New canoe by Outrigger Connection

Eckhart mentioned an announcement was imminent from Outrigger Connection regarding a new canoe for 2009. Was this a joke or are they actually working on a new canoe? If so, does anything have any new info on it?

Submitted by Coc0nut on Mon, 02/16/2009 - 4:13pm



Ad is out for it in Pacific Paddler. Called the Osprey. Osprey is a hawk, do they eat Pueos.


#1 Mon, 02/16/2009 - 4:59pm


see here for previous discussion.

http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/4697

it has all ready been determined that an Owl would destroy a poor Osprey.

for those too lazy to read the last thread here's the proof as posted by goto.

Quoted from “Interspecies Conflict: Animal vs. Animal” by Fady D. Isho:

“Unless on the ground it is unlikely that an osprey can do much to attack an owl. It wouldn’t be defensless, however, the owl can quickly crush the skull, or pierce the brain of the osprey.”

clearly, the conflict will not happen on the ground, but rather in the water. bummer for the Osprey. perhaps another greek god name would have been better. or at least a really huge bird that could kick a pueo's ass...like an ostrich or something.


#2 Mon, 02/16/2009 - 5:35pm


more bad news:

from the Hawaiian Almanac and Annual by THOS. G. THRUM,

"It is difficult to state the precise nature of the occurrence of the osprey in the Hawaiian Islands. Mr. Perkins writes me that he has shot the bird upon Oahu, where it "is found as a straggler and no doubt at times on all the islands. It is, I believe, more frequent on Kauai and Niihau." The writer has neither seen nor heard of the osprey on Hawaii and, though the bird may occur here casually, the coast being well adapted to its habits, it is certainly neither a regular inhabitant nor a regular visitor to the windward side of the island."

the good news is, Ospreys are commonly found every where else in the world. so they have a good foothold elsewhere.


#3 Mon, 02/16/2009 - 5:39pm


jc9_0 - :)

I was thinking of that new boat. I have seen it a few times and heard some brief comments about it.

If it paddles the way it looks ( not only above the waterline ) - then 'fasten your seat belts'. :)
My guess is that it will set a new trend.

Coc0nut - you're funny - no joke for sure.


#4 Mon, 02/16/2009 - 8:26pm


if it's so yummy, eckhart, i'll help you cut your losses and take your new pueo off your hands for 1/4 price.


#5 Mon, 02/16/2009 - 8:30pm


The Osprey is designed for lighter weights, jc9_0, I hope that it will carry 200 - 210 lbs as well.

When you get a chance to see it, you will see what I mean. I do not know how it will perform, but I wouldn't be surprised if it performs well or even very well, simply because the hull has been narrowed, and that can make a boat fast. OC's boats have a lot of buoyancy, so the hull may still sit high on the wave.

The Pueo that I paddle has a special value to me due to it's tribal design, trying to take it off my hands may be a costly endeavor - even at 1/4 value :) .
Open ocean paddling has become more fun for me on the Pueo, no doubt.

Is there a link to that ad in Pacific Paddler ? Rambo, the boat is openly being used here in Kailua Bay - I do not know if demo is possible at this point.


#6 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 8:50am


I was sworn to secrecy over a beer..... urrrhhh what the heck, what's one little secret. ......ssssshhh

It's very narrow at the paddle entry point like all the new surf skis, so you can get close to the hull with the blade and ..... yikes !!! .. who's that ....

Bash ..

bang .. wallop..!!!

OK .. .OK ... i promise i won't tell any more secrets


#7 Mon, 02/16/2009 - 8:43pm


Ill be excited to see it. I raced on a Hurricane this weekend and moved up a few spots for sure especially since it was very flat, but im not about to go get one. Ill be really interested to see how this new OC boat will be in the surf. Im guessing that this will be side by side with a Pueo. Too bad it wont get a fair run on this website.


#8 Mon, 02/16/2009 - 9:13pm


Yeah i know it's been on the water being tested by the man himself, looks nice, probably what the FUze should have been in that segment of the market.

Just the same, that one-off super lightweight FuZe i demoed a couple years ago at Hamo was a rocket http://rambos-locker.blogspot.com/2007/04/outrigger-connection-fuze-my-r...

Ramobscie


#9 Mon, 02/16/2009 - 9:58pm


February issue of pacific paddler is not on line yet, so no link to the ad photo. Ad is full page and the canoe definitely looks very tucked in at the front of the footwells for paddle clearance.


