Shell Vaa

teraiuira1- peperu?

#2 Mon, 10/11/2010 - 4:35pm

LESSON OF VAA

       First man - faahoro
       second    - piti 
 3eme-4eme    -moteur
        5eme      -pae
        6eme      -peperu


   TO TAHITI Eiaha e haapao mai

#4 Mon, 10/11/2010 - 5:03pm

Teraiuira1- Thanks for that piece of knowledge, its always a pleasure to learn. Shell Vaa looked like the champions they are, simply perfect.

#6 Mon, 10/11/2010 - 7:32pm

@ teraiuira : Même si les peperu sont restés sur toutes la course sans chagements, les 8 autres rameurs ont tourné sur les sièges 1 à 5 : il ont donc ramé à 9 rameurs. Ce que font nos représentants à Hawaii est exceptionnel, ne diminuons pas leur réussite en exagérant leur mérite, cela devient ridicule et je suis sûr que ce n'est pas ce que tu souhaites.
Je ne veux pas te donner de leçons, mais quand on lit tes messages, tu donnes parfois l'impression que tu les prends pour des cons (les hawaiiens)... essaie d'être plus cool, tu verras qu'il y a plein de gens sympas et intéressants sur ce forum.

PS : 3=toru, 4=maha, "moteur" ce n'est pas du tahitien.

#8 Mon, 10/11/2010 - 8:54pm

Thankyou Hiro. We appreciate your participation in this forum. All Tahitian crews performed phenomenally. Many stories were created across the Kaiwi channel this year... some are more fun to tell than others.

As for steerers ironing... I agree that is not uncommon; I did it 2 weeks ago in the women's race. Granted, we took 2 hrs longer than Shell did. ;)

#10 Mon, 10/11/2010 - 9:55pm

Any speculation on the winning time if there had been a favorable tide? All other things equal. 4:30? 4:25? 4:20?
I thought the winner on Sunday would be around 4:50.

#12 Tue, 10/12/2010 - 11:19am

Shell's time in 2008 was 4:38:35. Their time this year was 4:38:50...15 seconds slower. It's not a new record right?

For some reason KHON2 claims Shell's 2010 time was 4:35.... I don't get it.

KHON2, 2010
http://www.khon2.com/content/news/developingstories/story/Shell-Vaa-tops...

Star Bulletin 2008
http://www.molokaicanoerace.com/2008race/2008molokaihoe_s.html

Star Advertiser 2010
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/104679539.html

#14 Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:14pm

Anyone care to translate?

#16 Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:45pm

google translation for hiro's post:

@ Teraiuira: Although peperu remained on all the race without drying, the other 8 rowers turned on seats 1-5: So there have rowed at 9 rowers. What are our representatives in Hawaii is unique, not lessen their success by exaggerating their merits, it becomes ridiculous and I'm sure this is not what you want.
I do not want to give you lessons, but when you read your messages, you give the impression that you sometimes take them for idiots (the Hawaiian) ... trying to be cool, you'll see there are plenty of nice and interesting people on this forum.

PS: toru 3 =, 4 = maha "engine" that's not Tahitian.

#18 Tue, 10/12/2010 - 4:00pm

E ko Primo ma, maikai loa ka oukou hana. He minamina ka eha o kahi poohiwi o Peter aka no ka oukou hana me 8 wale no poe kanaka hoe a puka ma ke kulana 5....ia 'oukou piha hoi ka haaheo nui. Ke Akua pu me oukou me ka mana nui loa e hana hou ai oukou i ka imi kaili lanakila ana ma Molokai Hoe.

#20 Tue, 10/12/2010 - 7:37pm

edhay,maita'i roa tau tatau'ana i ta reo matuahine o ta pae'aina 'o Hawai'i,aloha 'ino ho'i 'a'ore e ho'orono pinepine'ia teia 'oero makamae,e ho'omau 'oe i te tatau'ana ma o ta 'orero Hawai'i

#22 Tue, 10/12/2010 - 9:51pm

Kava- Mahalo nui ia kau olelo ana mai. He makamae no ka olelo makuahine. He minamina nae no kona olelo ole ia ana mai ma keia forum nei.

Ia Lanikai C.C m?, ia oukou hoi ka haaheo ma ka oukou heihei kekahi. O oukou no ka oi o na hui hoe waa no ko Hawaii paeaina holookoa. O oukou no ke KAHE KOKO OMAO!!

#24 Wed, 10/13/2010 - 7:56am

Translation:

Je seul me sens, tellement peut-être je devrais écrire dans ma propre langue: te Reo Maori (les Isles Cook)

¿Ahora, decir en español?

