What are the best conditions for a Hawaii Kai run?

Hi All,

Curious to know, for surfing where do you want the winds coming from? and what would be the reasoning behind that?

Any other tips would be appreciated.

With Aloha

Submitted by hurricaneflies on Thu, 01/08/2009 - 5:14pm

From Behind: NE, E, and SE are fine. But W wind (rare) run is a joy to savor, for the waves are steep between DH Buoy and Black Pt., going in the reverse Koko Hd. direction.

#1 Fri, 01/09/2009 - 9:37am

Strong trades blowing for several days, rising tide, and a whole lotta other stuff that I don't understand. Am I correct folks?

What also helps is riding wake off the dive boats. It can get you halfway across the bay with very little effort in a few minutes. Badass

#2 Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:06am

A rising tide is better. When the tide is dropping the current sucks back towards Molokai. Fishermen call it the Molokai Express. Watch the fishing lines off Portlock on a dropping tide, they will be swept back towards Molokai.
Best days are BIG following seas with a running current, 20-25 knot winds and big open swells that you can link up. There is nothing like it.

#3 Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:00am

Oops sorry, typo, yes rising tide is better. Will edit!

#4 Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:06am

What is the run from Makapu to Kailua like? I've been fortunate on a couple of visits to do the Hawaii Kai run, but want to do a paddle going along the Waimanalo side.

#5 Sat, 01/10/2009 - 7:49am

Not bad, if there's trades and rising tide. Hopefully one of the experts will chime in, as I haven't done it for a long time. I think Mokapu to Chinaman's Hat (Mokoli'i?) is the preferred E. side run nowday.

#6 Sat, 01/10/2009 - 10:34am

As usual, you probably don't want to go on either of these by yourself.

#7 Sat, 01/10/2009 - 10:35am

What's wrong with a blue water solo run? Actually I do it quite often. I'm thinking to give the Mokapu to K-bay a shot next week, weather pending.
Any suggestions on the conditions or what to look out for on that run?


#8 Sat, 01/10/2009 - 7:15pm

"What’s wrong with a blue water solo run?"
I hope that you are an exceptionally strong swimmer. Any sort of equipment failure and you are on your own. I hope at the very least you bring a swim fin with you on your solo runs.....unless you are an extremely competent waterman/waterwoman a solo blue water run can be a foolish venture. If you are prepared to save your self then go for it.

#9 Sun, 01/11/2009 - 5:05pm

Should we fly with parachutes as well. How about a full body air bag for driving on the road. How far is to far.......swimfins or epirb, maybe a flare or cell phone, duct tape, mirror or a handheld vhf? What if you konk your head! Helmets too?
I agree that safety and most importantly, a keen awareness of my surroundings, limitations, weather patterns etc., is of upmost importance and practice safe water time 100 % of the time. How often do all in a group of paddlers arrive at exatly the same time when on a long down wind run? Some one is always lagging behind, alone.......
Am I a strong swimmer? Relative to a fish no, but I can certainly swim 5+ miles without fins.
Point is, you can have all the safety equipment known to man, be an olympic swimmer and still have a fatal or near fatal accident. I'll be safely in the water not on the couch afraid I might have an accident.

We can either "Live Life" or "live in it"
As for me I chose to "Live in it!"

#10 Sun, 01/11/2009 - 8:25pm

A parachute and a helmet probably won't help much, but there's definitely people who take that other stuff. The advice was for the mere mortals, Aquaman. Feel free to swim to Molos naked if you like!

#11 Mon, 01/12/2009 - 2:53am

Marara, since this is only your third post here I have no idea who you are or your skill level but I'm beginning to understand why you spend your time paddling alone.
You posed the question, what's wrong with a blue water solo run? I don't really care if you get lost at sea on your personal adventures but there are people who come to this forum looking for advice. They might see your idea about taking their initial trip around Mokapu point solo and think of it as a good idea.That would be unfortunate.
Also, there is no shortage of stories about people who have decided they don't want to be encumbered by others in their pursuit of adventure. These are the ones where the fire department spend days looking for someone that their friends describe as having an adventurous spirit and didn't want to just live life but to 'live in it'.
Point is, try to make some friends and go paddling with them.....it's safer and a lot more fun.

#12 Mon, 01/12/2009 - 6:45am

different people will have their opinions

if you're a solo runner, ... to each their own- know your limits, be safe.

if you're a "safety equipment is gay" guy, well.. ok. hope your buddys don't mind bailing you out if something happens.

if you're both...

good luck.

#13 Mon, 01/12/2009 - 9:39am

In my mind there are 2 types of people that paddle solo:
1. ones that are unaware of the dangers
2. ones that are aware of the dangers but still go out

a few comments from my crazy mind:
A. I know a few people that were #2s. After having to swim 2-3 hours in the dark they stopped being #2s. Became #3s in which they didn't paddle alone.

B. if you are a #2 its an extremely selfish point of view. If you paddle solo in dangerous waters you are not just putting yourself in danger. You're putting the lives of the people that will try to save you if something bad happens to you. If you think "if I hit my head and die then its my time" thats fine but the hours and manpower it takes to find you costs everyone else $$$$, puts people in danger.

Just another point of view.

#14 Mon, 01/12/2009 - 10:14am

1. is a stupid and selfish person

2-B. is a perfect way to commit suicide in the event of some unfortunate disease.

2-C. Let everyone know what the plan is, so not to call 911!

#15 Mon, 01/12/2009 - 11:57am

"What’s wrong with a blue water solo run?"
That definitely belongs to famous last words!

#16 Mon, 01/12/2009 - 12:04pm

Get ready, for if conditions are right and the west wind is blowing, it will be a steep steep ride from DH buoy to Black Pt. After Black Pt. the waves are half the size blowing you to the "blinking buoy" at Hawaii Kai. So maybe pull into Kahala and go back to Sans Souci and do it again? And then go on to Hawaii Kai?

#17 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 2:08am

More power to you. However I agree with the rest that 1) it's more fun to paddle with a group, and 2) it's safer. But if you can swim 5 miles in the open ocean, you're not a typical paddler (human...). If you know your limitations and know the dangers... I say go for it (for liability purposes, I didn't actually say that though). Another thing to think about is that if you have an equipment failure and have to swim for it, you lose your boat...


#18 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 8:00am

Obviously there is some safety in numbers, but don't overestimate it. In epic conditions unless everyone is making a concerted effort to stay in close proximity, you're quickly spread out (and out of sight). Rest of the group may know you're missing, but that's it. Still got to be responsible for your self.

#19 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 8:07am

Point is....in order to live in life there are risks. I love to paddle, therefore I desire to live another day in orderr to do it all over again...... It was irresponsible of me to minimize the risk associated with solo runs. Keep safe, inform yourself and don’t make stupid mistakes. Marara

#20 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 10:06am

personally i do solo runs.... guess that i'm irresponsible!

Jibofo is correct; " got to be responsible for your self".
be safe, the ocean is free, alive and wild.

that's what keeps me coming back for more.


#21 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 10:24am

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