2 or 3 piece OC1 canoes

How long before we have 2 or 3 piece OC1s. The day must be near.

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CHeers Rambo

Submitted by Rambo on Thu, 12/25/2008 - 11:38pm



Well auctually Rambo they do come in 3 pieces...
Hull, Ama and Iakos.
Just joking mate I know where you are heading.
It would be great to fit your OC1 inside the car or stack it away in a box in the corner of the garage.
I got caught in a quick storm today with two OC1 on my roofracks. It had me second guessing how I had tied down my cargo.
As much as I love em, they are a pain to cart around.


#1 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 2:25am


steering cables????? how you solve the equation?


#2 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 2:51am


I can't find it, but I'm sure Allwave had a Tsunami in 2 parts...


#3 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 3:01am


Cables wouldn't be a problem, they make quick connect/disconnect joiners for cables on bikes that come apart for transportation. Didn't Karel make some three piece Mirages?


#4 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 5:34am


All wave make 2 piee one man 2 piece four men 3 piece six men
i forgot the 2 piece twomen sorry to many numbers for this little brain.
We have transport prolblems in Italy so if you have a short car you need a short canoe.


#5 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 6:16am


Gio,
Any picture, link ?

Grazie mille !!


#6 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 7:04am


i have a very old picture from 2002 from the first 2 piece tsunami molo solo.


#7 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 7:08am


Did Allwave changes his website recently?


#8 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 8:41am


Didn’t Karel make some three piece Mirages?

They make them for the European market when I asked about the pictures of them at their shop. They are easier to ship in a single smaller container and on transport trucks which have truck/trailer length limitations due to some of the roads.

Karel did make a two piece OC-1 for one of their older models (Viper or Mantra) as Sports Hawaii/Stitch This made a travel cover/bag for them.

Here's what it looked like in the bag.

http://www.sportsgearhawaii.com/travel.htm


#9 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 9:15am


There's plenty of OC6 bolt - to - gethers around, i was mainly reffering to OC1.

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Rambo


#10 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 10:19am


Here's the Outrigger Connection 2-piece (Viper) model they made. I believe it was a one time thing though seeing as now Karel Jr. gets to use a demo boat from the nearest OC distributer/dealer wherever he goes.

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Wonder how hard it would be to make a two piece model from an existing OC-1? That broken Zephyr someone was selling on here could have been a good project to try to make one while fixing it.</br/></br/>


#11 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 11:05am


I'm pretty sure that model is the Gator. Karel only made a few. More of a flat water boat.


#12 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 11:21am


Yeah it was the Gator, he left it here at Hamo after a visit and Moolooaba ORC bought it. It only just recently broke after someone abused it.

Rambo


#13 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 11:40am


ninefeet,
they are still working on it,
You might be interested to this...if you don't know it yet.
http://www.ivf-european-vaa-surfski-championship.com/
ciao. Hope to see you there.


#14 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 8:03pm


i understand how the sixmans stay together, but how do the onemans?


#15 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 8:48pm


Same tyler, a bulkhead in each half bolted together thru a hatch.

Rambo


#16 Fri, 12/26/2008 - 9:23pm


Could use a 2 piece oc1 in japan, especially if your living in the city. Storage is probably the biggest thing that stops people from paddlin out here. We need 2 piece oc1's!


#17 Sat, 12/27/2008 - 4:44pm


Some time ago I demo'ed a 2 piece Gator from OC Connection. It seemed pretty reasonable for the times and would transport nicely in an airplane's belly. I've only seen the one though so the 2-piece must not have taken off for the jet setting OC-1ers. There are 3 piece OC-6 Mirages that are used in Europe (Italy) because a standard outrigger trailer won't work well on a small cobbly old world street.

Rambo, enquire with Jr. of OC Connection when he comes to Perth. I think he can give you the low down.


#18 Mon, 12/29/2008 - 10:28pm


There's a two-piece Stingray which was reportedly brought over by Karel to Hammo maybe?? a few years ago....................It now lives on the Murray River at Echuca, Australia..... Stansy owns it, Clarkie glued it together......goes alright!


#19 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 5:03am


Not hard to do once you mentally get over the first 1/2 cuts. : )


#20 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 10:31am


Just thinking about what you said Onnopaddle, it would be good if you could insert the 2 bulkheads joined together thru a hatch and tack them in place, remove the bolts and then cut the hull. You could then do all the added strengthening with perfect hull alignment.

Also rather than internal bolts, a single locking lever recessed into the top of the deck and a two piece interlocking device at the hull floor level, would eliminate the need for access hatches and would snap together in under 30 seconds.

Similar setup as the old barrel vacuum cleaners, where you split the barrel to access the dirt bag.

Sounds like a project for Eckhart ..!!

Rambo


#21 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 1:15pm


Rambo - that's how my current project ended up any way ...

Tomorrow will be the next test paddle. Meanwhile I repaired a Zephyr; now I can return to the project.

As a side project I am building an acrylic camcorder housing. I have yet to figure out how to clamp the lid unto the barrel/O-ring to get it sealed.

I was thinking turn-bolts - is that the right term ? - but it does not seem ideal.

