Hi there,
our canoeclub is willing to buy an mirage in the next months. And i think it will be the first mirage that cross the ocean to europe. And so, there is one question what i have at the moment. How to rigg the iakos to the hull we dont want to use quick straps or other things, we want to rigg the canoe the traditional way, most times :-) Are there any videos out there or can somebody film it on tape and send it to me :-). Or is the rigging not so important? this day we do it so, the next day we did it on an different way?
thanxs in advance and a happy new year to everyone :-)
Submitted by seaside on Tue, 12/30/2003 - 3:12am
Rigging will be one of the top priorities for any canoe. Expecially for ocean crossings, where flat - extreme conditions can occur. Rigging lines should be the first application, and try to use a non- stretch line when wet that has a good core( preferably kevlar) , with a 12 weave strand. Then apply some rubber bands ( cut inner tubes from Bicycle tires) stretched adn weaved tight over the rigging lines for security and re-inforcement. And always do practice runs with the canoe in calm waters before entering rough conditions to make surf the rigging is proper and secure. Also, ask Karel who makes the mirage if there is an instructional video for viewing.. hope this helps
#1 Tue, 12/30/2003 - 7:14am
seaside
bit late on this thread but there is a 35 minute DVD on rigging basics available (sometimes) here in Australia produced by Chris Maynard and Erica Hamp. for a copy, try emailing Erica at erica.hamp@optusnet.com.au or try her company, Hampworx Multimedia on +614 0767 6332
cheers!
#2 Mon, 05/08/2006 - 6:37pm
Why don't you want to use quick straps? It is a billion times easier and much much stronger when used properly. I think its great that you are trying to keep tradition alive, but remember you are paddling a fiberglass boat.
#3 Tue, 05/09/2006 - 11:16am
G'day, all!
I've been in touch with Erica and she still has a few copies of the rigging basics DVD. Be fast!
She's also a proponent of rope rigging and doesn't like straps but I think they're fantastic, especially if lots of crews share a canoe. Makes changing blocks and wedges for different crew weights a breeze. No excuse to go out without a level canoe.
The ones available here in Oz have marine-grade stainless ratchets and polyester webbing (they don't lose tension if left rigged tight over time like other synthetics).
Then again, the Tahitians seem to like rubber which works just fine and is free.
#4 Thu, 05/11/2006 - 2:20am
Yeah, if you get layers and layers of rubber on there it'll probably be strong than anything else. Just make sure you use several seperate pieces so if one does break you still have a few holding. Can't beat the coat!
#5 Thu, 05/11/2006 - 9:43am
IMHO-
Learn to rig traditionally first. It is an Art.
I've noticed that all clubs have their own way of wrapping and overlaps- it ads to the character of the canoe. Also you put your crew's mana, sweat, skin and sometimes blood into the rig by puling the ropes together and cinching the rigging tight.
Every oc-6 canoe that I crossed the Kaiwi channel on was rigged with natural cotton fiber ropes which are pre-stretched- none have come apart. Salt water on the rigging actually tightens it up a bit. We've used quick straps on coastal races, however, 2-3 paddlers pulling a rig tight seems stiffer and more solid than 2-3 quick straps (per wai). Rubber straps are ok too- faster and easier than other rigs, but also heavier and less solid in rougher water. We've used rubber to secure the rope rigging to make sure the knots do not slip; duct tape works too. Good luck!
#6 Sun, 05/14/2006 - 11:57am
click here to download a quicktime movie on how to rig a canoe
Or you can go to www.outriggercanoe.blogspot.com
#7 Mon, 05/15/2006 - 8:33pm
Rigging with rope will always be stronger as you go through the holes in the hull which also holds the hull sides to the spreader ,if you use the straps the spreaders can tear away from the hull (its a secondary resin bond only remember) lats
#8 Fri, 05/19/2006 - 12:10am
I don't understand your comment, Latman. Why don't you go thru the lashing holes in the gunwales when you use quickstraps?
