V-1

Anyone familiar with the v-1 canoes ,what is hot in v-1 scene now,post some picts

Submitted by canoemaker on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 1:18pm



Great va'a skills


#1 Wed, 10/29/2008 - 5:52am


I ment real va'a with cockpit ,like Tam Va'a or Timi Va'a


#2 Tue, 05/13/2008 - 12:12pm


Tiger Teva Nui?


#3 Tue, 05/13/2008 - 12:16pm


Kamanu Composites will be building V1's and V3's (hopefully!) from their shop in Kailua by 2009.

...also, keep your eyes and ears open for the HVA (Hawaii Va'a Association) coming soon...


#4 Tue, 05/13/2008 - 12:25pm


We just had our time trials in Canada -two seperate places east -Toronto, the West in the interior of BC
Just under 100 paddlers have tried out for Team Canada and four olympians among them. Times where fast and all time trials where done in the Canadian built va'a the C-Lion.

cheers

     www.outrigger.ca

#5 Tue, 05/13/2008 - 5:42pm


HVA???
goto whats the scoops???


#6 Tue, 05/13/2008 - 7:18pm


Check out:
http://www.mauikanu.co.nz/

they make the best V1's on the market today. I jsut came back from Tahiti and If i was there i'd get a Timi Va'a, hands down... no comparison... but Tahiti made carbons are EXPENSIVE- expect to pay $6000 + for one of race standards... if you get one less than that it's probably not carbon or layed up 'tourist style'. My friend ho paddles for Pirae Va'a uses a Timim Va'a. along with all the best guys in Tahiti.
I'm ordering a Maui Kanu boat soon from the factory... they do snap in iakos or traditional style and they also do detachable rudders... check out their page. Made by a Tahitian in New Zealand.
Nothing i've see really compares to Maui Kanu or Timi Va'a.


#7 Fri, 05/30/2008 - 9:22am


i saw the V-1 that kamanu composite will be making and it is great its a boat from tahiti and i think no one will be disaapointed in it..


#8 Fri, 05/30/2008 - 4:12pm


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#9 Tue, 08/04/2009 - 7:52am


Any picts of the kamanu composite V-1


#10 Sat, 05/31/2008 - 8:03am


All of this sounds pretty exciting.


#11 Tue, 06/03/2008 - 12:32pm


I think I saw Manny on a V-1 the other night outside of Waikiki coming into the Ala Wai. Can anyone confirm and if so, what type of V-1 that was? It looked pretty sweet and he seemed to make it look all too ez,


#12 Tue, 06/03/2008 - 9:56pm


Manny and a bunch of ppl been on them.
better training.
He's using one from Tahiti, unless he's on Uncle Nappys which is from World Sprints a couple yrs back.
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#13 Tue, 06/03/2008 - 10:12pm


How is the learning curve, moving from an OC-1 to a V-1?

What about surf-ski paddlers--can they make the transition straight to the V-1?


#14 Wed, 06/04/2008 - 8:13am


I've pulled the rudder off my canoe and on a smooth, calm, day its not too bad. Haven't worked up the nerve to try it when its blowing.


#15 Wed, 06/04/2008 - 8:50am


Go for it !


#16 Wed, 06/04/2008 - 3:13pm


Got a chance to paddle rudderless for a week in Tahiti... got my butt kicked by kids the first few times, but it's really not that difficult.

But honestly very different than an OC1 without a rudder.

The extra length and tracking ability makes turning more difficult but gaining and maintaining speed easier.

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#17 Wed, 06/04/2008 - 4:33pm


So how much "extra length" compared to the average OC1?


#18 Wed, 06/04/2008 - 5:06pm


My V1's lenght is 720cm i.e. 23'7"1/2...


#19 Wed, 06/04/2008 - 5:37pm


That's about average...
7m 20

or a little less or more.

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#20 Wed, 06/04/2008 - 9:32pm


Taking your rudder off your one-man is only an approximation of what a real V1 is like - and not a very good one at that.


#21 Thu, 06/05/2008 - 10:02am


if you had two pieces of 1x2 and drilled a hole in the middle of the pieces of wood that are about 12 inches long or so and bolted your kicker plates still, so you could not use them but the rudder would still help in the tracking. it would be similar to a Vaa, but watch for slivers.


#22 Fri, 06/06/2008 - 4:39am


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#23 Tue, 08/04/2009 - 7:52am



JMONEY's camera's skills don't do TMONEY's paddling skills justice. All the same nice vid.