Acrylic housing because the camcorder can be operated with a remote control and with a mirror on the side the LCD will be visible.

Another option may be a PVC frame with a screwable back plate outside the acrylic that would press the acrylic lid down when fully tightened. Would add weight, though.

Any ideas ?

Housing in the works, protective paper still attached:


#22 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 6:50pm


Ecky, this is what i shot the underwater shots at Vaka Eiva with.

It's a Dolphin brand water proof torch case with a new low iron glass window inserted. The Canon HF 100 fits perfectly in place of the 6v battery with a little foam on the sides and has room for a wide angle lens adapter. The LCD can be closed and the remote will still work if fired thru the window. If you look at the LCD infra red pickup it has a little window on the inside AND OUTSIDE of the flip out screen.

Cost..... i had the case $0
Low Iron glass $20 bucks to have cut to size.

Immersed for 1 hr in a bucket ... no leaks.

But i only go down 1 metre for short periods of time.

If you want a pointing device mount a little rectangle on top of the case calibrated to the view thru the LCD screen.

If you want more control with the remote, water proof a small fiber optic TOSLINK cable thru the case and point on end at the remote reciever window and the other at the remote control LED.

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Cheers Rambo


#23 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 6:16pm


I used to make housings for 35mm cameras and just used small stainless steel wing nuts. Worked fine.


#24 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 6:11pm


Thanks Rambo,I tried to go that way; I did not know that you could operate the infrared with the LCD closed. And I did not find a waterproof flashlight housing yet. I figures it would be fun to try Acrylic, too. It is amazing how the 'capillary welding' works.

When you open the LCD and flip it over, the overall size increases and the fit is not that good anymore.

The torch housing looks great because it is light and fits perfectly, has a handle, all you need. I tried to glue a side window into ine, but abandoned that idea for now.
The acrylic housing looks cool with the camera inside; just the clamping ahs to be worked out. I was hoping to avoid having to drill into the housing as I do not know how long such screws will remain tight.


#25 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 6:34pm


There's a ton of them on the net, this one uses clamping levers.

Don't worry about weight, you will have to add lead to sink it anyway as the damn thing will want to pop out of the water all the time taking you with it. It's full of air... hahaa

http://www.instructables.com/id/Underwater-Housing-for-miniDV/


#26 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 6:34pm


And while i'm giving all my bloody secrets away, this is what i'm using to shoot Karel with from the Jet Ski. Purpose built for shooting Hi Def from a Jet Ski, with 7" external framing monitor, remote control zoom/record with TOSLINK fibre optic extender,1080i Hi Def Cam 2hr recording to SD Card, 4 hrs external battery pack. Comes with waterproof covers for the cam, monitor and remote.

Don't be fooled by the little cam, it's basically just a big Hi Def Bullet Cam, no moving parts.

Enough techo babble for today .. i need a paddle.... over to you Mahatmark ....hahaha

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#27 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 6:41pm


That looks great. There is a hack for a Casio mini TV screen to act as a view finder on the net somewhere.

This is not the HF 100, then , is it ? I thought they did away the the LANC setting; regretful.

Do you have some info about the external battery pack to share ?


#28 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 6:48pm


Ecky, you can see the little TOSLINK cable attached to the camera LCD screen.

Ramboscie


#29 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 6:43pm


The 12v battery runs the big monitor and the Cam. It has an 8.4v regulator in line to the HF100 and full 12v to the monitor.

The base of wheel has a 3/8 adapter to take a Gyro Stabilizer, but at $2500 ...... well have to sell some DVd's first. But i hired one and it's awesome. It spins at 20,000rpm and trying to turn the wheel is like fighting a Formula 1 car around a corner, but dead steady footage even when the jet-ski bounces.

R


#30 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 6:52pm


Just some thing to remember about the design of the "O" ring seal. I found out the hard way. Water pressure will try and push the ring into the case, so it needs to have seals at 3 points 90 degrees to each other.

Like this one

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#31 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 6:59pm


How did 2-3 piece canoes morph into camera designs????

It's your fault Jibofo ...!!!!
It's your fault Jibofo ...!!!!
It's your fault Jibofo ...!!!!

Ecky, yes it is the HF100 and yes there is no LANC socket on it.
In an Acrylic case i built a while ago, i put a small monitor at the rear of the camera INSIDE the case so you can see it thru the back of the case, that way you can keep the case diameter small. Press on Ecky, yours will go further under water than mine.

Rambo


#32 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 7:17pm


The other option Ecky, is an Ewa Bag made in Germany. I have an early model one i use, the latest ones are awesome, but expensive. This is the one made for the Canon HF 100, will go too 10ft underwater and you have access to all controls and the LCD screen

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http://www.ewa-marine.de/index.php?id=617&L=0

This is the old one i have $20 bucks on ebay, it has access to the controls thru an internal/external rubber glove.and is huge. Will take a full size SLR with zoom lens and room for 3 cans of Kona Lager or 5 packets of TIM TAMS ...hahaa

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#33 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 8:48pm


I understand the fiberoptic remote control now - very nice.
Will you wrap your 'wheel' to waterproof everything ?
It really looks amazing.


