Fuze vs Pegasus?

Looking to buy a canoe soon and was wondering if anyone has paddled in both of these canoes. pros/cons?
thanks

Submitted by ddaniels on Tue, 11/27/2007 - 5:09pm



i have used both and i now have a pegasus, i cant really make a fair choice because i used a older fuze but i love pegasuses, easy to rig, surf bumps and waves much better then any other boat, the fuze i used was ok in the ocean but i thought it was a better canoe for medium conditions while the pegasus works well anywere


#1 Fri, 12/28/2007 - 12:34pm


Try searching the archives, there are several threads comparing boats. One of my good buddies switched from the Fuze to the Kainalu and he likes that.

Fed Fire guys seem to like the fuze though.


#2 Fri, 12/28/2007 - 12:46pm


I`ve owned both boats. 2 years ago I briefly owned a Pegasus.
Been on a Fuze ever since.

It`s worth it to try them all , learn all you can before you buy.

Buy what you like and have fun.

Aloha


#3 Fri, 12/28/2007 - 1:03pm


I had a new Fuze last spring and sold it after using it and racing in it in the North East for most of the season. Paddled a few people's Pegasus's to check out the boat for me. I also own a Kaimana I have had for 3 years. My Kaimana in my opinion which is now 3 yrs old is a better boat than the Fuze all round both for me and my wife. We just go faster using our GPS in all conditions in other rides than the Fuze we owned in our waters. I spent some time in a Pegasus and its a fast ride for me so I ordered one for next spring. One thing about my old Fuze I did love is the comfort and the cockpit and Ama. The boat was unfortunately far heavier than my Kaimana which is not the lightest boat around at 30lbs fully rigged, but just feels like a great all round weight for durability. My Fuze weighed 35lbs fully rigged which I think is too heavy for todays OC1 standards IMHO.

Like everyone said try different rides, pick what works for you...
Mahalo...PittBrah


#4 Sat, 12/29/2007 - 7:27am


I Had a Hurricane for a season, fast canoe ,,sold it. recently tried a Zephyr wow.. but I just got a Pegasus last oct. and I think Ill have this for a while, I love it.


#5 Sun, 12/30/2007 - 10:17am



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#7 Sun, 12/30/2007 - 12:05pm


Maybe Rambo or someone who owns both canoes could post a photo of a Fuze and Pegasus side by side so that we could quickly compare the differences in shape, hardware, cockpit design. Id do it but, Im fresh out of Pegasi right now.


#8 Sun, 12/30/2007 - 11:52am


Mulus (or anyone else out there),

Why did you sell your Hurricane if it was a fast boat? I have one - only OC1 I have ever paddled aside from 5 mins on a Fuze once - so I have nothing to really compare to.

I paddle in Florida and do lots of flat to small stuff with the occasional downwinder. I had a problem with the seam, but fixed it and am generally happy with the boat.

Question for you, having paddled a few canoes: I'm 6'1" and 190lbs. If an am going to get a new canoe should it be another Hurricane? Keep in mind the conditions I am paddling in.

Thanks in advance for your advice and Aloha!

Raphael


#9 Mon, 12/31/2007 - 5:18am


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#10 Sun, 01/13/2008 - 5:07am


The seams were cracking. Zephyr is a great canoe too. hurricane is the fastest not the toughest think its the Kaimana i heard was fast. I guess its what you feel comfortable on. but I would still pick my Pegasus I'm 220 6,2


#11 Mon, 12/31/2007 - 9:40am


Thanks for the comments and feedback.

Fuzerider, even considering flatwater conditions I often encounter, you still recommend the Zephyr?

And Mulus, I had the same problem as you but fixed the entier seam, sanded the boat clean and repainted w/PPG Concept paint. The boat looks killer now and has a rock solid seam. Of course this cost me some $, but I got a crazy deal on the boat, which had only been paddled three times.

Here's a pic.

Aloha

Raphael


#12 Mon, 12/31/2007 - 10:07am


Rarely is the water totally flat. Ive found that while racing in my Fuze , I can at least hang with the other paddlers no matter what kind of boat they are in. ( unless outclassed physically which happens quite a bit) If you are getting beaten in races , it aint the boats fault. The best motor is always going to finish first , everything else being equal.