#10 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 5:46am


I just received my February Pacific Paddler issue, the OSPREY looks very good.What a beautiful canoe!!!

Photo is attached. Click photo for large view.


#11 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 7:22am


I have been underwhelmed by the recent names given to canoes. This last one has taken me over the edge-which isn’t too difficult. Come on “Osprey” Are we serious? How about “Care Bear, or My Little Pony, or Sea Fairy”? Builders should ask the OCPaddler forum to name canoes for them.

I have some ideas- “Death Star!, Beat Down, Glock, or for more local flavor, Da Moke! , Goto, Rockza, Bully, or S.O.S.
We used to have scary, tough names like Sniper, Pahoa (Dagger) , Gator- Now it has come down to a battle of birds vs Canoes that end is “s” and are related to mythology.
I know it is related to marketing around the world but let’s get tough.

P.S. I can’t wait for the first responder who gets angry at this post and doesn’t see the humor. And yes I know I can build my own canoe and name it whatever I want.

I invite you to suggest better names for builders in the future. Although it will be impossible to top my list


#12 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 7:46am


Also, if that Osprey doesn't have a chine, I know someone whose whole universe is about to explode and crumble around him-FuzeRider


#13 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 7:56am


how bout people stop naming these boats all these weird names that have nothing to do with paddling. i think everybody should follow the lead of TIger and Kamanu Composites, give them Hawaiian names. Boats in Hawaii were never named english names or greek or whatever language is being used nowadays. Right on Kamanu and Tiger, keep it local


#14 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 7:53am


The picture doesn't show the key detail of the foot well - the walls are just a touch thicker than the side wall of the seat.

Kona J - Don't boats usually get the name of the love you are dreaming of ? :)


#15 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 8:32am


"Too bad it wont get a fair run on this website."

I think any canoe that's good and has fair customer service gets a fair shake on this site. OC's taken some heat because of over-aggressive, somewhat swarmy, sales pitches here in the forum. And the whole Canadian-built fiasco. If the Osprey is a good boat, it'll be known.

Harry - thanks for the scan and posted pic.


#16 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 8:43am


I guess I should take the comment back about the Osprey not getting a fair run here. No new boats have come out since the Pueo so it remains to be seen. My apologies. I really value all of the different points of view here but some people have really changed their tune over the last year, thats where the comment came from. Im really looking forward to the feedback on this new OC boat from the guys on Oahu since they will no doubt get the first rides in the best conditions.


#17 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 9:11am


So this canoe is to be a challenger in the flats as well? I was on their website as the add recommends but could not see the new boat listed...


#18 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 9:19am


From the picture it looks like it has some Pro-boat flatwater influence, or even Olympic K1, with the cut away deck for a cleaner entry. Will work really well with a marathon canoe paddle made to shape around the hull with the pull through.


#19 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 9:58am


interesting.

someone pointed out to me in the picture that it looks like OC has elected to adopt the plumb bow design aspect as well. the revolution continues.


#20 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 10:41am


Can't wait to see some side pics of the rocker and bottom too.

From this angle, bow looks very Johnny p. esc...

Looks like they smoothed out some deck contours as well.

EZ-er for production.


#21 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 10:54am


The details of the foot well look much more radical in reality.
The sliding seat and the drained cockpit are nice features as well; I think the sliding seat has been a feature on one of OC's OC2s.
I can see future boats have these features - that's why 'trend setting'.

The boat is overall very narrow at the paddle entry - 12 " outside is about the minimum other, you need at least ~ 11" for your feet, and the deck is slightly cut back.

The deck contours are not much changed, aft they are slightly smoothed out as onnopaddler says, in front it is somewhat different from previous models.

The bow and the front vertical volume resemble the Zephyr closely, with a little less overall volume.


#22 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 1:04pm


Interesting design....
Does anyone know if the hull follows the deck shape? I mean, does it taper in at the foot well, and then bow out at the seating area, or is it a fairly consistent shape down its entire length? It is hard to tell whether the deck and the hull follow the same lines, or whether just the deck bows out to form a kind of 'cockpit' for the seat vis a vis the fuze....?
Definitely interested to see more pics, and perhaps some of the hull specs. Maybe more info will be forthcoming from Karel & Co.


