddling for that long in thermals!!!@#$%
#99 Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:15pm
Last winter the bumps got up a bit and put me in for a dip . I was in and out so fast parts of me were still dry. moor recently I started making my winter paddling out fit a little better.
Rash Guard covered with merino wool sweater and merino long johns rain gear and 3mm neoprene Gloves I have Chota's 3mm closed-cell neoprene boots keeps you warm and dry ( bone dry ) up to the knee, I put work socks and regular socks on I think the feet are the first to get cold. and a toque.
and last but not least PFD and cell in a bag.
Merry Cristmas
#100 Sat, 12/20/2008 - 3:07pm
Just saw a vest that is heated with a battery pack. Not sure if I actually would wear it but options are out there...
#101 Tue, 12/23/2008 - 9:00am
North Face made a battery powered heated jacket and vest. Not sure if I would want to get them wet.
#102 Tue, 12/23/2008 - 9:49am
Rambo, MEC online has good pricing for gore tex socks.
Have had a pair for about 12 years now for cycling and now in my neo paddle boots.
-21 this am still not on the water, regular launch site is iced in....
#103 Tue, 12/23/2008 - 12:36pm
x-bomb wetsuit from RIP CURL are surfboard neoprene suits of course to get wet, and heated aswell........never try 'em yet, but they are my sponsor, so maybe next winter 2009, they will hook me up......i will let you know....
marry marry christmass!!!!
#104 Tue, 12/23/2008 - 4:14pm
What's all this whining about cold weather. Go to wunderground.com and put in Mt. Washington, NH. Its currently -28F with the wind at 92mph gusting to 109. Now that's downwind conditions.
#105 Thu, 12/25/2008 - 7:59am
That may be true Jibofo, but My Washington is so high , it`s summit has a different climate than the surrounding land.
From my house you can see Mt . Washington but where I`m standing its above 30 degrees right now .
#106 Thu, 12/25/2008 - 8:23am
There's a little lake just down from the peak, Lake of the Clouds. Aside from the fact that its frozen solid right now, conditions are ripping.
#107 Thu, 12/25/2008 - 8:35am
Sunny and worm in Vancouver today
#108 Sun, 01/18/2009 - 7:10pm
#109 Mon, 01/19/2009 - 6:51am
For those who a confused the previous post it Temp variables it descibes the winter "Inversion" in the Mountains........
#110 Mon, 01/19/2009 - 6:53am
It was 66 degrees w/ offshore winds in Westport, Wa. on the coast yesterday. Here in Seattle, It was clear as a bell, blue skies and upper fifties! Maybe we'll have coconut trees and trade winds pretty soon!!
#111 Mon, 01/19/2009 - 7:27am
40 degrees up here yesterday morning at dawn. Cold fingers loading the canoes. Fortunately it was pushing 80 on the water.
#112 Mon, 01/19/2009 - 8:13am
Beer right out of the garage tonight, chilled to perfection via cold concrete floor and -1 out. Feels good to go green.....
#113 Mon, 01/19/2009 - 9:01pm
41 degrees here too today at Echuca.
41 degrees celcius!!!!!
#114 Tue, 01/20/2009 - 12:35am