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Submitted by eckhart diestel on Wed, 01/07/2009 - 8:02pm
I sent some pictures to the email on your blog. I was told this boat was designed by Walter Guild off a mold he took off a Tahitian one man. I was told it was a Kaiwi Challenger, but it doesn't look like the other one I have seen pictures of. Hopefully, someone can correctly ID it. Horizon? It's about 25' long and very narrow. If it worked, a pic is attached below. If not, I sent several to your email. Thanks for putting all this together. It's really interesting to see.
Wed, 01/07/2009 - 8:31pm
Here are a few more pics...
Wed, 01/07/2009 - 8:38pm
Thanks Eric - look at the ama ! Nice ama. I go with Kaiwi challenger for now. Someone will know for sure.
I kept the pic with your daughter out for privacy reasons.
Wed, 01/07/2009 - 9:22pm
That looks a lot like our old Horizon .Ill get pics tomorrow, ours still has the stickers and seat.
Wed, 01/07/2009 - 10:05pm
That is a picture of the Horizon outrigger canoe with the older ama. A newer ama was later made for it. The only thing missing is the optional splash shield that extended over the pedals and partially covered the single footwell. The hull was round and would not remain upright with ama removed. Early models came without internal stringer. Later models, made by Brent Bixler for Walter's Fiberglass Shop, came with a unique all fiberglass stringer or "strongback" designed by Brent. Back in the days when surfskis ruled, this was the only production solo outrigger available. It was popular as as an alternative to practicing the commonly accepted "6-man stroke" on, and the official solo canoe for the Steinlager, Winter OCC, King Kalakaua, and Kaiwi Challenge Relay races.
Wed, 01/07/2009 - 10:28pm
Regarding seat, it didn't come with one as we know today, for it only came stock with a thin sheet of foam glued to the fiberglass. Some paddlers later glued on their own blue waffle foam. I guess today you can velcro on a pre-made modern foam seat to it.
Wed, 01/07/2009 - 10:43pm
These are the clones of the first OC1 that Walter Guild brought out to Hamilton Is.
The deck has been slightly modified in the cockpit area, but is flopped from the original canoe.
No It's not the Kaiwi Challenger Ecky, that came later.
Wed, 01/07/2009 - 11:22pm
Rambo - did they have a name for those boats and who may have built them ?
Wed, 01/07/2009 - 11:25pm
I believe the canoes were made by Walter in Hawaii and shipped out to Hamilton Island in 1991. That's me jumping off the canoe in an around the island OC1 team race back in 93.
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 12:40am
I want to make a correction to that above. All the canoes in the pics above were exported from Hawai'i by Walter , they were apparently left over from the World Sprints Title in Hawai'i.
"John Foto set the 500m sprint record at the Hammo Cup in '92 on one of these canoes that stood up until 2004!!! The longest standing record in the events history."
Oops looks like Barts had already corrected me.
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 2:19am
No guessing who this old fart is...... 1990-1992??? Rambo @ (correction no not Hammo) Gold Coast on a 27ft Sponsored Gordon Jeffries Oc1 one of the first made in Australia. The local Telephone Company Telstra bought it for me, hence the shitty color. It was morphed from a rowing scull. Not much culture there. ..... sad.
I did have a Black Bart full carbon paddle though, cost me a fortune.
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 2:25am
Wasn't there even an earlier Tahitian rudderless canoe on Hammo Barts?? I remember seeing a picture somewhere of an Ama with sticks and rubber for iako connection.
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 2:32am
Thanks for the info on the canoe. Now I know what it is. I think I still have the splash shield somewhere, but took it off, as it makes it hard to transport upside down on the surf racks... I molded a seat for it, but it's pretty rough... Made from an old messed up chunk of foam. If I paddled it more, I'd make a new seat. She was last in the water for last years Kanaka I Kaika Waimanalo race. The one with the howling winds.
As for my daughter, she is a total ham and ran in to get her paddle and pose as soon as she saw me pull out the camera...
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 7:36am
And if anyone cares, it has the "strongback"... Maybe if I paddled more, I could have a strongback, too. Work just always seems to get in the way of everything fun.