What I find remarkable about the Outrigger Connection canoes is thier ability to accellerate downwind. The only canoes in the world right now that are well known for getting huge time gains over the competition in surfing conditions are the canoes paddled by Karel Jr. All of Karels canoes , for several years now have had those hard chines located below the waterline. Stingray one man had two chines , Fuze , Fusion , Zephyr and Stingray 2 all have the same hard chine on the bottom of the boat.

I could be wrong , but I dont think so , the chines help the water to get out of the way of the canoe more efficiently at speeds close to planing . It could be said that a canoe is always a displacement hull and planing doesnt really come in to play that much. Personally , I dont fully buy into that line of thinking, because the boats do plane somewhat . Even Ive done 16 mph on my Fuze according to my gps and Im a no name senior masters paddler. Im a believer in those hard chines and so is Karel or they wouldn`t have made it into the design of his latest canoe.


#13 Mon, 12/31/2007 - 10:59am


Fuzerider,

Mucho Mahalos for your input. Sounds like good reasoning to me from someone who has paddled a few boats.

I'll start saving my money now!

Raphael


#14 Mon, 12/31/2007 - 11:25am


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#15 Sun, 01/13/2008 - 4:59am


Fuzerider,

Do you ride a China or an Hawaii built Fuze? Do you have any opinions on them?


#16 Mon, 12/31/2007 - 11:38am


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#17 Sun, 01/13/2008 - 4:54am


fuzerider,
I appreciate your point of view, yet still abide by the old "try before you buy" mantra everyone's heard from me 1 million times before...
With that being said though, I think that the theory that Jr. wins all those races in the Fusion, and the Fusion has those cool chines, so those chines, and therefore all of OC's boats are responsible "for getting huge time gains over the competition in surfing conditions" might be stretching it a little bit.
If Jr. was winning races with antennae coming off the bow of his boat, would antennae be the newest and greatest addition to every one-man out there? Maybe. But that would be stupid. The only definitive thing we can say about OC's boats using Karel's numerous wins as evidence, is that Jr. is one fast MF.
Would you like a list of all of the races in the Pac. NW won on OC boats? I don't have official list, but I think it's somewhere around zero. Does that mean they're not fast? No. I can tell you what it means, but I've got the inside info: there's only about two or three OC boats raced in every race, and the top guys aren't paddling them.
I'm not saying that OC doesn't make fast boats, I'm just saying we should reason this out a little differently...

PS - Kaimana's are the bomb!

Love, goto.


#18 Mon, 12/31/2007 - 6:30pm


...also, Raphael, that is a cool-ass Huricane you've got there!


#19 Mon, 12/31/2007 - 6:31pm


...also, Happy New Year!


#20 Mon, 12/31/2007 - 6:32pm


Happy Canoe year


#21 Mon, 12/31/2007 - 10:10pm


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#22 Sun, 01/13/2008 - 4:59am


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#23 Sun, 01/13/2008 - 4:56am


It borders on the ridiculous to suggest that tiny differences like chines are the reason for winning races. The boat that wins the most in any particular region is the boat that is sold the most. If OC boats are winning on the East Coast, its likely because most paddlers in the races are using them. Why? Probably availability, good reps, whatever. SoCal also has approximately zero wins by OC boats. Why? No one paddles them in SoCal...too much volume, too much rocker for our waters. Chines or no chines. Kaimana and Hurricane are the dominant canoes.

If 75 out of 100 canoes in a race are a particular design, chances are that design is going to place well.


#24 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 8:22am


MEMO

TO:Fuzerider

FROM:ChineRider

DATE:2008 Year of the Chine

Regarding: The Secrets of the Chine

Fuzerider. What are you doing? I thought we had a deal about not letting the rest of the world know the power of the chine. Do you know how dangerous this is? I had the entire 2008 planned out to drop the "Chine" on all of the top paddlers. Next thing I am worried about is that you tell everyone that I have "Chined up!" my ama,which I have.
If the Tahitians read this, they will start chining all of their OC-6's and OC-1's and then they might get fast. Damn I am really pissed.

You know I am designing a surfski with chines on it. We know that SouthAfrica and Australia, have been designing water craft for 40 years and don't know anything about going fast. To think that they haven't learned about the power of chines is amazing. Chined surfski is like money in the bank.