#23 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 1:32pm


Will be interesting to see how comfortable it would be for us bigger guys with the narrow foot posture. "That may reduce leg drive B+) "

I find my Zephyr width at the feet to be better than the clubs Huki's and I like the wrap fit of the seat a little better than the sit on top of the huki and hurricanes I tried. (I know others that are exactly opposite though)

I'll wait till I try one to know. I would like to hear some views of those out there on one.....


#24 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 1:57pm


Eckhart,

Does it have a chine?

I wouldn't call all of the features trendsetting, of course I haven't seen the boat

1-If it has a track system for seat, that has happened before, but that one does look more comfortable

2-The Makia by Tiger Canoe was just as skinny at the feet


#25 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 3:11pm


I think it has chines, don't quote me on that, but pretty sure.

The picture doesn't show the side wall of the foot well that good - it is different; I figure that others may pick that up.

The track seat is not new, but this one is pretty cool: I hadn't seen that solution before.

I didn't see anything resembling a surfski on that boat - the Osprey foot well/cockpit is more advanced than any surfski cockpit that I have seen.

herman - you can enter the blade closer to the keel line = less yaw;
a narrower boat with a narrower entry should/could be faster.

demo will be possible in one or two weeks.


#26 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 8:05pm


I personally like all the bird-themed canoe names. Hopefully someday soon we'll see canoes called "the Emu", "the Cornish Gamehen", "the Turkey", or "the Dove".

poopoopaddler told me told me that he likes "the Cock".


#27 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 3:33pm


So where is fuze, our resident chine expert?


#28 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 5:59pm


Maybe wondering why he wasnt in the loop?


#29 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 6:16pm


Speaking for Fuze,

Spending some time with his ( non-cyber) family ...

He'll be here ... LOL.

Now back to the boat that is it 'trending' towards a surfski .. O.K. I know, futile to talk about all this based on one picture but what the heck.

Aloha,
pog


#30 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 6:33pm


When I talked to Karel about the boat he said it was designed for the smaller paddler 150-170 but said it was faster in the flats for someone a little bigger.
Owning a Zepher @ 170 lbs I look forward to giving it a try when I get out there.


#31 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 6:36pm


What is the new design to do better over the previous OC boats, i.e. Zephyr?


#32 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 7:23pm


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#33 Fri, 03/02/2012 - 10:02am


Interesting; when I started OC paddling I came from a moderate rowing background and often thought if they put incorporated an optional slider (as in slide or lock when appropriate) then you might be able to capture additional power. Currently leg "drive" is an isometric exercise (unless you're a Tahitian sprint animal). However I wouldn't want a slider while in big water I think it'd be too loosey goosey. While I believe chines have advantages on the bump, round is fast on the flats. If this is a smaller hull with less chine, maybe it could compete (design wise) with a hurricane. Perhaps I found a good boat for me wife.


#34 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 10:05pm


Well im hoping its just a smaller sized surfing canoe with a better flat water performance. Im betting its not near the surfing machine that its predecessors are though. Would be too good to be true.


#35 Tue, 02/17/2009 - 10:54pm


Sliding seat? Hey! I'm still waiting for a swivel rotating seat? The sliding seat is what we had a long time ago when there was only a thin foam pad to sit on, which we could move our okole forward or backward (anymuch ok) automatically on them. Even the bow look similar to the old Twogood outrigger morphed from his original old Mako ski. Gee, the more things change, the more things stay the same.


#36 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 10:00am


Yes the rotating seat is very popular with top K1 paddlers (I am not one of those), extra trunk rotation without wearing out the skin on your bum.


#37 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 10:19am


If I could afford a Cock I'd ride it. I'm the perfect size for the Cock. Man, I'm getting all excited now just thinking of paddling and riding it in rough conditions. Goto is right, the Cock is my favorite boat.

poops


#38 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 11:50am


Don't go rowing poopoopaddler, they have a cockless model!@#$


#39 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 12:56pm


now i could be mistaken, but i remember reading one of those kanu culture books, and in the back where it talks about rudderless paddling, it says that some rudderless canoes have chines for improved performance in the flats. i dont own the book so maybe im wrong, or maybe the book was wrong.


#40 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 12:59pm


I think I know just the company that should produce and market the cock...

I think the chine(s) on a V1 are more likely to help with tracking when in the flat water. Never made it outside of the harbor enough to see if it helped in surf. I was paddling a Timi Va'a V1 that had basically one long chine down the bottom of the boat that was very defined at the nose and tail while not as defined in the middle.


