V1

Can anyone tell me who the major V1 producers are on the market? I only know of maoliwaa, are there any others out there? if you wanna go V1 should you look towards tahiti? or are tiger and hawaiian built V1's equivalent? sorry about all the questions.

Submitted by aepling2008 on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 4:34am



http://www.mauikanu.co.nz/w1.htm

isn't Kamanu coming out with one also???


#1 Fri, 04/03/2009 - 5:28am


I just curious, but do these canoes have scupper holes or venturis for drain the water out the sit inside cockpit when you huli? I know Walter's sit on top lagoon canoe had one removable curved fiberglass canopy placed above the pedals for keep the waves out, plus a drain plug in the footwell. I wonder if, someday, they might come out with one sit on top V-1 because I get claustrophobic?

Plus, I notice these canoes are super long (over 23 ft. long), so just wondering when they going make them under 20 or 21 ft? I guess they are longer because the tail is very narrow and also have a very long and extended rear chine in the hull for help track and steer the canoe?

Kamanu and other OC-1 manufacturers should offer the option of installing a recessed fin box in the oc-1, at the time it is made, so you can slip a small fixed fin or skeg in the hull anytime you want to paddle rudderless (expecially in the wind)? Yes, a removable fixed fin is all it takes to paddle an OC-1 almost like a V-1. (Note: most OC-1's have a chine in the bow and not in the tail) This way you don't have the problem of storing two canoes (one short and one long).


#2 Fri, 04/03/2009 - 9:40am


Aloha Koacanoe,

You bring up some very excellent points.
I rarely post, but let me be breif and try to answer a couple questions as best I can from what I know:

Maoli Wa'a distributes canoes from Maui Kanu.
I know Kamanu guys are coming out with a V1 in the medium future as well. You can get tons of Tahitian versions but you're on your own for shipping and Tiger has a model as well.

Cockpits:
It is possible do a sit on. There have been sit on V1's made. It never really caught on b/c: the amazing thing about the cockpit is that your center of gravity is very low and you are free to use hips, legs, lowerbody mass, etc... to steer, propel and power your va'a. The extra control and extra body movement risks you can take in a cockpit are the most fun part of V1.

Drains:
With a true cockpit, drains aren't possible because the cockpit is lower than the water level. You can put a drain in a modified cockpit (some designs in the works), but not a true V1 cockpit.

Length:
Both traditional knowledge and scientific testing has show 23- 24 feet to be nearly idea for hull speed, but yes, it's long for carrying, storage and surfing. There are 21 - 22 foot versions (not as fast) out by various producers. The length spreads out the resistance over a longer horizontal line making them faster (and track better).

Removable rudders:
Maui Kanu's have an option of a removable rudder an pedal system for those windy days you are talking about. In NZ nearly all the top guys use a Maui Kanu WITH rudder for distance and a Maui Kanu rudderless for sprints.

OC1's with no rudder do not replicate V1 paddling well. They are designed as down wind machines. If you go from a V1 to an OC1, say a Zephyr or something beefy, you can really feel the bulk, height and uncontrolability in wind and wave on the OC1 with out its rudder.

Claustrophobic:
Jump in a V1 and see if you really feel claustrophobic. I understand your concern, but I bet it's not as confining as you might think.
Good time to get involved in the V1 movement as HVF is getting organized.

Mahalo,
Kapono
www.maoliwaa.com
[maui kanu]
[tahiti rame]
Polynesian Outrigger Performance [tm]


#3 Fri, 04/03/2009 - 10:53am


claustrophobic ? I wish my cockpit was less open !
Seriously, no reason to feel this way, when you huli with a V1, you're ejected out of the cockpit.
Tiger Canoe V1 (Teva Nui) has a hull that is designed by Philippe Bernadino, he is the coach of the tahitian team for the world champs. Manutea Owen was paddling Timi's but now he paddles Philippe's canoes.


#4 Fri, 04/03/2009 - 3:24pm


Mahalo Kapono,
I really appreciate your detail replies to my post, for you answered a lot of questions that I have about V-1's. And I love your "bulk" feel description of going from v-1 to oc-1. I've been paddling an oc-1 w/o rudder these past two weeks in this mighty wonderful wind we've been having on Oahu, so I know first hand how difficult it is to paddle rudderless in strong wind. And that is the topic I'd like to introduce, ie: since most oc-1's have more volume and are chineless in the tail section, they tend to weathervane more (wind pushes the tail, so bow turns in direction of the wind) when rudderless and steering only with the paddle. My solution to this would be to install a fixed (non-movable) paddleboard or surfboard fin/skeg under the hull, somewhere, to counteract the wind forces when paddling rudderless. This way, I'm sure it will help tremendously in paddling a rudderless oc-1 as straight as an arrow in windy weather? Maybe not as well as the longer and narrower v-1, but good enough, so that I'm not fighting it all the time. Please don't get me wrong about v-1's, for I look forward to owning one some day, however my budget and availability of space kind of limit me somewhat. Thank you again for educating us about the v-1 and rudderless paddling.


#5 Fri, 04/03/2009 - 3:29pm


i talked to an accomplished rudderless paddler once and i asked him about using an oc1 for rudderless paddling and he told me that the canoe that i was using, a fuze wouldnt be useable. because the hull of the canoe went too low into the water forward of the cockpit. it didnt stop me from using it without a rudder. but he said the only real representation would be in like a hurricane, where the hull was almost completely flat and he said even those were really squirrely.


#6 Fri, 04/03/2009 - 8:37pm


I belive the Fuze is for a light weight person? So a heavy person would sink the hull deeper than it was designed for. So, of course it would be more difficult to steer than a hull that remains closer to the surface. I don't belive the Hurricane's hull is flat? Straighter, with minimum rocker maybe? I can understand the "squirrely" performance if the hull was raked higher in back. But again, the "squirrely" performance can be remedied with a fixed fin/skeg somewhere forward of the empty rudder tube.

To know what I mean: try paddling a stock (12 ft.) paddleboard without the fixed fin or skeg, and you'll find it very "squirrely." Slap the fin/skeg back on, and it tracks straight where you want it to go.


#7 Sat, 04/04/2009 - 12:36am


I'm a french boy living in Brazil, I 'm thinking travel to Tahiti next october, so where on the island can I found Tahiti Rame paddle? Can I have to order 1 paddle before my trip or there have a lot in stock on the island?
Where can I paddling with a V1 (and V6), clubs, constructors???
Hiro, est ce que je peux te visiter pour ramer dans ton ile et planter une tente sur un terrain (vu les prix des hotels, le camping sera mon option)...?

Thanks for all infos


#8 Sat, 04/04/2009 - 1:07pm


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#9 Sun, 04/05/2009 - 7:03pm


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