P.S. Don't share this with anyone


#25 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 9:04am


The only true way to tell is to have various boats rigged with GPS and have several paddlers, in all conditions, going out many times, and that would give you an Idea how they work . then there’s the chance factor currents weather weeds health of the paddlers. Even then its an educated guess. there always someone that beats the odds. and when you add on one part of the canoe it minus’s from another part of the canoe if you make it longer its faster but douse not turn well, wider it has better balance but slower. ect. any paddler could have a few boats for different conditions a flat water boat a surfing boat a training boat. And boats differ even from the same mold. with the exact same materials. for whatever reason one will be the best one. So many factors make it difficult to say which is the fastest and personally I have not had the pleasure to ride a Fuze. I hear someone say when you get to the high end boats your splitting hares on the difference. A little of the topic paddles for instance I’ve tried so many and collect them. I have a 8.5 once zre , a few Quick blades Many Kialoa’s and Gillespie’s I also make them and on a average day I use my make. But I race with a Quick blade. If I could I would collect the canoes to. Im rambling

Happy canoe year.


#26 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 9:36am


O,ya

check it out

Like Forest said ( I love you Peggy )


#27 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 9:44am


Fuzerider you mentioned that Karel shortened iakos for his china boat to make his ama lighter. Is their such a thing as too tippy? can anyone comment on this.


#28 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 10:27am


Kona J,

I promise not to let your secret out.


#29 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 10:37am


The question is about Fuze/Pegasus.
I'll share my Fusion/Hurricane experience, maybe it can add to the decision making. Fusion, because it has chines, Hurricane , because it is a lower volume boat comparable to Fuze/Pegasus.

Right now I'd love to own three boats: Pegasus, Zephyr, Hurricane.

As far as I remember, the chines keep the boat on track a little better while diagonally surfing down a wave face - according to Karel.

The Fusion is extremely responsive to the rudder; in any condition at any speed the boat turns immediately where you want.
The Hurricane is definitely not that responsive to the rudder.

The Hurricane rudder is much smaller; that is of course an advantage as it reduces the drag. And that does make a difference.

In rough water you are always rock solid on the Fusion, that means you can always attack. I have to be more careful on the Hurricane.

Both boats paddle entirely different to no surprise. The Hurricane releases very easily and has a good glide at the end of the stroke - that would make me think that the overall under water area is smaller; again also a much smaller rudder.
The Fusion behaves better in the wave, is 'carried' by the wave, always in full control.
You need more raw strenght to paddle the Fusion. If you are under 200 lbs you do not need a Fusion.
Zephyr has some nice new features, including the forward cockpit, higher gunnel to avoid water in the foot wells, more vertical volume at the bow that changes the way the boat pearls, recovers form pearling, it's 'softer'.
The boat is optimized for behavior in the waves.

No waves - definitely Hurricane.
Little bumps - Hurricane
Medium bunps - Fusion
Larger waters - definitely OC
Upwind - Fusion

Hurricane is considering design changes.

I am fortunate to own a Fusion and a Hurricane, both are somewhat seasoned boats, both are rock solid. If I could, I would upgrade the Fusion to a Zephyr.


#30 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 12:06pm


Shortened iaku

too short, you hit the ama with your paddle.

too tippy, there is such a thing. It makes me hesitant, less rotation, shorter stroke, you name it.

Regular distance on OC boats is 46 inches, as far as I know. I have some repaired iakus in the mid 30ies, Hurricane. It works, but I am back to regular as I had to pay too much attention to the ama. The boat feels more compact with short iakus, is faster; in the waves, I loose that advantage due to balance issues.


#31 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 10:56am


Thanks Eckhart

do you rig your ama with a slight v-taper in relationship to the boat. Narrower in the front?


#32 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 11:27am


No, are some guys doing that ?

The person to ask, is the one who makes the ama. They can most likely give you an idea what happens with regards to different rigging options.

Interesting point: there is a traditional boat type in the pacific - I think it is poa - that has a kiel that is not straight; this is done to compensate for the effect of the ama.

The boat without the ama goes to the right, the ama pulls it to the left, together it runs straight.

It doesn't matter that much how you rigg the ama. In practice it does not matter at all, in a race a little more.

The imporatant point is to be well balanced in the condition you are racing in.
You rigg your boat too tippy, you won't be faster; maybe initially, but once you get a little tired you may have to pay the price.

Rigging is just a small component; if you are a beginner, rigg your boat solid and don't worry about it. You'd be leaning on the ama anyway, and more so if you feel unstable. Over time you will find a sweet spot wihtout much thinking judging the weather conditions correctly.

