Waxy Maize

I wouldn't mind waxing my maize or better yet, have it waxed. It's so, so new to me, and then she...

#2 Tue, 12/02/2008 - 6:38pm

It's been a while.

#4 Tue, 12/02/2008 - 7:52pm

Kevlon, I have extensive experience with waxy maize, email me at
jlang12@hawaii.rr.com
I can help

#6 Tue, 12/02/2008 - 11:23pm

Sorry Kev, the devil made me do it. Seriously though, waxy maize at first glance looks like a body building product, or at least it seems tailored for that.
Where would be the advantage for long distance paddling besides placebo gains?

#8 Wed, 12/03/2008 - 11:57am

Beware Kavin. Who wrote the article for Wikipedia ? The Waxymaize sales dept, or an indepedent source ?
I'm more inclined to get some info from cylists or marathon runners. We have the same needs and a I think we could benefit from their experience. I don't see how bodybuilding is related to 4+ hours paddle.

#10 Wed, 12/03/2008 - 2:22pm

OK, I've read the waxy maize article...
Soory, I tought it was some kind of dietary supplement or the like... ;-) I didn't know that maize = corn !!!
I've got to perfect my english....

#12 Wed, 12/03/2008 - 2:36pm

Well it's being promoted that way (as a superfood) by the BB Community and it's suppliers.

I wonder what happed to ...

Noni Juice
Gobi Berries
Etc etc etc .......hahaha

eat train,eat train, eat train................. simple
Sittin' on your arse is normal for Carpenters and you will indeed see me at Coffs Nats next week.

Rambo

" For we are getting older and we lost our freedom when we got married."

#14 Wed, 12/03/2008 - 4:28pm

Ok I don't want to sound like a spokesperson for waxy maize, but I have had great results using it. As the saying goes don't knock it till you try.

Rambo....fats burn in a carb flame? I am a little unclear about what that means. Science has shown that fat is actually one of the last sources our bodies use for energy during intense (anaerobic) exercise....aka paddling. Fats and carbs can also utilize two entirely different pathways in which they are used by our bodies for energy

Carbs require less oxygen than fat and breakdown faster reasons why our bodies utilize them first. Don't get me wrong athletes are very capable of tweaking the energy sources which their bodies use first. However, this takes time and is a total science...hard for even a seasoned nutrition veteran.

I also agree that our bodies see food as energy no matter what the form, but you left a very important player in you argument......proteins, which breakdown faster than fats and slower than carbs.

As for you losing 5kg, I would guarantee the majority of that was water and the rest were equal portions of fat and protein and likely more protein. Unless you have fine tune your body to utilize fat more.....have you?

On the case of Waxy maize being a "superfood", it is just that almost every energy supplement out there uses maltodextrin and/or dextrose as the main component. This has been the case for soooo long.

Waxy maize digests much faster than these and thus is bioavailable faster than one might think. When I drink it paddling I can feel my stomach emptying, and I believe it digests much faster. I have never bonked and felt way better than on hammer gel, cytomax, etc. Furthermore, maltodextrin and/or dextrose pull water into your stomach to help it digest. This can lead the bloating feeling many complain about. Waxy maize is just corn starch plain and simple, although the top products using it have a few additives to help it mix well and taste good.

My bottom line is that everyone is different, and what works for me may or may not work for someone else. My friend eats babyfood and smokes me...would I try it? Probably not.....but would I heckle saying he's wrong...no way!

The key is trying out different products and combinations to what does work, all the while keeping and open mind about trying new things. Maybe not weeks before Molokai, but maybe on a seasonal basis wold be the smarter approach. These things take time and that is what you must invest to have success. At least if your not one of the freaks I am sure many of us know who can drink all night eat a zippys zip pack and charge the channel like no other......wish I could do that....

Aloha

#16 Wed, 12/03/2008 - 9:02pm

I'm not knocking any of them, just the way they get hyped,overstated and make believe dollar hungry scientists only tell half the story.

Hiro, even i knock Vegemite, tastes nice with Noni Juice....hahaha

Anything you can catch, pick or dig up, that's what you should eat.

Huki, fats need the presence of carbs to metabolize into usable energy, the exact explaination is all over the net, that's why you need to keep the carbs up in a long race - 3 plus hours. You will never ingest enough carbs on their own to sustain energy output during long distance exercise, you need to burn the fats. And i did say most of the 5kg loss was water and as you stated also muscle tissue (protein).

Your brain also need s carbs!!!

Rambo

#18 Wed, 12/03/2008 - 10:14pm

Hiro, if that description came from a quack scientist, it would have read ...........organically filtered thru a sieve retaining the original flavor of the exquisite cohabitant. ..... hahahaa

Rambo

#20 Wed, 12/03/2008 - 11:56pm

huki
Paddling is basically aerobic, not anaerobic (except in an all out sprint). Rambo is correct that in long events you cannot consume or have stored enough carbs to get you through, your body burns fats. You train your body to be more efficient in that mode by doing lots of long steady miles. Again, most of this has been well researched in other endurance sports such as cycling or distance running.

A good diet in general is the most important thing. Fad foods tend to be fad foods.

#22 Thu, 12/04/2008 - 5:23am

Noni is no fad or new food it's been used by polynesians for general health and well being for thousands of years. As for the solo or any longer race doing too much easy distance early will only kill your top end speed, and then you won't be surfing the channel. IMO at least one or two sprint sessions a week even early on in your build up.

#24 Thu, 12/04/2008 - 1:56pm

Rueben, i'm not knocking Noni, only the marketers like some of the network marketing companies that misrepresent it. The product itself is one of natures gems. I no longer use it because the supplies dried up here in OZ when the networkers moved on.

I agree you need blend of speed and base, but the Solo is a completely different race than say the Molo Hoe C/O and the training for each needs a totally different approach, but the base miles still must be there for each. Much more short interval stuff required for the Hoe.

Jibifo, the secret is what works for YOU, some people can get base mileage out of intervals others find long base mileage causes repetitive injuries due to poor technique/posture or not enough recovery time between sessions.

Your base miles are your launching pad, the wider the base the more peaks you can have in a season. But once you've spent your peaks you have rest, then to go back to base mileage again. It's like putting pennies in a jar, the more pennies you collect the more dollars you can convert it to, so those $3 dollars are 3 main races. If you only have $1 keep it for the Solo.

One mans secret is another mans poison, you need your own program based on past feedback.

Back to the Vaka Eiva DVD Editing Room ....
Rambo

#26 Thu, 12/04/2008 - 3:14pm

Cheers Kevlon for the newbie on waxy maize. I am going to look into it.
Sometimes I don't have time to consume the right foods. This stuff sounds good. I may well try it.

#28 Fri, 12/05/2008 - 4:35am

Snake oil, anybody got some snake oil?

#30 Fri, 12/05/2008 - 7:23am

Mangosteen is not getting the back up from new research. I guess the marketers can thrash something and make a buck before the truth is known.

I jumped on the Noni band wagon but will stick to a multi vitamin... much cheaper..and high in vitimins and minerals... more so than any super fruit...snake oil and a dam lot cheaper!

Still gonna look into Waxy maize though :-)

#32 Sat, 12/06/2008 - 3:17pm