#25 Fri, 06/06/2008 - 11:20am


Looks like a much more technical ride.


#26 Fri, 06/06/2008 - 12:37pm


Aloha. I am very interested in the tahitian one man canoe.
like the temana and vetea. planing on racing one of v1 in
the Molokai channel. is the weight between 28 and 30lbs
okay for flat and channel racing? i am 5ft 11in 170lbs
your comment will be just great.
Mahalo for your kokua


#27 Tue, 10/28/2008 - 10:33pm


Great Vidio


#28 Wed, 10/29/2008 - 5:50am


That vid is pretty cool...


#29 Wed, 10/29/2008 - 7:51am


Hull immersion and trim is critical for optimum performance, so different hulls required for different weight people.


#30 Wed, 10/29/2008 - 8:13am


Aloha Alana,

I have a vetea coming in soon, was planning on trying to do a crossing with it too, first its considering your expirience, training, and then water conditions, besides that, your height and weight are fine

There is a lot more training to be done on a v-1 than an oc-1
flat is easily adjustable but surfing is like something to learn all over again


#31 Wed, 10/29/2008 - 4:38pm


How does the vetea compare with the temana? (newer design?)
Maybe some of you could clarify this, it seems like the websites for Maoli Waa and Maui Kanu, both have pictures of the same two rudderless but each have different names. On maoliwaa's site one is the temana and the other is the tahitoa. On mauikanu's site the temana is called the hotrigger and the tahitoa appears to be the xtsea. Both sites share the same photos of the same boats, anyone know why there's two different websites? The temana and tahitoa both have 'maui kanu' logos on them so maybe they are all made by maui kanu? Just curious...


#32 Wed, 10/29/2008 - 5:40pm


All come from Maui Kanu built by Teiva

First was Tahitoa which is traditional style with lashed on iakos and the second is the Temana which are more modern with clip in iakos to the boat, the Vetea is like a hybrid model of the two boats and its hull is like the Temana but is traditional like the Tahitoa with the lashed on iakos.

Maoli Waa is jus the co. down here for Maui Kanu


#33 Thu, 10/30/2008 - 6:38am


Aloha irie

Glad to hear your vetea is coming. I became interested in the v-1 style and in particular the vetea after seeing and reading about it on the internet. I paddled 6 man for many years and did the Molokai and now want to start again with the freedom that a one man gives.
I was wondering your opinion on the choice of getting a double carbon or carbon with fiberglass? Your insights and opinions of this canoe would just be great to hear.
Mahalo
Alana


#34 Sat, 11/08/2008 - 7:45pm


With the V-1 races coming up in Sept. just wondering if there's any new updates on the V-1 market -

any local suppliers? Performance comments on Maoli Wa'a V-1s? or status on Kamanu Compsites V-1 status? Any used V-1s for sale?

Mahalo nui!


#35 Mon, 07/27/2009 - 10:08am


Come to the HVA race Sept 12 and check them all out.
HVA has a fb page that has the info... (see previous post by Jeremy)

www.maoliwaa.com
[maui kanu]
[tahiti rames]
Polynesian Outrigger Performance [tm]


#36 Mon, 07/27/2009 - 11:19pm


Just wondering if that Savage River Surfrigger would be considered a V-1 if the rudder was removed? Anyone have a performance review of this canoe that's made in Oakland, MD?
Will some be racing in Jamestown Saturday? Understand it was designed by a Kiwi paddler and looks like it should do well there on the East Coast and inland waters? At 24 ft., it is too long for me, but should be very fast with such a long waater line?


#37 Wed, 07/29/2009 - 6:11pm


http://www.moananui.co.nz/surfrigger.htm

Modeled on Tahatian V1s, and given New Zealand leans towards a more Tahitian style design ethic it should be good without the rudder. I paddle something similar, a Wenonah Javelin, that does okay on a pretty large lake. Still want to get in an actual Tahitian designed va'a though…


#38 Wed, 07/29/2009 - 7:16pm


Mahalo Anowara,
Just wondering if anyone has eskimo rolled the Surfrigger when equipped with sprayskirt?


#39 Thu, 07/30/2009 - 4:38am


I have committed to paddling a V1 for the 404km Murray River Canoe Marathon at Christmas. I have trimmed the ama so it is just skimming the water. At the moment I am just experimenting with the normal stroke and to keep very straight I paddle on average five left, three right. Should I start working on a C or J stroke and if so on which side. Bear in mind I have to do this for up to 8.5 hours a day for five days so the stroke has to be efficient and I have to look at reducing the load on the left side making the correction for the ama. I have paddled extensively in a sit down C1 in a former life so I am not hopeless, just need to fine tune.

