Hypr vs. Non- Hypr

someone mentioned it already, but it needs to be reiterated, it shows EXTREMELY poor form to name your customers and partners in a public forum (who's josh banfield btw? a mashup of paddling personalities?), as well as a recounting of people's personal lives (your rep's divorce, you former coach's afterparty drinking, etc.)...you are a serial offender in this category... if people don't like your product, improve your product, and make up for any failings but for the love of all the pagan gods please stop making excuses (old factory, new factory, mainland rep, shift supervisor, partner, partner's wife, partner's dog, factory's mascot, defective paddler, stupid paddler, crooked paddler, lying paddler, bad layup, bad foam, bad boy.....................................................................)

for what it's worth Ian, i agree with you, it probably does you more harm than good posting on these forums... I've never paddled on any Hypr, but every time you post, there's less chance of that happening. Whatever bashing may happen, it does less damage than your responses.

Listen to your wife, you're not doing yourself any favors. aloha.

#71 Mon, 08/06/2007 - 10:49am

Ian,

You keep insisting to put everyone's business all over this site without respecting peoples privacy inorder to help back up or more like cover up problems that are accruing in your so call company. You put customers names, canoe clubs and even talk about your friends divorce on this site in order to help your defense with no shame. Brah all you should be thinking about is making these boat correctly.

I know downswell personally and was with him at that time when the damaged happened. He is a nice straight up kind of person and wouldn't bitch about anything unless something was really wrong. We were launching our canoes to do a downhill run when he clipped a rock with his rudder barely in the shallow. When he started paddling downwhill and couldn't control his boat we found that the whole rudder was up inside of the boat. Normally I know that builders strengthen the tail area especially under the rudder because that's where the boat rests when on the sand grass what have you. We couldn't believe how soft the boat was and when looking more closely all we seen was foam and no kevlar. Even if the boat was made for a demo or for sale the boat should be sturdy and safe to use no matter what.

Bottom line brah if your going to sell oc1/oc2's make sure your canoes are made the right way and work correctly before selling them. You wouldn't be going threw these problems right now if you did. Just my 2 cents.

#73 Mon, 08/06/2007 - 11:17am

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Hyper Canoes Info:
Just for your info, Hyper is willing to demo any of their canoes that is available to sell. All previous problems has been corrected in that we have a new facility and workers alert to old problems. All we can say is that we are sorry for ALL the disatisfied customers in the past and would like to make it up to them. We have done our best to correct any error made to the best of our ability. We have made refunds, exchanges and repairs even to customers who damage was not ours becuase of our customer satisfaction. in the last two months in oahu we have sold more thirty canoes, donating one for a worther cause. Worked with helping our youth programs so that they have canoes to paddle this coming year. And yes we still have problems to take care of. But the problem is being dealt with, all of them. If there are concerns,contact me and i will personally put the time and energy in correcting the problem. Our concern is to sell canoes that are of good quality and safe in the water. I will not sell a canoe that has no integrity and i am sure Ian feels the same way. Seeing is beleiving see for yourself instead of bashing online. Im sure your concerns are valid. But i have worked with Ian for the past several months and we have together put to rest many of the existing problems being discuss now. Give us the oppurtunity to satisfy your mind that we are offering a great product that is safe in the water. Try us out

#75 Mon, 08/06/2007 - 11:30am

I have to say that I would have happily tried out a canoe no matter where it was made, but after reading Ian's posts on this site I refuse to buy a canoe from him. An internet forum is a place where people can post their feelings without repercusions. That is until Ian gets involved and posts their names, and other personal info about them on the internet. Some people have no problem putting their name up, and others want to post anonymously. I done care either way. Every time a read a post of Ian's defending his canoes, the more sure I am that I would never buy a canoe from him. This post started out with some praise for the Hypr canoes and then once Ian became involved it all went downhill for Hypr canoes credibility. It isn't only about putting out a quality product, if your company does not have a good image in the public people will not buy it. Like saying "If you want to spread lies, half truths and rumors, exaggerate, criticize etc. you’ve come to the right place." This looks like you are putting down ocpaddler.com which is the largest place on the internet for people to communicate about paddling, and the more they communicate the more the sport grows. I believe that is what you keep saying you are trying to do, grow the sport. I guess that is all I have to say.

Nathaniel Evslin

#77 Mon, 08/06/2007 - 11:57am

And a special note to Odie and Jim, as in almost ALL “bitching” forums, you never hear from people that were very happy with what we do.

And is it standard operating procedure for you to brush off, flame and attack those who voice honest opinions that cast you and your boats in a negative light?

No one has ever asked or said for you to participate in a forum. And perhaps you shouldn't. The other boat builders seem to get by on the strength of their customer service and build quality, a lesson you would do well to learn

And ODIE for the 2000th time, we do not “knock off” the designers canoes, they are built under license and updated. Do you understand what a licensing agreement is ? Did you not read the entire thread about the original builders in Hawaii not really building canoes in any significant numbers anymore in Hawaii ?

I don't recall stating. I recall asking because I simply didn't know.
And no, i did not read that thread. Am I legally required to?

If you want to spread lies, half truths and rumors, exaggerate, criticize etc. you’ve come to the right place. You’re certainly takking time away from the sport we love, like I’m doing now.

My post was well-reasoned and based on the words that have, apparently, come out of your ass.

#79 Mon, 08/06/2007 - 2:18pm

Like I said earlier I have only tried one of the Hypr boats. I was out on Oahu in January and was paddling with a couple of guys we all had different boats one of them happened to be the Hypr Vantage. We were ridding up and down the Wall for over two hours, the thing that made me not want to get on the vantage was the tiny ass seat (I don't know if that was the standard one or a custom). Besides that and the fact that the steering was no where near responsive enough to be in those conditions, the boat ran ok.

Ian,
To change the T- bar on top of the rudder to a smaller size would increase the turn radius, and shorten the time the rudder had to move one way or the other, which would then greatly help on the steering. The seat (again I don't know if that was changed from Jan to now) I'm 5'11'' 185 I don't have a huge butt, but I mean come on the guys that are buying your boats will need something that at least one of their cheeks will fit on. Again the boat ran ok.

#81 Mon, 08/06/2007 - 3:03pm

Tpoppler01

Your right when you said the seat is to small as well as the tiller for the rudder. However, those matters has been change where we now use a one piece seat custom fitted to the paddler. And the tiller has been change to a metal tiller should give more turning radius. As I said ALL problems have been looked at and corrected. But if there is more let us know so that we can improve. All of you are right when you said this forum is for you to express your dissatisfaction. And we will take it as constructive critisim. Hopefully, we can win your trust and confidence someday.

#83 Mon, 08/06/2007 - 4:08pm