#34 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 9:02pm


If you want a cheap fibre-optic extender, just nick one of the stems out of those "pot plant" lights that change color.... hahaah.

The monitor is already splash proof, the cam has a clear WP bag with glass port and the remote has just a clear bag. It's not for IN water only ON water. The cam bag had to have a breather as it generates heat, but that's no problem. It's definitely more versatile than a shoulder mount and more stable.

That is about prototype 10, i keep changing it all the time. I have clip on mounts for duel lights, external shotgun mike and a laser pointer and the best thing is, all the cam controls are available with both hands on the wheel and that is important for steady footage.

Cheers Rambo


#35 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 10:41pm


I suppose i should explain the Laser pointer, I've dropped just about everything else. It helps train your coordination to keep a steady position even when bouncing around on the back of a Jet Ski. You aim it at say a white area on the hull of a canoe and try and maintain the spot in the monitor, especially when zoomed in. It also allows you to take your eyes off the monitor for a while, knowing that if you hold the spot, you have the framing you set up.

Something very interesting, well maybe for us camera freaks anyway Ecky. If you point a remote control directly at the camera lens you can see the infra red light in the LCD monitor but not with the human eye directly. And they lied , it's not INFRA RED ...... it's INFRA FIGGIN' GREEN. Try it .... ain't that just too cool?

Cheers Rambo


#36 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 11:23pm


Just hope that laser pointer isn't too strong and doesn't fry the camera sensor.

Damage to Camera Sensor from Laser Pointer?

Even a 1 mW laser beam can potentially produce permanent damage to the CCD or silicon sensor array inside a video or still digital camera.
If the camera is focused at infinity, a collimated laser beam will be focused to a tiny spot on the image sensor. Whether damage will occur depends on many factors including the type of image sensor, quality and focus of the optics, and how long the beam is held in one place. A 1 mW beam (much less than what some laser pointers produce) is roughly equivalent to the brightness of the noonday Sun at the equator on a clear day and when focused to a 10 um spot (the approximate size of one pixel on a typical video camera) it becomes 10,000 times more intense! Needless to say, pointing a camera at the Sun is generally not recommended.

There are people that go around damaging or disabling video cameras with laser pointers.


#37 Tue, 12/30/2008 - 11:55pm


No you misread my post, i said the REMOTE CONTROL not the laser pointer E7M. In particular the camera remote control.

Can't blame you for that, i did ramble on.

Cheers Rambo and HNY all.


#38 Wed, 12/31/2008 - 12:49am


Yeah, must of gotten the part of you using the laser pointer to spot and the infrared remote mixed up.


#39 Wed, 12/31/2008 - 1:03am


Rambo, how about controlling the remote input with a photo sensor/switches or ultrasound sensor/switches, maybe using an Arduino ?

It would be nice if the remote could be kept in a solid case and less exposed.


#40 Wed, 12/31/2008 - 8:28am


You could just buy a cheap reprogrammable aftermarket remote and replace it when it's rooted.

Or hack the Canon one, unsolder the infra red LED from the Canon remote and replace with 2 wires coming out in it's place, then solder the LED to the other end and point in the vicinity of the cam. This works better than the fibre optic extender because the LED is more powerful and disperses wider. Call this one the hard wire extender.

I recon a Ziploc bag is all you need and push the buttons thru the bag.

What's a bloody Arduino? ... Sounds like something Fuzey does when he talks about his canoes.... ... Argue..eno... get it....... hahaha

Rambo


#41 Wed, 12/31/2008 - 11:20am


Arduino is a development board with a microcontroller mounted and a very straight forward development environment, very doable at $ 35.

Ideally the remote would be inside the camera housing activated by a sensor, like an optical sensor or passive ir that you can activate through the housing wall by for example putting your finger in a certain spot.

The microcontroller receives the analog signal in when the resistor value in the optical sensor changes and has to give some output to the remote.

Not really complicated, but not easy for a beginner ...


#42 Wed, 12/31/2008 - 7:34pm


It looks like an interesting project if you have the time Ecky. What about place the remote inside the cam housing and operate with proximity sensors on the inside of the case, like a touch screen. I think they work on capacitance changes when your finger is near.

Gee we must be boring everyone with all this stuff?? ...hehehe.

Rambo


#43 Wed, 12/31/2008 - 7:54pm


Proximicity sensor + 5 V battery pack in acrylic grip.

Canon has a frequency of 32000 Hz in some RC with 2 different delay settings; same for HF camcorders ?

All that is lacking is the proper code for the microcontroller - and some time.


#44 Wed, 12/31/2008 - 9:22pm


I'm getting a headache, think I'll just recharge the batteries in my GoPro!


#45 Thu, 01/01/2009 - 1:02am


clarkie
infra red remote control works with a very fast pulsating LED - light emitting diode.

26 nanosec on, 26 nanosec off

You can plug it's wire into a microcontroller and tell the microcontroller to set the pin where it is plugged in to be 'high' = on or 'low' = off at that speed.

That makes the LED oscillate 23000/second.

On the other end of the mocrichip you have some input like a switch or other sensor.


#46 Thu, 01/01/2009 - 12:02pm


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