#26 Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:34am

Ia ora na Teraiuira,
Te ta'a tunei au i ta oe mau tatara ra'a, ti o to'a au tera matahiti i fifi ei o Pirae, e o Lanikai canoe club tei poti'a, aita i mo'e hia ia u nei.
Te tu to'a nei to'u mana'o ia oe ra no te ta'ato'a o ta oe i fa'a ta'a i honei, teie nei ra, te haere nei tatou ( to tatou nuna'a) na muri ia Shell i te tahi faito i te e noa'a fa'ahou, e ti'a hoaia i te nuna'a ta'ata uo uo e fa'atura ia tatou i teie nei, ta ratou ia e rave ra i teie nei( aita hoa e rave'a fa'a hou). Na tatou ra i tei nei e fa'a ite ia ratou e, ti roto i te haeha'a te fa'a tura e vai e.
Mauruuru maitai e to'u taeae iti e.
Mana

#28 Wed, 10/13/2010 - 6:55pm

Not exactly about paddling but something I'd like to share.
Aldo (singer-guitarist) is a wonderful person.

A HEA TATOU E TAUI E
* When are we going to realize,
* Quand realiserons-nous,
IA TOMO ATU I ROTO I TEI'E NEI AO
* that once on earth,
* q'une fois sur terre,
PATO'I ORURE TE MAU NUNA'A
* life in society becomes a struggle,
* la vie en société devient un acharnement continuel,
ARORA'A TITAURA'A I TE ORA
* indeed a struggle for survival.
* un acharnement de survie individuel.

AREA RA TO'U NEI TE FENUA MOTU
* But as to life in the islands, the one
* En ce qui concerne la vie dans les îles, celle
FENUA NO TE HAU I ROTO IA PATITIFA E
* in the Pacific, is a worriless one.
* dans le Pacifique, elle est sans soucis.
TE AOTEAROA, VAIHI, RAPA NUI NUNA'A MOTU E!!
* From New Zealand up to Hawai'i and down to Easter Islands, these are peoples from Oceania.
* De la Nouvelle-Zélande (Aotearoa) à Hawai'i (Vaihi) en passant par le Iles de Pâques (Rapa Nui) sommes des peuples océaniens.

#30 Wed, 10/13/2010 - 8:11pm

Kudos to the all the peoples of oceania....you have given us so much. Lets not get caught up in competition's aftermath. Aloha to the winners and aloha to all those that gave their best. All to be thankful for the opportunity to live in this time and to experience this great sport.

#32 Wed, 10/13/2010 - 8:33pm

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#34 Fri, 03/02/2012 - 10:07am

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#36 Fri, 03/02/2012 - 10:08am

Shell is amazingly fast. Didn't get to see the start of the race but heard from other people that by la'au pt, they were gone. Watched it on the livestream and found myself analyzing their stroke (shell and opt). Much respect to the tahitian's cause their on point in all aspects of the game. @ one point, the front of the nose was roostertailing for about a good 30 sec. Usually paddling the Hoe so it was intresting to see the tahitians in action. Now the question is where do we (as hawaiian paddlers) go from here so we can "MAYBE" cut some time off and get closer?....dunno...just throwing it out there. By the way, hats off to Primo and to all the hawaii crews. Great job!

#38 Thu, 10/14/2010 - 1:27pm

good points by MikeA...fast marathon runners all have elite 1mile/5K/10K/half times. Wasn't it last year that Taaroa Dubois won both the sprint and the Super Aito ? I think one of the Dolans said in some post somewhere that to be fast you have to train all the different systems. If you don't have the speed for the shorter distances, you won't have it for the long distances. Also, with Molokai it is basically a 4-5 hours of long interval sprints with pretty good recovery chunks in between.

The thing that was amazing about Shell is the ability to just crush it all the way without having any other crew nearby to push them...the discpline and the heart of the paddlers are amazing. One thing that I wonder about is that whether we can assemble the best paddlers in Hawaii to compete with Shell ? Not to say that Team Primo guys are slouches, I mean 5th overall with 8 guys speaks for itself on the quality of Team Primo paddlers. But maybe with larger pool of talent from all the islands to draw from, we can get a better representative of the best paddlers in Hawaii to compete. We know that Shell has arguably the best paddlers in Tahiti paddling for them (except for Manutea, who is a bad ass). Maybe we can do the same for Hawaii.

#40 Thu, 10/14/2010 - 2:59pm

When I was in French Polynesia a coupla times ago the Shell Va'a doco film was coming out in the cinemas, Whatever happened to it Hiro?
It apparently showed a warts and all view of their training and racing over a full year.

#44 Thu, 10/14/2010 - 7:12pm

the tahitians dominate the molokai hoe, no question about it. far ahead of everyone else and pretty much at another level. some say they're profesional paddlers that's why they're so good. whatever it is, so be it. if hawaii and the rest of the world wanna get at that level is gonna be hard. paddling is their national sport, they take it very seriously. was wondering why they don't enter the molokai oc-1 race, i would think they would do well in that also. another thing; where are the tahitian women in the na wahine o kekai race? would also think they'd do well.

#46 Thu, 10/14/2010 - 8:43pm

@ kevin : is that what you're looking for ?
http://www.tahitianoutrigger.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=32&produ...

