Hawaii Supreme Court decided that the Super Ferry has to stop operation. They're doing one more run on Thursday so people can get their vehicles back home.
Submitted by Jibofo on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 6:25am
Hawaii Supreme Court decided that the Super Ferry has to stop operation. They're doing one more run on Thursday so people can get their vehicles back home.
Submitted by Jibofo on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 6:25am
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Perry and Price were just hammering on this subject this morning. Perry was ripping on the environmentalist.
Bottomline, if the Governor and legislators didn't break the law, then no way we in this mess. I have nothing against the Ferry. But, they deserve to get what they getting for trying to short circuit the laws. People were saying from the get go...for at least a year before the ferry came over...that they needed EI statement. No said the governor...no need. The courts tell the gov you wrong, need. So, the gov try change the law. Courts rule that the gov improperly tried to change the law so everything goes back to square one....they need a EI statement. Bummer....close down. So whose to blame?? Of course, the environmentalist.
I love the tree huggers. If they weren't around, can you image how f%&ked up this state would be right now?? It is already kinda bad, but imagine if they didn't help keep things in check.
Hope things can be worked out and the Ferry get back into operations. Lingle out in a year and a half.
JawsOut.
#1 Tue, 03/17/2009 - 12:32pm
The big down side to the whole thing is that the company that owns the superferry cannot lose. They worked a clause in that sais the state will pay them for anything they dont recoup. So, if the env. study takes too long and they leave altogether, the taxpayers are on the hook. Damned if we do, damned if we dont.
#2 Tue, 03/17/2009 - 1:55pm
and that does not include all the harbor improvements that the state made as well.
and the other kicker is that the dept of Defense helped pay for and build the Ferry!! How you like them apples. The guy behind the scene in this whole screwed up deal is Senator Inouye.
JawsOut.
#3 Tue, 03/17/2009 - 3:13pm
Not to mention the $800,000+ needed annually to maintain the offloading barge tied up at Kahului. Lets hope the Maui courts disallow the currently ongoing EIS that is due to be completed soon.
#4 Wed, 03/18/2009 - 6:06am
Just got to love back room politics. Maybe they can apply for some bailout money so everyone involved can get some nice bonuses.
#5 Wed, 03/18/2009 - 6:26am
This whole things sucks a$$, we are all getting screwed! Some of us with family on Maui and Kauai love being able to go back and forth for a low cost with our vehicles...less burden on our families to drive us around! However, what really pisses me off is the so call environmentalist who are making sure that the Superferry has to get an EIS (which is fine), but they are not making Young Brothers, who we all know transport more "invasive species" between the islands than anyone else. If you are going to apply the rule to one, then apply it to all!!! End the fricken monopolies that control inter-island commerce.
Enjoy the ride!
#6 Wed, 03/18/2009 - 8:39am
Superferry should have completed their EIS years ago... The CEO is a former Navy admiral; he should know better. Shame on Lingle for bypassing the established process.
That said, Young Brothers should be shaking in their boots now that all of this attention is now being paid to EIS and shipping.
Agree with you, drkanupaddler, that the rules should apply to all.
#7 Wed, 03/18/2009 - 9:04am
I agree that the rules should apply to all. Could you imagine all large vessels (Matson, Young Brothers, Pasha, Inter-Island cruise lines) be docked until the EI statements were completed? That would be interesting.
#8 Wed, 03/18/2009 - 9:43am
Got to agree with drkanupaddler on this one .
You people need to have reliable , affordable transportation between the islands .
Anything else is simply unexceptable ....
#9 Wed, 03/18/2009 - 12:57pm
how many times do you have to refer to our Hawaiian brothers and sisters as "you people"??....
cut the derogatory crap will you - if anything, we should be showing them more respect for the opportunity they give us to be able to share in canoe paddling and the accompanying Aloha and Ohana that results.
#10 Wed, 03/18/2009 - 3:13pm
To me " you people" is a term of endearment. I use the term you people all the time when talking to my own children .
#11 Thu, 03/19/2009 - 1:00am
fuzerider...fuzerider...fuzerider,
Do you hear what you are saying? Well listen to what I have to say, we are NOT your children! By you using the phrase "you people" it seems as though you are trying desperately to create a separation between you as the supposed father and us aboriginal Hawaiians as your supposed kids.