#41 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 1:05pm


an OC1 named the "Cock"...reminds me of the names of mountain bikes from Cove Bikes...http://www.covebike.com/bikes/index.html

Peeler
Stiffee
Hummer
Handjob
Foreplay
G-spot


#42 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 1:15pm


bike names are wayyy cooler.

I think nb is correct. The chines are there to make the boat track straighter.


#43 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 1:30pm


the chinese make the boat track straighter ? No wonder everybody is building canoes in china.


#44 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 2:36pm


The straight and narrow path of socialist realism.


#45 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 2:48pm


So I was looking online to find more info about the Osprey, and it turns out that the Marines have been using it for years, and OC has only just recently released it...

Still difficult to see if there are any chines!!!


#46 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 8:04pm


We help because we want too not because we have too.


#47 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 8:06pm


So I was looking online to find more info about the Osprey, and it turns out that the Marines have been using it for years, and OC has only just recently released it…
Still difficult to see if there are any chines!!!

It has two ama... must be for beginners ;-)


#48 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 8:37pm


That extra storage space would come in handy!


#49 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 8:59pm


Hiro - no sit on top, no rudder - time to order ?


#50 Wed, 02/18/2009 - 9:08pm


I can see 2 (two) rudders ! tough I doubt they are efficient as they are placed well above the waterline...


#51 Thu, 02/19/2009 - 8:41am


isnt that a ten year old ama?


#52 Sat, 02/21/2009 - 1:09am


I know you people are all wondering if the new osprey has chines and the answer is,,,, yes.. it does have those very special speed enhancers for those of us who don`t like to be left behind .

This new canoe has all the best features of the older Outrigger Connection models and some new ones appearing for the first time from Karels shop .

Keep in mind though that this new canoe in the Outrigger Connection lineup is a boat for smaller paddlers, up to 175 lbs.
This boat is smaller than Fuze with refinements that will make this boat an excellent choice for females and lighter guys......

Its well worth the long drive over to Kailua for a test ride,,,,,,

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#53 Sun, 02/22/2009 - 3:25am


Innovative?

http://www.merrimackcanoes.com/osprey.html

Hmmm! This company is from NH. Maybe Fuzerider is more of the shot-caller for OC than I thought. Stealing names from NH and sending them to Hawaii-not a bad move, but I would wory about the "Bachi"


#54 Tue, 02/24/2009 - 5:33pm


those guys must have stolen Fusion from Gillette too. Fuze from the drink. Mantra from some hippie dude. Shame on them. :)


#55 Tue, 02/24/2009 - 8:03pm


I like the name " IO" the Hawaiian hawk. The Hawk hunts in the daytime where all can see.

The Owl hunts at night and preys on small defenseless rodents, sneak attack style.......

Osprey isnt a bad name , being a predator bird , zipping over the waves snatching up what it likes to eat from the water.


#56 Wed, 02/25/2009 - 3:00am


If we're gonna split hairs, OC1 is really Open Canoe, Solo. Outrigger folks stole that one too....

The thing is, Stingray, Fusion, Fuze, Zephyr, and Osprey. Catchy names but no relationships.

Well, it's always easier being the critic...I'd hate to be the one responsible for creating those names..


#57 Wed, 02/25/2009 - 3:34am


I was in Wyoming once and watched an Osprey get OWNED by a Bald Eagle. The Eagle snatched the Osprey's fish right in front of the Osprey's mate. It was embarassing for the Osprey.

So whoever makes a Bald Eagle canoe is going to win. That's the truth.


#58 Wed, 02/25/2009 - 5:55am


Yellowstone Lake, e?


#59 Wed, 02/25/2009 - 6:39am


Snake river. Love that whole area though.


#60 Wed, 02/25/2009 - 6:41am


You'll have to come up for the Gorge this summer, then. Good fun downwind runs, a little racing, and Hood River Brewery just down the way. Get shitfaced w/ Jr. and Kialoa Dave Chun while Goto takes a nappy.


#61 Wed, 02/25/2009 - 6:58am


Hook me up with a canoe and I'll have to make it.


#62 Wed, 02/25/2009 - 8:00am


Shouldn't be a problem. We'll see what's available when the time comes. You may be forced to race Masters w/ Jim and the gang in Saturday's oc6 race, though.


#63 Wed, 02/25/2009 - 8:09am


Raced the Gorge this past summer, highly recommend it. The whole thing was a hoot.


#64 Wed, 02/25/2009 - 8:21am


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