Can anything be done to fair up the lanes in Hilo for states?
Submitted by rubberknife on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 5:22pm
Can anything be done to fair up the lanes in Hilo for states?
Submitted by rubberknife on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 5:22pm
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Luck of the draw keeps it fair....as fair as it gets.
Thats life....
KimoHanalei
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea.
#1 Thu, 06/18/2009 - 5:58pm
Other than the 1/4 mile, the lanes are pretty even. Lane one wouldn't be my first choice
#2 Thu, 06/18/2009 - 10:19pm
Places to stay for the state regatta.....any recommendations?? Cannot afford hotels, get any gyms, churches, parks where can put up a bunch of paddlers??
#3 Fri, 06/19/2009 - 8:20am
Don't know about that "lane one wouldn't be my first choice". The last time we went to hilo we had a very mediocre girls 13 crew in the race, in lane 2. The river by Sui San was emptying out and the quarter mile start was by the river mouth. I was at the bow of the boat with my swim fins on, holding the nose and kicking as hard as I could to keep the nose from going over the start line. The race started, I moved on the side and almost got completely run over by the canoe because it had jumped out so fast. Needless to say this very average crew got second in that race....the winner?? In lane one. From first hand experience, the hilo lanes are not even.
Other than holding a regatta in a reservoir, when dealing with tides and currents, no place in Hawaii has totally even lanes.
JawsOut.
#4 Fri, 06/19/2009 - 8:26am
Last year, during regatta, the top 3 finishers in most races were in lanes 1-3. Of course, the top crews get their pick of the lanes, so it didn't matter much.
#5 Fri, 06/19/2009 - 8:39am
Ratchetjaws.... If you got camping gear, look to camp at Bayfront. Myself and others are looking to do that to allow us to save $$.
As for the lanes.... qualify high in your association so that way you do not end up on the outside lane. On the half mile course, the outside lanes work well if the Sui Sane river is not dumping out.
#6 Fri, 06/19/2009 - 5:08pm
if youre in the junk lane and you still win, dosent that prove that you truly are the best crew, i always thought that meeting a challenge others might not have and overcoming it, was what canoe paddling was about.
#7 Thu, 06/25/2009 - 11:38pm
lane one and two in a 1/4 mile race CAN make a big difference. but i have paddled in hilo bay over a million times. lane one can run, but so can lane 6. so can late 9. lane 8 can run this way, lane 2 can run that way. when your racing 1/2 mile or more in hilo, i think the lanes are pretty fair. having paddled on teh big island for over 10 years, my crew often had frist choice for lanes, sometimes we picked lane 3, sometimes 5 or 6. sometimes one, but lane won was not always the first choice. the way i look at it the best crews at hilo will win. even if in lane 10
#8 Fri, 06/26/2009 - 10:52am
Anykine...do you have to check with the Big Island county guys about permits to camp or can you just go down and pitch a tent? Is it better to plead ignorance instead of trying to get permission?? If need permits, where can we contact the proper authority?
JawsOut.
#9 Fri, 06/26/2009 - 11:02am
I think the course is pretty even.... of course depending on the tide and weather conditions that could all change. best ting is just to be best in your county and get 1st draws, and get maybe chance.
#10 Fri, 06/26/2009 - 11:11am
The course is far from fair. Outside lanes have virtually no shot of winning, especially the shorter races. When the river is running at a high volume (like 1997), the problem is exacerbated.
#11 Fri, 06/26/2009 - 1:54pm
the lanes run or they don't, the river pushes the canoe foward or backwards....I think none of this matters that much
If a crew is really strong and fast, then they can pull through and get the win
#12 Sat, 06/27/2009 - 1:53pm
Wasn't the world sprint at Hilo Bay?
if can can if no can…. tough shit
#13 Sat, 06/27/2009 - 3:56pm
RJ- I really don?t know, but my wallet tells me to go and pitch a tent. Last year, I noticed that several people picth a tent down at Ke?ehi Lagoon the night before the States. Does anyone have knowledge to this?
#14 Tue, 06/30/2009 - 7:23am
I was under the impression that dealing with the conditions was all part of the ordeal? If everyone showed up for race day and for whatever reason the 3 outside were amazingly faster than the rest, would anything be done to compensate? If you want all the water to be the same there is a lovely canal somewhere in Sacramento that is just great this time of year.
Stop whining and start training
#15 Tue, 06/30/2009 - 10:54am
jpi-
I could be wrong, but don?t you paddle on the Big Island? What has been your crew lane in Hilo and what were the results?