Hiro, you should be able to answer all these questions!


#40 Thu, 07/30/2009 - 12:06pm


I never really mastered a good J stroke in a canoe canoe, but I didn't find it the most efficient way to keep my V1 in a line, and I think bent shaft paddles make it harder to execute well. C stroke would be better, but is probably even too much steering. I usually just alternate between forward strokes and quarter draws to change my heading, along with swapping sides if the wind is pushing me around a lot.

I've learned a lot just by watching Tahitian689's videos on YouTube as well.


#41 Thu, 07/30/2009 - 12:32pm


At the risk if sounding like a commercial...

Come to the Race Around the Hat. This event is taking place because we want to provide experienced V-1 paddlers with a fun race while also giving first timers an event that is safe and non intimidating. We will have demo canoes from at least three different manufacturers on hand for people to demo and race in. So far Maoli Wa'a, Kamanu, and Tiger canoe have all stepped up. So come on down and check out the new canoes!


#42 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 1:18pm


I would say exactly like anowara...
Man 8+ hours a day, for 5 days... you're hardcore !


#43 Thu, 07/30/2009 - 8:17pm


Recon the Maui kanu boats are fast, trac really well, look cool and even catch long swells and any little bump ...but I wouldn’t trust them in the open ocean conditions. Under stress, they flex crack and come apart. Just that there made the old hand lay-up style no foam core, no vacuum bag and to keep them light, fewer layers, well that’s what happened to my one. Just press against them and you will see how much flex they have, compare them to tigers.
That was my experience anyway, poor quality


#44 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 1:23pm


In comparing canoes, I have only made comments from my personal experience..judge for yourself..


#45 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 1:24pm


Clarkie,
As you know C-1 river paddlers don't bother wasting power with steering strokes. It is all straight ahead power forward strokes. Perhaps Fuzerider could enlighten us on this? If there are any recent video clips of the big river races like the Gen. Clinton, AuSable, etc., please, someone, post them?


#46 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 2:50pm


Yep, I am just looking for some insight into paddling V1 on flatwater for extended periods. I noticed in the vid a sweep/draw combo was his favorite on the left side for quick correction. I could use that a bit without too much damage. Our obstacles are wind direction, eddies and snags (logs just under the surface). Wind direction is the biggest killer on a 90km plus day. I can't afford to wear out the left side with four days to go but I want to keep it pumping at a speed befitting a V1. It has great glide from the little bit of work I have done in it. I am paddling a Tahitian V1 made by Zulu in Australia. As Koacanoe has said, we never used steering strokes in the C1, just changed sides to keep straight and leaned the canoe over to go around a corner. Can't do that with an ama. There are no sharp turns on the Murray Marathon so efficiency in a straight line is what I am looking for and would welcome any tips with stroke or set up for the flat.


#47 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 8:49pm


Then Clarkie, the trade off is you'll have to sacrifice some speed for efficiency, by working on your C-stroke or up front pitch stroke where you pull the bow to your paddle blade at the catch, power ahead with the forward stroke and push the stern away from your paddle blade at the end of the stroke (Jstroke). You'll paddle straight as an arrow until you meet up with strong side wind that will push the tail and move the bow in the opposite direction. Now how you counteract this force depends on your skill and experience.


#48 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 9:24pm


The wind used to be a handful in a C1 and sometimes had to lay the canoe flat on its side and paddle on the same side. (The C1's we paddled weren't like USCF pro boats, there are no wings on them.) Not going to be able to do that on the ama side but could lean right and lift the ama paddling on the right I guess. Sometimes when the wind is blowing flat out across the river we just have to paddle in the shallows close to the bank.

I was thinking I was going to have to sacrifice some speed for control as muscleing it all day will result in all sorts of problems after a couple of days. I can sit on a wash with a few sweep strokes thrown in but can't see myself doing that all day either.

I guess preparing a tired old body for a big challenge might be my best option. Then after Christmas I can give the V1 back to Bondy and get back on the Pegasus.