Practice drill: make it a habit to get your ama out of the water on every stroke on the right, at the beginning of your stroke and feel the glide; not at the end of the stroke though as that would mean that you are too deep with the paddle and are pulling the boat down.


#33 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 11:51am


The ama is a drag producer at the end of a lever arm. When you shorten your iakos , 2 things happen . The boats gets a little tippier and some of the drag due to the yawing force caused by the ama is reduced.

I always run my ama parallel with the hull ( no toe in or out)


#34 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 11:53am


This is my first one man season. I paddled regattas and long distance this year. Obviously a beginner. I have been reading forums and try to apply things that make sense to me when i practice. thanks for the input guys.


#35 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 12:10pm


e02060 is right-Karel's boats have too much volume and rocker for most mainland races. Awesome boats, though. Top notch construction. Fuze, you might want to try a Kaimana in Blackburn next year-give Jr. a run for his money!


#36 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 12:24pm


Didn't Jr. set the Molos record in a "chineless" viper?


#37 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 12:27pm


One more thought -

OC boats have a stringer.

Recently I had a 'meeting' with our golden master crew on a wave - they were in an OC 6, I was on a Fusion. We all ended up in the water, but they won the argument.
My Fusion was heavily damaged and filling up with water rapidly. I reconnected the amas and set out to reach shore, about 3/4 miles in.

Close to shore my hull was filled wtih water, I was still able to paddle and fortunately made it all the way - with the boat.

Without the bouyancy of the stringer the boat would have gone under without a doubt and I would have had no chance to prevent it; the boat filled with water was heavy as a rock.

Now it is a cheerful memory, but it could have easily been a total loss and a long swim.


#38 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 12:28pm


That`s a very good point to make eckhart. The stringer adds alot of bouyancy to the canoe if it takes on water . In Maine where I live the water is always cold and long swims are deadly.


#39 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 12:59pm


Hey fuserider-as the east coast rep for Outrigger Connection you are on the ball and doing a great job selling canoes. The other builders aren't doing such a good job getting their canoes to their reps but when they do get their act together it will be worth a person's time (when spending $3000+) to try the other canoes out as well. Look at the racing record of the canoes in Hawaii, AUS, Calif- places where there are choices on purchasing a variety of canoes. As far as canoes in demand, check out Y2kanu and see what is for sale and what isn't. Other canoes do have stringers - I think the Kaimana/Kainalu do as well the the Kai Wa'a canoes-probably others like the Vantage built on the Big Island. Karel Jr. is a great paddler, especialy in surf and it has nothing to do with the chine (never saw a porpoise with one) - he just has more time on the water and a great techinique - which is what it takes. Pahoa's, Pegasus, Scorpius, Kainalus, Hurricanes, Zephyr - all good canoes. Just depends on the paddler and the normal conditions of the primary area the paddler paddles in.Keep paddling and selling - you are doing a great job introducing the OC1 sport to the east coast paddlers.


#40 Tue, 01/01/2008 - 8:19pm


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#41 Sun, 01/13/2008 - 5:03am


Holy crap! All this time, I thought training and diet was the key to winning. Now I find out that its all in the chines! It's not the strongest paddler, but the one that glides on his chines. Who knew?

I also now know that buying a particular canoe - one that costs about $500 more than the others- is the key to winning. What a dumba** I am! Gimme the chines and let the instant-winning begin! I can' wait to glide past my teammates on my chines!


#42 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 5:08am


$3200. For an Outrigger Connection OC1 , (any model)

Karel even eats the shipping for you if you pick up the boat at his shop.


#43 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 6:30am


chines or no chines, Jr could paddle a Rubbermaid container (with antennas!) using a kitchen spatula and probably pull away on the downwind leg

I'm not sure if this is a scientific fact, but it makes Goto laugh...


#44 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 6:40am


Hahaha!

...does anybody know what chine it is? I gotta go tournament ten minutes...

Get him away Nathan!


#45 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 11:27am


Any thoughts why Outrigger Connections OC1's are not more popular amongst the racing crowd here on Oahu? I'm not saying that their boats aren't popular, I just don't see many of them in the race results.


#46 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 12:08pm


Openocean,

You're correct but if that rubbermaid had chines, Karel would be smokin'!


#47 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 1:54pm


Let the good chines roll !!


#48 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 2:50pm


The next Molo winner!


#49 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 6:38pm


I see chines on paddles and they do help the paddle from sliping from side to side.. as for no delievery you wouldent expect to pay a delievery charge if you pick it up. all this talk I have to try some fuze.