If someone would enlighten me how to post a picture on this thread, I'll show you a photo of quickstraps going through the lashing holes in a pattern reminiscent of Pa
u o Luukia. This locks the gunwales, `iako and wae all together, is simple to rig and holds well.#9 Fri, 05/19/2006 - 2:15am
... I've loaded a photo onto the Community Photo Gallery "quickstraps, Pau-o-Luukia style". If anyone's interested, I've got the entire sequence of step-by-step photos for rigging this way.
#10 Fri, 05/19/2006 - 1:04pm
Capnron,
That rigging technique looks very interesting, I've never seen it done that way. I wouldn't mind having a step by step visual of this process (either by email or on Community Gallery).
We use rubbers to rig our boats because it's cheap and works. But
occasionally we find ourselves with overly stressed rubbers that rip under the pressure. Knowing how to rig with quickstraps in Pau-o-Lukia style would have definitely saved the day of stress on many occasions.
Much Appreciated!
#11 Fri, 05/19/2006 - 1:23pm
here's another good method when using quick straps. Try and do one wrap of rigging like you would do with rope but with the quick strap. Its very simple and strong as all else.
#12 Fri, 05/19/2006 - 4:55pm
I'm slowly becoming e-literate. Here's the photo:
and the step-by-step process for rigging in this way https://kahunahoe.wordpress.com/2006/06/11/how-to-rig-with-ratchet-strap...
#13 Sun, 06/11/2006 - 9:31pm
One thing I would do differently with this technique is add a wrap all the way around the iako. This stops the iako from slidding back an forth on the wai. I believe on year they had to rerig the hokule'a because they neglected to add wraps in their rigging.
#14 Mon, 06/12/2006 - 12:42pm
you're probably right. I'll take a new series of photos and update the blog. Thanks!
#15 Mon, 06/12/2006 - 1:51pm
This has also made me think about wae separation.
Latman wrote:
"Rigging with rope will always be stronger as you go through the holes in the hull which also holds the hull sides to the spreader ,if you use the straps the spreaders can tear away from the hull (its a secondary resin bond only remember)"
I don't think the problem is with the straps (or with how you lash the canoe for that matter) but rather with how modern canoes are built. This diagram illustrates what I mean:
[img]http://static.flickr.com/37/166770658_dd8d05ece8.jpg[/img]
This is made worse by most modern canoes having the wae recessed below the gunwale rim (niao). Any thoughts on this? Canoe manufacturers?
#16 Tue, 06/13/2006 - 2:21pm
a few years ago my crew was run over by a power boat exiting the channel at molokai before the race. Bascially our canoe was chopped in half. One wai was completely broken off, iako and strap intact, and the other iako broke off at the canoe, wai and straps intact.
Straps are strong as hell and the boat will fail before they do. I have seen iakos crack off before wais seperate. But some iakos are very well made and in that case the wai will fail. Either case it will take an enormous amount of force ie 30 foot whaler going 15 mph to break either.
#17 Tue, 06/13/2006 - 2:43pm
I've finally updated the blog with the wrap around the `iako. Click on the link in the message above.
There have been reports here in Australia that the Kumuhele pattern, which is now standard in Oz, is causing damage to the wae of fibreglass canoes due to the force being concentrated on the centre of the wae. Has anyone else had this problem? The Pau-o-Lu`ukia pattern spreads the load across the wae at 3 points and should prevent this occuring.
#18 Fri, 06/23/2006 - 2:04am
I was asked to film rigging for an ama so here it is. I will try to put together one for the new ama's very soon.
One way to rig a ama
Movie is in quicktime may take a minute to download.
Or you can check it out on www.outriggercanoe.blogspot.com
#19 Fri, 06/23/2006 - 5:28pm
Hmm I don't think spreading the load on 3 points of the wai will help because all the load is still on the connection between hull and wai regardless of where the straps are on the wai. I'm wondering if your strapping method is holding TOO FIRM. Meaning that they offer no play so the only thing that can give is the Wai.
I use only one standard riggind wrap with the straps. That way hull and wai share the load. Never had problems with the wai.
#20 Sat, 06/24/2006 - 12:56pm