#49 Fri, 07/31/2009 - 10:51pm


Son of Tangaroa, to be fair, press against any tahitian fibreglass V1 and off course, they will flex. My carbon hull V1 Maui Kanu beats any other Tahitian V1 in every way in quality and performance on the flat as well or in the open ocean!
As you say, "Maui Kanu V1 are fast, track really well, look cool and even catch long swells and any little bump". NZ made Maui Kanu!!! Tumeke


#50 Sat, 08/01/2009 - 8:10am


...In comparing canoes, I have only made comments from my personal experience. Judge for yourself...

In a down wind open ocean paddle, My boat flexed, came apart at the seams and started taking on water, the movement caused the ama pillars jell coat on the hull to crack and let the water in from the top also...
It is a good boat on Lake Race, in a sheltered lagoon race, in a harbor race and doing sprint races, but...
I would not want to be in my xtasea, along Makapu or any where between Molokai and Oahu when it was more than 1 foot, or in any open ocean My waka was poorly made, to be fair.


#51 Sun, 08/02/2009 - 1:37am


J stroke is easy to learn needs to be aplied only from time to time wile paddling. When paddling any monohull canoes we actualy steer the boat more by leaning than j stroking,Flat water canoes don't even use j stroke ,first beacuse the paddle stroke is vertical and second because there is a gentle lean to the boat..Boats generaly turn away from the lean so you could probably trim the canoe so that the ama is very light and canoe hull is leaned a bit towards the ama that would probably cure some of the ama drag and turnning moment.


#52 Sun, 08/02/2009 - 12:31pm


Went training today and put a few of the above hints into the session. A quick quarter draw a sweep seemed to be most effective. Ama is light but nowhere near hanging in the air so I will get it right on the edge and practise from there. If I can lean both ways to steer it will take me back to the old days. Only hassle with that, I gave C1 away in favor of outrigger to protect my back. I guess for six months I can put up with it!


#53 Mon, 08/03/2009 - 1:25am


Leaning steering is one thing that is great on classic canoes,its great ,but its hard to make an efficient hull that still has enough stability without outriger ,just bought for peanuts a 20y old wooden flat water C-1that still needs a bit of a rebuild as someone broke the deck a bit ,am now trying to paddle a flatwater C-1 ,but for now i am mostly swiming ,these canoes are realy hard to stay upright and paddle.These boats are only as wide as outrigger hulls but no ama and very high CG.But that the fun part not every one can paddle these.


#54 Mon, 08/03/2009 - 11:26am


Just catching up to new topics and people want to know what is new out there. Tiger Canoe has completes and is now building their new va'a, Teva I Tai. There are demos on Oahu, Kona, and So Cal.

Tiger
Tiger Canoe


#55 Mon, 08/03/2009 - 4:05pm


Thanks for the video canoemaker, for I really enjoyed playing it a few times. In Hawaii, the all time Olympic high knee sprint paddler has got to be that great waterman, Wyatt Jones.


#56 Mon, 08/03/2009 - 6:17pm


Son of Tangaroa,

This is MAUI KANU.

We have read your disparaging remarks about our canoes. We would very much like to know who you are as to date we have not exported any V1 XTSea to Hawaii. As such, how would you know how it would perform in “Makapu or any where between Molokai and Oahu more than 1 foot, or in any open ocean ’’. But we have exported our other Maui Kanu V1 models in Hawaii, and had positive feedback; to quote one of our satisfied Hawaiian contacts, “I use mine in the roughest of Hawaiian waters including the Molokai channel side of Oahu weekly…”

On the evidence before us, we feel it is highly unlikely that you are telling the truth. In all of our years of manufacturing we have never had any complaints similar to the incident that you described in your claim. Please contact us and verify your details so that we can clear this up. We are surprised that we have not heard from as you would think from your account that it is manufacturer’s fault as you feel the boat was, in your words, "poorly constructed‘’, most people would claim under their warranty. Under the Consumer Guarantees Act, we will meet our obligations and will repair or replace the canoe if it is our manufacturing fault at our own discretion. The warranty excludes defects as a result of normal wear and tear or damage brought about by negligence or improper use. If it was our waka we would do our utmost to rectify the situation if it falls within the afore mentioned Act.

We are proud of the quality of our waka and the reputation we have built up. We believe strongly that our canoes are built to standard and are fit for the purpose of social and competitive paddling. We stand by our outrigger canoes as a quality made product which have proved themselves time and time again at the different nationals and regattas over the years. We also have hundreds of happy customers to back us up.
Do you realise that by publishing untruths that are likely to harm the reputation of a business or person you can be sued for defamation.