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 7:44am
hh, got to turn that around, everything fun has to get in the way of work.
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 8:10am
Except in the Marine Corps... Blowing off work for fun here can get you in a lot of trouble...
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 8:24am
Yeah, a little stricter work environment than most. Make the most of your time off.
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 8:26am
Regarding "strongback," open up the hatches and check if a stiff fiberglass ribbon, running from stern to bow is there? If no more, then, you ain't got one.
Also, about the seat, one elite paddler back in the old days, installed a high back swivel type seat to his Horizon. Looked like a small captains chair. Probably be able to fit a kid's plastic chair to the canoe.
Back in the 80's, those canoes could always be found hanging sideways with the ama down at Keahou CC. Today, most of them are stored on stands, with the ama locked up, at Lokahi CC.
To raise the ama up so it won't catch water, most of the paddlers would shim up the front iako. Or get a Honu Kai ama from John Martin, which fit perfectly. It's just a hunch, but maybe the Naia foam seat might just fit today?
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 9:24am
Ecky, maybe we can include the OC1's from other countries as well. There are ruddered sit on canoes made and designed in Europe, NZ, Argentina, Japan, Hong Kong and OZ, or do you see a need to stick to Hawaiian designs??
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 10:47am
We have a old Montgomery. My favorite old time OC1
From California. Once you got it humming man it would go.
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 10:59am
The boat does have the strongback. As for the kids seat, I shaped a foam one that I tape to back of my Pueo. The kid likes to ride first class...
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 11:56am
Rambo, sure we can include them. It will just be a little more difficult to find some Japanese OC 1 in some backyard over here.
The canoes should somehow relate to todays Hawaiian OC 1, as a sibling of sorts.
The one that Walter Guild exported would work.
Others could be filed under 'AU' or 'NZL' - that might work.
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 1:33pm
Don't all outriggers relate back to Hawai'i anyway ???
Oh ..ooohh .. here comes Goodwaka to teach me a lesson... hahaha
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 1:53pm
Horizon Magnum P.I. style
The California Montgomery OC1
Cool ama lashing
Old paddles from retired paddlers
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 3:51pm
Section for Australia and other countries
Thu, 01/08/2009 - 6:09pm
Now all you got to do is go bridge to bridge a few times in da Kawainui Swamp Canal comparing the performances ot the two canoes that are 20 years apart in age. !st generation vs. the latest.
ps: reminds me of taking the kids to the Mokes in a double Honu years ago, with two up front sitting back to back and another behind me.
Fri, 01/09/2009 - 12:34am
New entries in the 'museum'
Fri, 01/09/2009 - 12:26pm
No entry for Pegasus?
Fri, 01/09/2009 - 1:04pm
hasto - most valid help would be to post some pictures: plan view, profile view and body plan view. ( top, side, front view )
Some detail views of what you think is special.
The pics on the vendors websites are nice, but don't allow you to compare the different designs.
Polaris, Waveblade, Naia added.
Fri, 01/09/2009 - 2:49pm
Fri, 01/09/2009 - 3:31pm
some more entries
Fri, 01/09/2009 - 7:35pm
Sat, 01/10/2009 - 7:23am
Thank you, mulus, C-lion in museum now.
Sat, 01/10/2009 - 1:02pm
Here are some additions:
Oh yeah, you can see the bottom of my stingray in the last pic. I was new to racing OC1s (really)
Sat, 01/10/2009 - 3:43pm
Thank you; updated.
Does anybody know the canoe named 'Kumulipo' ?
Sometimes only extreme measures help - note: it is never the engine ...
- complete redesign of the bow, now the way I initially wanted to do it.
For those interested:
Sat, 01/10/2009 - 4:26pm
Does anybody know the canoe named ‘Kumulipo’ ?
Just looking at the picture of it, it almost looks like the One man outrigger/Surfski combo that's on Craigslist.
Sat, 01/10/2009 - 4:55pm
The Kumulipo in that pic is an OC1. There is no"hollow" seat option. I think it is still at our canoe site so I will go look and see if there are any marks/labels on it. Also the guy on it (though not the owner of the boat) may know something about it...I'll get back to you all.