#16 Tue, 06/30/2009 - 1:13pm
Yes the inside lanes in Hilo have been more succesful this year as far as ive noticed. When our club started the season we were as far outside as you could get. The guys have worked extremely hard to earn spots on the inside lanes in recent regattas but have to work even harder still to try and do well in the lottery for states. I believe that any crew who has really done their homework and has mental toughness can win in any lane under normal Hilo conditions. Im not sweating lane choices, im sweating how hard im gonna have to work at practice today in order to even get to states.
#17 Tue, 06/30/2009 - 1:47pm
I think the notion of the lanes closer to shore running faster are on the minds of the officials. At the Keaukaha Regatta, lane 1 was placed further out than I've seen it before. Another consideration you could consider is how the tides will be affecting the run of the river at the turn. This may have an affect on the middle lanes, but I can't say for sure because it doesn't seem to have been an issue during our Hilo races. I agree with jpi92109, don't sweat it. Hilo is a great venue for the States race. I'm looking forward to it!
#18 Wed, 07/01/2009 - 9:10am
Hi there all:
I ran a quick and dirty regression analysis on the results from the Hilo regattas this year and lanes hardly appear to influence results at all. In other words, a crew in an outside lane did as well as expected (based on their final Standings position) as they did in inside lanes.
Furthermore, we had record times in both lanes 7 and 9 this year.
Jonathan
#19 Thu, 07/23/2009 - 1:22pm
Is it true that all the lanes will be moved closer to shore for the States? This would make lane 3 where lane 1 normallly is, and make the insides actually slower due to the shallow water.
#20 Thu, 07/23/2009 - 2:18pm
Just to say it and know its not gonna happen, but it would be fun to try for one regatta.
Turn the course 90 degrees so out and back.
aloha,
pog
#21 Thu, 07/23/2009 - 3:21pm
Has anybody seen the lanes for Hilo? They were drawn yesterday, and by HCRA rules they should be posted online within 24 hours.
#22 Sun, 07/26/2009 - 3:35pm
2009 HCRA States Lane Draw can be found at:
http://www.hcrapaddler.com/homeinfo/2009StatesLD.pdf
Jonathan
P.S. Events down the side, lanes across the top and club boat numbers in the body.
#23 Mon, 07/27/2009 - 12:24am
You might need this link as well to decipher the matrix code...
http://www.hcrapaddler.com/homeinfo/2009StatesClub.pdf
#24 Sun, 07/26/2009 - 11:53pm
checking out the Big Island Championships on the HCRA website. Inside lanes almost every race.
#25 Mon, 07/27/2009 - 12:56am
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#26 Mon, 07/27/2009 - 3:56am
fakarava:
Please bear in mind the way lanes are selected in Moku O Hawai'i. Clubs' lane selection is based on their performance at the previous regatta. Historically inside lanes have been preferred and thus the faster crews tend to select inside lanes. Hence it looks at first glance that the inside lanes are faster.
The real test is to look at crews who have outside lanes because of a DQ the previous week and see how they do compared to their overall position at the end of the season.
For example, Kai Ehitu X12 (Mixed 12) crew had been DQed the previous week and lined up in Lane 10. They finished 5th - exactly the same as their overall position for the entire season.
Similarly, Kai Ehitu FNB (Female Novice B) had a poor showing the previous regatta and ended up in Lane 9 for the Championship from where they finished 4th - matching their overall standing at the end of the season.
Keoua's XNB (Mixed Novice B) had trouble fielding a crew consistently through the season and as such ended up in Lane 11, from which they won the Championship event.
These and other examples lead me to believe that the course has been very even this season.
For States there is seeded lane assignment and you will no doubt see higher seeded crews in the inside lanes.
Jonathan
#27 Mon, 07/27/2009 - 7:01am
During the Worlds in 2004, the first lane was the top lane and the faster teams were always put there. I think there was some concerns of outer lanes because of wind and some current from the nearby river.
Worlds 2004
Here is a cool pic I took of the open men's 1500 race. After 1000 meters and 2 turns, they are almost a dead heat, although the winning team in lane 1 is starting to take off.
As an aside, if you want to lanes that challenge fairness, check out the PNWORCA Sprint Champs which has to also deal with tides and currents.
Good luck.
-scotty
#28 Mon, 07/27/2009 - 8:07am
The Keahou Senior Mens crew won by boat lengths in an outside lanes in Moku's.
#29 Mon, 07/27/2009 - 2:52pm