Please find our contact details below to clear this matter up as we do not want to be forced to take further action to protect our reputation.

MAUI KANU
P.O. Box 9024
Springfield Heights
Rotorua
NEW ZEALAND
Tel: +64 7 348 8711
Mob: +64 27 2055721
E-mail: mauikanu@xtra.co.nz
Website: www.mauikanu.co.nz


#57 Mon, 08/03/2009 - 9:51pm


So uncool threatening with legal action ,this is a forum so by concept place for opinons, rumors,lies & halftruths so you go with the flow or don't bother at all ,but this kind of attitude wont win you friends or customers for that mater ,no good for reputation either


#58 Tue, 08/04/2009 - 12:25am


www.thestoryofstuff.com

I think it is pretty important to verify claims. Justine has made a good point esp if this is maui kanu's livelihood. SUch claims should be backed up, traced and verified if it is true; and if fault lies with manufacturer, compensation rightly claim or otherwise retract statements.

In the same rein, it will be good if canoe makers could responsibly take action through their dealers to rectify canoe faults. I, for one, would wish for my canoe maker to do what MAui kanu claim they would do.

I have a leaking canoe just after a 2nd paddle. Very sad the problem could not be traced nor rectified..


#59 Tue, 08/04/2009 - 7:54am


Canoemaker, I tried kneeling in one years ago when it was a delta shape, I would put the blade in the water and my head would follow in exactly the same spot, I was too old and it was too cold. But we put seats in them so we could race at Nationals against the high kneelers. The kneelers were faster than most sitters in C1 but in C2 it was much more even. Now the width rule has been done away with the canoes are so narrow you can't sit in them. They are making a big resurgence in South Australia with a great kids program as sprint C1 is an Olympic sport and attracts big funding.

Last night I trimmed the V1 very light so I could lean left and steer the canoe, it worked but still needed a bit of help with a sweep. Hats off to you guys who paddle these in the ocean!!!!!!


#60 Tue, 08/04/2009 - 11:41am


Clarkie,New generation C-1 even tough they are narrover are more stable than most old ones due to the fact that they now have a large flat area on the bootom to minimise bobing.
Will build 2 floats of some sort to mount on the Deltas to get some more paddling time and improve my stability

V-1 have a nice slender hulls with some V shape on the botoms so response to leaning is as big as they get but its a bit hard to do due to ama ,but at least you can trim it and tune the boat a bit with wood wedges,that is why tahitian type iakos with rubber straps are beter than aluminum tube iakos


#61 Wed, 08/05/2009 - 3:02am


not to bash but i was kindof dissapointed with my mauikanu boat. it wasnt as stiff or as light as i was hoping. it seemed to me that the ah-mins that got shipped in a while before mine were made of alot better quality, and the price was a thousand dollars cheaper


#62 Wed, 08/05/2009 - 11:01pm


Careful with those slanderous words toward Maui Kanu, their legal department is running on overtime trying to figure out how to bring an international defamation suit against son of tangaroa.


#63 Thu, 08/06/2009 - 9:37am


Can someone send me a private message or links on the forum to V1 options in Hawaii? I heard Kamanu, Tiger and Maoli'i but how do i get ahold of them?


#64 Fri, 08/28/2009 - 2:34pm


kamanucomposites.com

tigercanoe.com

maoliiwaa.com


#65 Fri, 08/28/2009 - 2:54pm


Mahalo for the links. The last link has an extra "i" in it.. www.maoliwaa.com will get you there though :)


#66 Sun, 08/30/2009 - 11:11am


How does everyone get around a tight turning buoy in a V1. I paddle in a wide section of the Murray River and use a marker buoy as the turn. Can't get around it just sweeping on the right, tried pulling up and doing a three point turn. The most success I have had is with a cross bow rudder, even with this I still have to put a few strokes in and do it again. On our 404km race at Christmas it will not be an issue as it is all downriver but I want to do some other races that are circuit courses and it really shits me giving up that much ground each turn.


#67 Sun, 08/30/2009 - 11:27am


Drop your leg over the side and Keep paddling on the opposite side.

Rambo


#68 Sun, 08/30/2009 - 12:28pm


Safer if you turn left (leg in the water on ama side).


#69 Sun, 08/30/2009 - 1:01pm


get out, lift the boat and turn it, get back in.
20point turning
or plan the turn out very far in advance and make sweeping turns, really no joke on the first one though fastest way to turn.


#70 Sun, 08/30/2009 - 7:10pm


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