Sat, 01/10/2009 - 5:44pm
Eckhart, sent you a couple more, Apache mako, and the Aust. made under licence makia.
Sat, 01/10/2009 - 8:03pm
in section 'Australia'
Thank you, Clarkie.
Those are great pictures. What is the Mako like ?
Is the Makia the original design ?
Sat, 01/10/2009 - 8:51pm
I liked the Mako, won it in a raffle, but it was built like an eggshell and everytime I looked sideways I would damage it. Had a big fat tail, the makia was all glass and surfed the break at "the wreck" at Byron Bay beautifully until I wiped out big time. Didn't know I'd split the hull until I got home from holidays. I think it is the original Makia design just made under licence in Aus. The picture I sent you of the Makia shows its unique surfing skills when you are short of paddlers!@#$
Sold both of them and bought a Zulu Warrior, will send some picks when I get time.
I paddled the 404km Murray marathon on the makia in 2004. Not real fast on the flat and a bit heavy. Mrs Clarkie paddled the race the next year on the Mako, still holds the womens record. Can get the Pegasus running well on the flat even though it was built for downwind racing in Hawaii. Love the light weight. The Zulu Warrior was a great all round aussie canoe, superseded by the new Zulu with a seat in the hull like most new designs. The new canoe is quite good downwind, a definate improvement on the old model. We might have a Fusion heading to our flat waters, hopefully the chines will make it run fast on the flat making up for the rocker (cue Fuze).
All the inlanders are heading to the Victorian Surf Coast on the 24th January for the big Outlaw Ocean race, can't wait to give my "China Polly" Pegasus a downwind run. Haven't done much ocean work since Rambo's boot camp last September.
Sun, 01/11/2009 - 3:36am
Sun, 01/11/2009 - 7:35pm
Here's a few pics I took of my OC Mantra.
Last Outrigger Connection Model with a round/flat bottom hull (chineless).
I shaped a new seat for it and used velcro to have it easily adjustable. This model came with a sliding one, but the seat was damaged (I bought it used). I've seen another Mantra that didn't have the sliding rail for the seat and instead, had a full length foam seat with a bladder cutout underneath much like the Stingray.
Tue, 01/13/2009 - 10:38am
Nice looking Mantra.....
Tue, 01/13/2009 - 11:05am
Thank you, moving to the 'museum'.
Tue, 01/13/2009 - 1:18pm
This is a photo for the Outrigger Connection Axis canoe. This photo is from the Pacific Paddler magazine,(December 2000 issue)
Wed, 01/14/2009 - 2:43am
so far the only Axis pic, thanks Harry.
Interesting ama position.
Wed, 01/14/2009 - 3:33pm
Apologies for resurrecting an old thread...
Was wondering if the museum is still being updated. Recent OC1 shopping has really got me interested in all the old styles and histories. Its awesome seeing the progression, and what design influenced what. Not to mention having a central place to see what canoe is made by what manufacturer.
Our club has an old "Stealth" that I'd love to get more info about, anyone know the history about them?
Mahaloz in advance,
Tue, 11/08/2011 - 6:40am
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I believe it was made by Karel Sr. shortly after he immigrated to the US in the 80's and started his own company Karel's Fiberglass.
Wed, 11/09/2011 - 2:54am
E7M: Yep, that's Karel Sr. on the beach in pre-Cuda kayak days.
Tue, 11/08/2011 - 9:55pm
@E7M: The stealth we have is definitely an OC1, not a kayak. I'll try to get some pictures up of it when I can get down to the club and take some.
I've seen a few others around mission Bay. Mostly in racks, not on the water unfortunately.
Wed, 11/09/2011 - 4:50am
Found the above website about Stealth Outriggers of Australia. Probably Rambo could chime in on this model and Ian (Lats) Rowlings the maker.
Wed, 11/09/2011 - 10:51am
The Stealths you see around M.B. were most likely produced locally in ChulaVista along with Seal and Sea Lion models.
Wed, 11/09/2011 - 3:33pm
You can find several foto of our roto-molded oc1 on our WEB;
Fri, 11/11/2011 - 9:12pm
Here are some pictures of the Outrigger Connection Viper.
Sat, 11/12/2011 - 8:57pm
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