Looking to get a V-1. Wanted to hear some opinions or recommendation on where to buy from. If there are links to websites of the companies that make them it would be great!
Thanks
Submitted by JPNPADDLER on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 8:20pm
Looking to get a V-1. Wanted to hear some opinions or recommendation on where to buy from. If there are links to websites of the companies that make them it would be great!
Thanks
Submitted by JPNPADDLER on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 8:20pm
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if your not in a rush kamanu composites is coming out with there new one and it was designed by them. and if keizo did it like he did the new ama then ill be waiting cause it should be good..
#1 Fri, 01/09/2009 - 9:07pm
There new V1 is in the process of being tested. I can't wait to try it out. Yeah if Keizo designed it, it has to be good.
#2 Fri, 01/09/2009 - 9:50pm
Tiger makes one (Teva Nui).
And there is a company that imports them from New Zealand.
#3 Sat, 01/10/2009 - 7:31am
If you got a lot of money like I do, then I would buy as many V-1's as possible before the world comes to an end...cause I wish I bought more for my self....haha..
#4 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 12:56pm
Thanks Hiro,
I agree 100%. I'm a little less kg than you!
:)
#5 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 11:05pm
Thank you guys for all the information! will look into it and will wait around for the Kamanu V-1 to come out too!
#6 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 3:11pm
Kamanu Composites' is not Philips boat, Keizo designed the hull from scratch.
#7 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 5:27pm
Sweet. If Keizo designed it then I'm twice as stoked for it to come out...
#8 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 5:36pm
i own a timi va'a that is located on the big island if anyone is interested. it was improrted to hawaii last spring.
#9 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 5:35pm
#10 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 6:25pm
Thanks for the clarification on the Kamanu boat... I miss understood from Philip when I spoke to him last. That's great that they are trying out their own design!
Timi Va'a looks great! definitely the standard of V1's to measure the others against.
Luke, cool project! Thanks for touching bases. :)
#11 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 11:03pm
Timi's a good choice for light paddlers...
If you're a bit high on the weight scale ( I weight 92 kgs -approx 203 lbs ) then Ah-min Va'a is a very good option. Some of them were exported from Tahiti to Hawaii last year.
#12 Thu, 01/15/2009 - 10:17pm
timmy me likey your Timi. but i too must wait for the Kamanu boatus.
#13 Fri, 01/16/2009 - 7:24am
Just wondering why you no just remove the rudder from your OC-1? I've never had any problem paddling any model of OC-1 without the rudder, so I don't understand why I need to go spend the bucks for a dedicated canoe just for that purpose? Surely, there must be a current or older production model OC-1 that might perform as well as the dedicated one? At least I have the option of putting the rudder back on if I like.
#14 Fri, 01/16/2009 - 9:58am
It would be even cooler if you could use it for a surf ski as well. That would clean up my shed quiet a bit.
#15 Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:30pm
On of the most amusing this vs. that debates in the (kayak) paddling world is Rudder vs. Skeg vs. Nothing ... watching with anticipation as the question of putting an adjustable skeg on a canoe comes up.
Waiting with my flame fan ..
pog
#16 Fri, 01/16/2009 - 1:15pm
Even more amusing... why not just paddle it with a double wing paddle wich is far more efficient than a canoe paddle... ;-)
#17 Fri, 01/16/2009 - 3:49pm
SURFSKI:
A few of the early OC-1's had this feature and I think someone even got a patent for it. Remember Twogood's Mako surfski with an ama and iako on it placing in the top 5 in Kanaka Ikaika races? Or the Bixler/Karrel Mantra canoe (with wae on deck) racing as a surfski without the ama and iako? Later it became the Matrix surfski without the wae.
SKEGS:
I guess a fixed skeg is ok if you want to track straight ahead, for try paddling a long surfboard without one. But I like to slip and slide my canoe sideways and the skeg might interfere. Maybe a modest soft chine would do? Anyway, I like the smooth uncluttered lines and finish of todays modern oc-1 hulls and I'm just curious how they would perform without the rudder?
WING PADDLE:
I've tried paddling an oc-1 with various wing paddles and they just feel awkward and really couldn't make them perform as well as a single blade canoe paddle. I did have a better time with the double flat blade kayak paddle, but it was rather unwieldy. A true canoe is steered by a paddle, and you just can't beat a single blade canoe paddle for steering and maneuvering a canoe. Try paddling backwards and sideways with a wing paddle and see what happens.
#18 Thu, 01/22/2009 - 9:35am
On the subject of V1..............since surfski Oc1 and other floating air containers dont classify as va a -- the general opinion and in fact the mandate was, that skegs of any sort dont belong on a V1.
I went to a fair amount of expense do develope a skeg that replaces a rudder in order to improve tracking when paddling rudderless. The idea made sense because a hull designed to work well with a rudder needs to have a tail that is loose in the water, since the rudder holds or moves the tail end laterally. It (a skeg) workes well for straight tracking , and can be made as small or large to allow either more or else less side slip..... but, what is the point of it? If the craft is not a V1 (meaning that it is a a basic hull only, with lashed ama and iako powered and steered hoe style) then it is something different......of course there is the argument that tradition is irrelevant, so that anything goes. Or does it? if this was true then why is a surfski with a small ama (say about two inches long) not elligeable in OC1. This little 'ama' could be stuck on so called 'wae' out of the way behind the so called cockpit of the ski. It would fly, or have permanent 'air', so would logicaly be he most advanced ama. At the same time the purely traditional ruling for a single blade can be trashed.
#19 Thu, 01/22/2009 - 2:02pm
Why not ?
Tradition will always remain what it is.
Question regarding tradition: I did some reading about Samoan culture. It was said that it is not really acceptable to outdo others financially etc.
Is that true ? How does it apply to sports in general and paddling if true ? Same ?
#20 Thu, 01/22/2009 - 6:39pm
According to a Samoan born friend, this is apparently true. But although costs have dampened growth there, paddling is coming on well in Samoa.
My thoughts on the questions are.........if one paddles for personal satisfaction, and does ones best at it, then inherited culture makes no diferenceto performance.
#21 Fri, 01/23/2009 - 5:34pm
Thank you, goodwaka - I think it is a healthy attitude.
#22 Fri, 01/23/2009 - 6:49pm
In Hawaii, it is referred to as the "alamihi syndrome.' Or the Hawaiian is like the black crab that no can crawl out of the bucket because the other crabs always stay pulling it down.
#23 Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:01pm
koacanoe - what does that alamihi syndrome mean for competitive sports, like one man paddling ? Is individual performance frowned upon ?
#24 Fri, 01/23/2009 - 10:24pm
No!!! Never in competitive sports. Only the idea of trying to be better than everyone else socially was frowned on. I guess it was misunderstood that getting a higher education and entering the so called professions was showing off. However, entering the trades and excelling in a skilled craft was accepted and encouraged, which also included canoe racing. Fortunately today, the "alamihi syndrome" has been eradicated, but I still remember the metal bucket full of crabs pulling back each other, and hearing about the syndrome, back in the days when the alamihi were plentiful.
ps: Sometimes the alamihi leave their discarded shell for me to find when I launch my one-man canoe, which I consider a good sign: reminding me that I also renew myself everytime I go paddle.
#25 Fri, 01/23/2009 - 11:58pm
Thank you, koacanoe. The alamihi syndrome ( political view ):
http://www.moolelo.com/alamihi-letter.html
#26 Sat, 01/24/2009 - 8:04am