#50 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 9:44pm


Here's a link to a webpage that talks about chines on kayaks and how they affect speed and stability.

http://www.pygmyboats.com/Comparison.htm

And here's a quote from a forum discussion about hull design in yachts, speed and chines:

"A planing hull with sharp chines such as that found on a 18ft skiff or a power boat is typically fairly wide for its length and will undergo a very rapid increase in wavemaking resistance as it nears the calculated hull speed, but will undergo a transition to less drag if it climbs the bow wave and starts to plane. If the vessel has sharp chines and stern edges, it can throw spray away from its hull form and reduce its wetted surface as it increases in speed. In the case of some sailboards and hydroplanes(not discussing hydrofoils here) the hydrodynamic drag can be considerably lower at high planing speeds than at slow displacement speeds."

From what I've heard before in the past, chines really don't have any effect on the speed of the boat unless the boat hits a certain speed. What that speed is is unknown to me.


#51 Wed, 01/02/2008 - 10:47pm


Snarf,

That`s good stuff, many mahaloz for finding that kayak chine info.

That`s what I was suspecting was going on with the boats with chines.

They don`t have a speed advantage until the the critical speed is reached. Once the critical speed is reached though, you have the ability to move like you have a turbo charger in your okole.

Kind of like getting an extra gear that no one else has.

At my age , I need all the help I can get.

I`m keeping the chines.


#52 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 2:29am


Exactly what does a turbo charger-in-the-okole feel like?


#53 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 4:37am


Correction:

On your okole, who put that i so close to the o anyway?


#54 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 5:27am


Ah, good topic to register for... Been lurking here too long. I'll try to stay on topic regarding the Fuze's characteristics (haven't paddled a Peg)

As for chines, I just purchased first OC1 recently and the hard-chine on the Zephyr is one of the elements that attracted me to it. I'm an FNG OC paddler but long time veteran of water sports; ocean, lakes, and rivers.

My reasoning for the chine is that I believe it planes easier than a round bottom once accelerated on a wave. Also, analogous to OC1's (OPEN Canoe 1-man) for river running, hard-chines assist turning the boat when leaned while at speed. Having a rudder on an OC1 (OUTRIGGER Canoe, 1-man) is great but is like throwing a sea-anchor out when you make corrections. My [although inexperienced] predictions are that while accelerating down a wave, the hard-chine will help turning (right only) without slowing boat by bumping the pedals. This don't do me diddly for left turns though so my theory is out the window there. Sure, I'm splittin' hairs for one so new, but other things I like about the Zephyr was that it is a bit heavier in construction and while an open-water boat it seems to have little less rocker than the Fuze/Fusion, thus a bit faster on the flats. Since I don't have a nice boathouse on the water I need a bit more durability out of the water where most boats are bruised. Also the comfort was there. I expect to be putting many hours on this boat in many different conditions and at this stage of my development, the Zephyr (and I'm sure Fuze for the right body weight) has the right compromises in design for my purposes. It ain't the fastest on the flat, quickest down a wave, lightest under the paddle, or the top finisher in all the current races, but it seems a good choice for what I intend to do with it; everything.

As we all know, selecting a boat is about meeting all the compromises in design for your application.

Another analogy to chines on OC1's is hard-rails compared to egg-rails on surfboards. Think of the differences coming down the face; one accelerates, the other softens.

Also, to really evaluate a piece of equipment, you need all your choices lined up and then test (paddle) each one for about 10-minutes each, then again, again, and again; paddling each many times over. Beware of testing one boat one day, then another, another day; the body as uncanny ability to adapt and you won't get an honest evaluation unless you "shock" the body into neutrality. I'm lucky, I'm so new at this that any boat out there will rock so I ignorantly bought from intuition. Easier I guess, eh?

BTW, hope I didn't get too "Zephyr" centric; Fuze is what your looking at so trying to stay within bounds..

Cheers and good luck with your decision; that Pegasus looks like one nice boat, very popular.


#55 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 5:49am


Hey Chineboy,

Welcome to the peanut gallery.

Aloha ,

Fuze


#56 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 6:03am


Some times I feel like motherless chine.


#57 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 12:01pm


The word "chine" comes from the Canadian root-word "Chinese" which is French for "oriental joint". Very similar to "American knees" but skinnier.
I'll use the word "chine" in a sentence so you understand the context: "Look at that chine."

