I want to buy a new OC1, I'm a light paddler (62 kg) and I paddle actually with an heavy "brazilian huricanne".(i live one part of the year in brazil and other part in france).I m not interesting in buy the ultimate canoe on the market...
I'm limited with the Hurricane in rought ocean and chopp water so I think change for an other Kanu.
I think Fuze or Peggy are good for my weight. I want to race in molo solo 2011 so I have to paddle the same boat to train and to race.How boat is more easy to find or rent in Oahu?(peg or fuze)?
The fuze looks like comfortable (good point for 6 and more houre of race) but I like the line of the Pegasus.
What are you thinking guys (and girls) , fuze or Pegasus?
Submitted by Rems on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 12:34pm
I'm 143 lbs (65 kg) and the Pegasus works great for me. Picks up the smallest bumps and handles monster downwind runs. Here on Maui the Pegasus is the choice for lighter paddlers.
#1 Wed, 04/29/2009 - 1:40pm
3 of my buddys have done some runs. 3 different canoes. Fuze Hurri and Peggy, After a long run and changing the lead a few times, at the end it was still only seconds difference. All canoes are great in flat and rough. But which is best. Peggy has an ajustable seat. so does hurri but maybe a little uncomfortable.I tend to look at those pros and cons rather weight or good in surf. i really dont think it matters.
#2 Wed, 04/29/2009 - 2:40pm
I've paddled all three and I'm a little heavier than you (not by much).
I'd say all are fine for the conditions you're talking about to be honest.
Why do you think the Hurri limits you in chop and big water? A lot of people paddle a lot of big rough stuff in the Hurricane...
Hurricane KILLS my lower back (right at the base of my spine) as well as my ass. I am comfortable for about 2.5hrs and then it starts getting bad. I found Hurricane probably a little faster in flats and upwind than the other two.
Fuse was super comfy but I didn't like it at all upwind. Felt like it "wallowed" a lot. I also found it didn't accelerate as quickly as the other two. Feels good on big stuff especially.
Pegasus is comfy and feels like it accelerates into bumps real real fast. Doesn't seem to handle ama up conditions with wind as well as the other two (doesn't track so good in that slop). The ama slaps around a lot but the boat feels the most "in control" of the three to me.
If there is any way you can paddle 'em all that would be great - 'cause it's not like there is an objective "wrong" choice - just one that is best for you.
#3 Wed, 04/29/2009 - 4:13pm
Agree with malachi
Paddle them all if you can, Between the Fuze and the Peggy, I like the Fuze, downwind it tends to stay up in the wave better, but what are YOUR conditions. buy the boat for that, Then get good in it and then ROCKET the MOLO in what you are comfortable in, They all surf well!
#4 Wed, 04/29/2009 - 4:26pm
Well i paddle a fuze. im about 130 and skinny as hell. i think my shoulder width maybe skinnier than the canoe itself. anyway though. i really like it. it stays high on waves, feels really good on downwind stuff. most of the time i have no trouble getting on to things, a few good long strokes off a missed bump, and you're pretty much back on it. the ama feels great when you rig light, easy to fly. chines help the boat track straight down the big stuff. i love it.
however, once the conditions get flat and hot or upwind, youre gonna sometimes wish all that comfort in that big ass seat coulda been slimmed down. it can get real heavy, no lie.
personally, ive been checking out some stuff on the osprey from outrigger connection. ive demoed it a few times and what not, and i think its really good upwind and flats. it definitely likes to stay high on stuff and the ama is just amazing.
but sorry, off the point. but if anything, i would definitely demo first. when i first got the fuze, i didnt bother checking out any other canoes. definitely a mistake, but i dont really regret it. From what i've heard, the peggy is an amazing boat as well, definitely worth looking into.
well, good luck!
#5 Wed, 04/29/2009 - 6:10pm
Don't mean to sidetrack the thread, but what is the 'ideal' paddler weight for the Pegasus? I'm 85kg (187lbs). Am I too heavy for it? Can anyone advise what weight paddler it was designed for?
Cheers.
#6 Wed, 04/29/2009 - 6:58pm
I think the Pegasus is ideal for people 100 lbs up to about 170-180 although I spoke to someone in SoCCal who is 200+ lbs and enjoys the Pegasus. I think your weight is ideal for a midsize like a Pueo but the best thing to do is try a few canoes and find what feels best for you. If you are usually in flat conditions, the Huuricane is even good for that weight, in surf the Pegasus will be fun. Try a few canoes and buy what feels best to you and fits your budget. Jibofo has a video that you can find somewhere here on OCPAddler of the Pegasus in the surf at Maliko on MAui- awesome video showing what paddling is all about! HAve fun!
