Is there a diff between the 6man stroke and the 1man stroke? (catch, pull, twist and recovery)
Submitted by waterfun on Thu, 07/30/2009 - 6:32am
Is there a diff between the 6man stroke and the 1man stroke? (catch, pull, twist and recovery)
Submitted by waterfun on Thu, 07/30/2009 - 6:32am
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Yes, if you paddled 6-man 16+ years ago, you would of gotten scolded for using a "one-man stroke" by a steersman who didn't paddle either one-man or surfski.
#1 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 2:34pm
Yep, one is done by 6 guys synchronized together, the other by 1 only.
#2 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 2:38pm
In baseball, the throwing motion a pitcher makes is not the same motion as what an outfielder does when making a long throw. Think of pitcher as OC1, confined on the hill, throwing from a standstill, having to generate his own momentum, with great control. Think of outfielder as OC6, able to throw on the run, often with forward momentum, and using a longer arm to throw greater distances.
When stroking an OC6, having feet straight out in front (for yucks) gives closest approximation to OC1 posture. Other than that, given what you can do with legs and hips and torso rotation while in the OC6, the OC6 stroke is much more a whole-body movement (outfielder throw). In OC1, while I agree that it is also a whole-body stroke, you're not able to develop torque to the same magnitude (pitching motion).
Given the different body postures and what you can achieve with each, the strokes are different. I consider OC1 as a different sport than OC6, even though it's all still paddling.
Novice on a limb..., but it's what I've observed so far. Very interested in thoughts of more experienced paddlers.
#3 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 4:44pm
I agree, secret weapon. Astute observations, IMO. Nice analogy, too. I never thought of it that way.
#4 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 5:21pm
Maybe, but the big difference when paddling 6-man with all one-man paddlers is nobody stops paddling to reach out and push the ama down. Everyone keeps paddling and instinctly shifts their okole for right the canoe. But the biggest benefit is everyone also automatically knows when to pick up the effort for catch the bumps.
#5 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 8:50pm
There's a lot more to it than that. Like secret weapon said, oc6 paddling is more of a total body movement, w/ momentum playing a much larger role, along w/ rhythm, timing and "feel". I just paddled six man for the first time in several weeks, and I could really feel it the next day. It's way more physical.
#6 Sat, 08/01/2009 - 2:43am
I don't know, when I paddle OC1 for a long time and then get in an OC6 it feels harder, but if I paddle OC6 for a long time and then get in an OC1 it also feels harder.
#7 Sat, 08/01/2009 - 6:58am
I agree. When you switch to oc6, you have to get used to the exrtra weight, using your legs more etc. and when you switch back to oc1 you have to get used to the more restricted body position li' dat. CHOKE FAKKEN KOOKS.
#8 Sat, 08/01/2009 - 7:05am
Right Jim,
Think of all the extra weight (hull and 6 paddlers) you're hauling compared to a one-man. Then there's the leg position (one forward and one back) that can only be duplicated on the old lagoon style one-mans that Lokahi uses up by the Kapahulu Library.
#9 Sat, 08/01/2009 - 7:17am
I think only us fossils switch the feet when paddling six man nowdays, koa! The guys who started out oc1 only no switch the feet like us old people.
#10 Sat, 08/01/2009 - 7:19am
Thats interesting that you say that Jim,
How many people dont change feet when paddling 6 man?
Everyone I know does, could we have a quick show of hands please.
#11 Sat, 08/01/2009 - 10:37pm
I notice in one man it's my hamstring muscle and lower back, and 6 ma it is more quads and lats. We always tease each other when we start regatta about all the bad habits we fell into during 1-man. koacanoe got it though on the ama before I started 1-man I had huli-itus. now, no more.
P.S. I switch my feet.
#12 Sat, 08/01/2009 - 11:06pm
Quite a lot of steerers and seat ones don't switch feet.
R
#13 Sun, 08/02/2009 - 12:42am
When you young, your okole no take up so much space, so you wear baseball sliding underwear for rub against gunnels when paddling 6-man. But when old, the okole bigger, so no need such stuff. If using quads, then you pushing with the balls of feet. If hams, then you pushing off with heels. But us "fossils," learn to paddle with big blades that had closet pole shafts. So you reach out and sit back style paddle, which is the real 6-man stroke. Sorry, no more t-tops and bent shafts those days.
#14 Sun, 08/02/2009 - 6:43am
switch feet.
#15 Sun, 08/02/2009 - 7:04am
Sometimes switch feet.
I started w/OC1. Still like OC1 and OC2 better than OC6, because easier to sync at any stroke rate AND I get a much better place to put the feet. my technique is still a baby, but I still work on torso rotation, etc w/all boats.
I have a higher cadence and shorter stroke in an OC1, that would probably wear out the crew if I paddled seat one. Not sure if each paddler pushing 1/6 of an OC6 can propel it better w/higher or lower cadence. Does anybody know for SURE? What makes an OC6 sprint, a higher cadence, longer stroke or ?
#16 Sun, 08/02/2009 - 7:02pm
we look at Shell Va'a doing 75-80 stroke a min. and they are flyin' I noticed that they also change sides about every 9 to 12 strokes. We tried that in training this year, it takes choke cardio to do that for a long period of time but the boat responds good to it. I counted T- Bear guys doing about 78 strokes a min. at Moku's in a mile and mile and a half. I think it's more about a snappy return and keeping the canoe out of the water, maintaining hull speed and not overpowering the canoe. 60 to 65 strokes a min. with a little longer stroke works well too. I like the upbeat cadence more it seems easier to move the canoe once the boat is running, but technique, blend and timing should be tight. Try different things. I learn something new everytime I get in the water.
#17 Mon, 08/03/2009 - 8:11am