You're welcome.


#58 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 4:28pm


Love the chine, the chine is good, love the chine the chine is good...


#59 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 5:44pm


Its Miller chine


#60 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 7:35pm


since i can't paddle, my workouts consist of chine ups.


#61 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 8:53pm


Couldn't find the etymology of "chine", so here's next closest word "chink"

"slit," 1535, from M.E. chine (with parasitic -k) from O.E. cinu "fissure," related to cinan "to crack, split, gape," from PIE base *gei-, *gi- "to germinate, bloom," connection being in the notion of bursting open. The unrelated derogatory slang word for "a Chinaman" first recorded 1901.


#62 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 9:24pm


Dictionary .com

chine

a. the backbone or spine, esp. of an animal.

b. the whole or a piece of the backbone of an animal with adjoining parts, cut for cooking.

c.To have a high opinion of; esteem or respect for a Scorpius


#63 Thu, 01/03/2008 - 9:45pm


For all the the bad backs out there. Put a chine in your spine. You'll be faster.


#64 Fri, 01/04/2008 - 6:57am


What was that Jack Nicholson movie? "The Chining".


#65 Sat, 01/05/2008 - 7:54am


As Fuzerider stated at Blackburn there were some pretty top notch paddlers from Toronto, Canada there contending - Derek Schrodder, Larry Cain and Sheila Kuyper. All strong paddlers from a very strong sprint canoe background. If I remember Derek came second at Blackburn behind Karel while Larry was third or fourth and Sheila won the womens race paddling a great final downwind leg to catch the womens lead pack and finally pass them.

We had Danny Ching up here racing in our Toronto Island race on a older Kaimana that was very well used (not a Kainalu or the new Kaimana with the forward cockpit design). Well Danny finished about 4 mins ahead of our top guys in that race. It would be very interesting to see how Blackburn would have fared had he raced there this year against Karel in Johnny's new Kainalu.

I have been on my Kaimana for three years now and it does everything well. Flats, bumps and all. Its light and strong as evidenced by three years of daily time in hot and cold weather here on Lake Ontario. It's a great boat, if the Kainalu is even better I'd be stoked to get a ride on it. I ordered a new Pegasus for next spring needing a boat for me and the wife. It will be plenty fast for me. BTW Derek raced a Pegasus at Blackburn and Larry was either on a Hurricane or Peg as well. Having owned a Fuze here last season it is definitely not the boat for me. My GPS does not lie vs. me paddling my Kaimana and a Pegasus compared to the effort needed by me to keep my Fuze running at the same speed over race distances. Like other people have said here and IMHO the Fuze/Fusion is not the best ride in the North-East given most of the conditions we race in. There are many other boats up here more suitable for our waters and as far as I know when the top paddlers come to Ecora races the guys winning solo races are on Hurricanes or Pegasus's or Huki V1-Zs. If I remmber correctly the mens and womens Ecora OC-1 overall points winners are both on Hurricanes. Same with the womens races in Ecora, most are won by women in smaller volume boats. Sheila Kuyper is just such a standout female paddler she could win races in any boat so I doubt its the fact that she races a Fuze here that makes her go.

Fuzerider has a vested interest in his product as a dealer which I think is great. Everyone has the right to pimp their ride whether its the best boat for you or not.


#66 Sun, 01/06/2008 - 8:33am


Nice brah
clear and concise, Im from Van and just got a Peggy last oct. what you said about our flat waters was on the button .. right on chine too.


#67 Sun, 01/06/2008 - 10:36am


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#68 Sun, 01/13/2008 - 5:08am


...in summary:
Danny Ching wins races because he's an awesome paddler. Junior wins races because of chines - he had his dad put them on his one-man for that purpose. If you chine-up you can win races too. That's a proven fact, because in races in which 90% of all competitors are paddling chined one-mans, many of them do well. It's either that, or practice enough to become an awesome paddler like Danny Ching... and who wants to practice that much - not me.

One question: how have paddlers like Kai, Patrick Dolan, and Aaron Napoleon overcome the flooding and slowness of the Pegasus and won any races?


#69 Sun, 01/06/2008 - 12:43pm


The answer is ball bearings. It all ball bearings now a'day... you guys should know that by now!

The boats with the highest ball bearing to chine ratio will the race, given the race course is measured in nautical miles, not imperial.


#70 Sun, 01/06/2008 - 1:54pm


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