#48 Thu, 10/14/2010 - 10:52pm

Ia ora na every body,
Shell va'a paddlers are not proffessional, for most of them they works for shell petroleom company, and the others for other job like Taaroa Dubois he works at the city hall of Punaauia, they just training hard, wake up at 4.00 am, from 5 to 6.00 am paddle with series, at the evening time paddle again with a specific program, running twice in the week up on the hill for the cardio, paddle on Sunday morning for hours depend of the program, on Sunday, run again for 15mn then after rest the hall day, eating ma'a tahiti taro, fish, fafaru and what else.
Its just that.
Mana

#50 Fri, 10/15/2010 - 6:30am

Lilo,
Venus Va'a from Tahiti sent a team this year for the women's race. They were in 5th place but unfortunately a few of the girls got sick. They ended up a respectable 8th open, 9th overall.
Unfortunately the women do not get the support in Tahiti that the men do, so you see fewer women coming over for the race.

#52 Fri, 10/15/2010 - 10:15am

I have the utmost respect for what Shell and all the other Tahitian teams have accomplished. But, if any member of Shell were to switch to OPT or any other team, do you think they would keep their job with the company? I highly doubt it. If thats not a professional - or paid - then I dont know what is. Regardless, they still accomplished what they accomplished. But for what the Hawaiian crews have done while holding their own jobs/careers/business in this economy is underrated, in my opinion. Paddling appears to be a way of life in Tahiti where in Hawaii just being in the ocean is a way of life for many - but not all - and paddling is just another avenue for them to be in the ocean. Id say Hawaii does pretty good considering their many other "hobbies".

#54 Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:07pm

Poidog, that would be good to see, but S.U.P will be in the olympics long before OC paddling.
So maybe just give all the money to Riggs.
(now thats a scary thought)
By the way do you know the group Poidog Pondering from the 80's?

#56 Sat, 10/16/2010 - 7:10pm

Shell Tahiti sponsors paddling because the owner loves paddling and wants his team to be the best,that's a personal commitment,and he needs to be lauded for that,those are not expenses that he can write off..Paddling has prestige in Tahiti.Same can be accomplished here,nothing to keep Hawaiian Electric,UPS,Maui Electric,Honolulu Advertiser,etc....from doing the same.How about getting Bill Gates to sponsor a team?(Only half joking!!)Paddling does not have the same prestige over here because too much emphasis on Mainland sports.You barely get a few seconds on the news,after all the mainland sport results.I wish we could have a half hour of Hawaiian language news at least a night,with more emphasis on local sports and cultural activities.

#58 Sun, 10/17/2010 - 9:06am

I agree with Kingi that the average paddler in Tahiti has a much higher skill level, whether due to extra water time or through paddling only rudderless. The other factor is that their great paddlers from the 60's and 70's are now involved in coaching and administration where a lot of younger paddling countries have their top paddlers trying to do all of these important jobs. So the paddlers just paddle and have great support from family and federation.

#60 Sun, 10/17/2010 - 12:17pm

I think part of the reason tahiti dominates is because they believe in their youth. Hawaii based crews is dominated by paddlers in their late 30's to early 40's not passing the torch to the youth. until that happens tahiti will always dominate. I know thats how most of the club's here in oahu operate and looks the same on the neighbor islands. Time to look deeper and stop making excuses.

#62 Sun, 10/17/2010 - 8:05pm

good point akeo, all of the top tahitian crews are composed of a young bunch. there is no doubt that hawaii can put together a group of young guns together to make a killer crew, and we should seriously think about it if we want to raise paddling to the next level. that is why a program like HVA is an ideal program, we just need more support for programs like these so that the young guns can go for it and compete at higher levels.

lets step up and do something about it

#64 Sun, 10/17/2010 - 11:20pm

As I said before, lower the age to 14, so the kids can gain the experience, and by their senior year, they ready for take on the world. Once they graduate from high school, we lost them to mainland schools and working 2 - 3 or more jobs in order to survive in high cost Hawaii.

#66 Mon, 10/18/2010 - 9:15am

I agree with youngbuck, we need to look torward our youth that's where it start!

Jc9 I bet there are a bunch of guys who would b willing to undergo such a program, its not jus how much you train but how smart you train; I believe we have the guys here in Hawaii who can pull it off, I could name 2 full crews with that ambition jus those guys all paddle different places but I know for a fact thay will do what it takes to win but they need the right guidance.

As for me being married with kids and full time job with full time school I still put in the time to b in there with first crew and we do damn good but I can still put in more time in a smarter way to get to Tahitis level don't believe we are at a disadvantage jus need to train smarter.

#68 Mon, 10/18/2010 - 10:57am

Jc9 I have to say tho its the first year on doing the HVA Program and and 6 committed is a very good sign that's a base crew already all teens, to me that's outstanding considering the turnout this year with those few exprienced Teen paddlers. That's growing, if HVA started 8 yrs back I would have been a teen committed and thus would have been til now and which I do support HVA and will help with the youth if needed yet trying to get faster myself. Paddling as a Teen it seemd like no one focused on the youth and clubs resorted to the same people so it was hard to get noticed and even get a shot to paddle with the top guys. Now we need to change and open up more.

I believe its the club thing that holds Hawaii back from being near Tahiti, clubs are good but not every person has the same goal. Every 9 must want to win not jus do good and end up top 5 or top 10. I think in a few years HVA can put a solid teen crew together and jus rapidly grow from there. The guys r out there they jus need to come together.

#70 Mon, 10/18/2010 - 11:54am