#7 Wed, 04/29/2009 - 7:24pm
The fuze is mean in pure surf conditions and probly a bit more comfortable especially compared to a china peg seat but the peg is a way better all conditions canoe. Depending on your skill level the fuze will help you surf easier but if you spend the time or already have some good surf skills youll be faster on a Pegasus.
#8 Wed, 04/29/2009 - 8:33pm
Then I'd go with the proven winner of the women's division of the Molokai Solo race. It should fit you perfectly and no additional tweaking would be necessary.
#9 Thu, 04/30/2009 - 12:16am
Fuze is a highly refined canoe, it has features found on much newer designs.
Canoe refinement is the name of the game at Outrigger Connection.
Sure there are other good canoes but no one and I mean no one , over the years, has come out with more good ideas for canoes than Karel.
Fuze is a dynamite canoe .
#10 Thu, 04/30/2009 - 3:46am
I say the huricanne limit me in chopp, mushy waters because of comfort ( I want a canoe where you seat IN , where your but is lower ) and I think a canoe with little more rocker is funiest to paddle in open sea...I want a canoe with a good skill response too...Dificult to make a choice, I come back to europe in may and can try the Fuze there.(its also hard to find a pegy for demo in europe).
Maybe the osprey can be a goob canoe too so my decision is to wait more time before buy a new one. I prefer demo first.
Thanks a lot for yours opinions and posts!
#11 Thu, 04/30/2009 - 6:46am
atta boy fuzie
#12 Thu, 04/30/2009 - 11:34am
pegasus has won the molo relay, molo solo and kauai relay. dont know how the fuze did.
#13 Fri, 05/01/2009 - 8:33am
Yeah - did it all by itself too!
way to go Pegasus!!
#14 Sat, 05/02/2009 - 4:12am
There are some other threads you should check out here. The comparisons have been made before by many people. I currently own a 5 yr old Kaimana which is not going anywhere unless I can get a Pueo up here (Toronto that is...). It has been and still is a solid ride in the flats and the bumps. It does everything I need. The rest is up to me.
I used to own a Fuze and in the Northeast where I live it was not a great ride for me at 195lbs. It was extra work in small to medium stuff. So I sold my Fuze and got on a Pegasus last year and its a very well built boat and works well for me even at 195lbs. Been quite happy with it overall. Try as many boats as you can...don't get hyped on which boat won Molo etc. Karel, Kai and Danny are just fast period.
#15 Sun, 05/03/2009 - 2:12pm
Does anyone know why Kai switched from the Pagasus to the Scorpius?
#16 Sun, 05/03/2009 - 3:27pm
to progress his design, and go faster. one thing ive noticed about most boat builders is that even if they just made a new mold of a completely new boat, theyre already thinking about how they can make their next boat better whether it be seating placement, or just for easier production of the canoe.
#17 Sun, 05/03/2009 - 4:19pm
I think for his weight and power he wanted a canoe for big surf so the Scorpius (with more volume) was built. He has done runs like Oahu to Kauai in addition to Molokai and other long open ocean large surf runs. He didn't specifically design it for flat water but seems to be very happy that the Scorpius works well in all conditions for him. I hear he was leading the Maui-Molokai in the Pegasus while it was his turn in the mixed relay with a 15-16 year old girl finishing ahead of the first mens team so it looks like he enjoys jumping on the Pegasus now and then. I think he believes that people of different sizes and paddling styles will find certain canoes may work better for the individual so different size canoes are needed but nothing takes the place of training and technique and adapting the stroke to how a particular canoe runs and is rigged (which is critical just like a OC6).
#18 Sun, 05/03/2009 - 7:16pm
Look at all the results. Scopius....... well and peggy
#19 Sun, 05/03/2009 - 7:47pm
Hasto said, "Don’t mean to sidetrack the thread, but what is the ‘ideal’ paddler weight for the Pegasus? I’m 85kg (187lbs). Am I too heavy for it? Can anyone advise what weight paddler it was designed for?
Cheers."
Hasto during my recent visit to Kauai I talked to Tom Bartlett about the Pegasus and he said it was suitable for paddlers up to 85kg. So you are still within its designed range unless you go out tonight and eat too much Pizza. I guess you are in the fortunate position where you can paddle a Pegasus or a Scorpius without compromising performance.
#20 Mon, 05/04/2009 - 12:47am