Come on...like I said to you before, you just don't get it. You are not better than anyone else and will never be better than anyone else. Your use of such blatant disrespectful language towards other people should have gotten you bounced from the wa'a a long time ago.
You are a simple 'aholehole, you will never be more than a pua.
#12 Thu, 03/19/2009 - 6:52pm
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#13 Thu, 03/19/2009 - 7:31pm
kanakakai he's not just disrespectful to Hawaiians, he spreads it around evenly as in the thread about escort boats, and I quote:
"And to you people who are worried about your carbon footprint, this should be viewed as a huge savings."
Obviously he isn't worried about much more then his own ego.
#14 Thu, 03/19/2009 - 3:42pm
You people got way off the topic. =)
My contribution: Bring back the super ferry! The Big Island was getting ready for service this summer and it looks like that's been washed. Bummer!
I agree with Fuzerider. WE people DO need to have reliable , affordable transportation between the islands . Anything else is simply unexceptable ….
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#15 Thu, 03/19/2009 - 5:59pm
Not to steal the tread here but just for one minute , I would like someone here to try to explain to me what it is that " I dont get"
I don`t get what ??
Can someone help me with this?
The superferry , or something very close to the same thing would seem to me to be almost vital to people living in the Hawaiian Islands .
If the mainland needs a highway system to be able to function properly then , a state made up of islands needs to be connected by something , to make it work more conveniently.
Bridges , tunnels are not an option , that leaves something like a superferry , seems like common sense to me.
Unchecked environmentalism can be a problem as can unchecked capitalism .
Too bad the super ferry didn
t win this one , Im certain it could be run and still be environmentally sound.#16 Fri, 03/20/2009 - 2:17am
The Superferry isn't dead by any stretch. The demand has been established; a lot of people are bummed that it went away. If superferry doesn't come back, I would bet that another carrier will come in and do it.
#17 Fri, 03/20/2009 - 5:54am
And the sooner the better! I grew up on Kauai and I would like to be the first one to drive off the Superferry onto the Garden Isle! ALL I WANT TO DO IS BE ABLE TO GO HOME WITH MY CANOE FOR A RESONABLE PRICE!!!
Enjoy the ride!
#18 Fri, 03/20/2009 - 8:56am
Fuze said:
"Unchecked environmentalism can be a problem as can unchecked capitalism .
Too bad the super ferry didnt win this one , Im certain it could be run and still be environmentally sound."
That is not the point! The point is, if they had followed the LAW in the first place, we would not be in this position. Instead they spent all their money lobbying Lingle to let them bypass the law. When that didn't work, they and Lingle pushed the Lege to change the law just for them. That is not right!
I have nothing against the Superferry per se, and I do believe that it can be environmentally sound. But that doesn't mean that we get to just trust them on that. They need to do an EIS to show us, which is what the law requires them to do.
Rachetjaws said it very well in the beginning of this post. Scroll back up and read what he said.
#19 Fri, 03/20/2009 - 10:15am
Rachel, I agree, but the real point is that if the EIS rule is to be applied to the Superferry, then it should be applied to ALL (including airlines, Young Brothers, etc.) who transport people and cargo between islands. You cannot single out one company to follow the rules and not others.
Enjoy the ride!
#20 Fri, 03/20/2009 - 10:34am
The environmental assessment requirement was triggered because public resources (i.e. State money) was being used for harbor improvements. Matson, YB, etc have had to do similar reviews in the past when they required similar harbor improvements funded with public resources to operate.
#21 Fri, 03/20/2009 - 11:07am
Good Job Rachel...you one akamai girl. You're absolutely right.
Also, being that YB and Matson was doing business in Hawaii decades ago, they more than likely would have been grandfathered in and would not have had the same restrictions.
JawsOut.
#22 Fri, 03/20/2009 - 2:29pm
I just tripped out the whole trip. Going from Maui to oahu in a few hours while kicking back in A/C and munching on grinds, watching the islands go by, cruising through not one but two channels, nutz. I remember thinking this was too good to be true. Just to be here.
There are pros and cons to both sides of this story.
#23 Fri, 03/20/2009 - 10:26pm