Best Super Aito 2008 @ you tube

enjoy...

Submitted by ...IwouldGo on Tue, 09/23/2008 - 9:37pm



82 comments

oops my bad!!!! I'm new with this.... I don't know how to delete a comment...


#1 Tue, 09/23/2008 - 9:40pm


That is the greatest paddling video I have ever seen in my whole entire life.


#2 Tue, 09/23/2008 - 11:04pm


yes girl!!!! you not only WENT, but you did some serious DAMAGE!!!

way to go!!

now you deserve to get some solid sponsorship to work for 2009!!!!

Imua!


#3 Wed, 09/24/2008 - 3:11am


Perfect demo of what can be done with a rudderless... those things CAN surf !


#4 Wed, 09/24/2008 - 8:39am


Dido!

we rocking da Temana this year!


#5 Wed, 09/24/2008 - 9:41am


Ho, waaay cool.


#6 Wed, 09/24/2008 - 10:14am


Pure paddling, beautiful to watch and so inspiring.
These guy's are the Equestrian riders of the ocean.

Rambo


#7 Wed, 09/24/2008 - 11:07am


That is just amazing. I watched the section with Manutea like three times, that guy makes it look so easy. To get to the point that hose guys surf at, wow. I wish I could get a whole hour of close up shots to watch how they use their paddle and their body to control.


#8 Wed, 09/24/2008 - 11:35am


Holly Vaa'


#9 Wed, 09/24/2008 - 1:03pm


I can't stop watching this video too.... It's kinda I'll learn with it.... It's so amazing how they make it seem sooooo easy!
But it's possible..... just gotta put time on it....
I know it's hard when you know you can go so much faster and much more easy with our canoes... gotta want it!

I'm hooked.... if I had a rudderless I would be paddling as much as I could...

Thanks Mariano! It's hard to find sponsors though......


#10 Wed, 09/24/2008 - 9:26pm


not-for-profit info:
getting my cousin to send me some super aito vids... the whole thing from tahiti sent (Posted earlier about it).
Should be here in a couple weeks. a few people asked me for a copy already. I'll pass them on at exactly what they cost... just dont duplicate and share cuz that's illegal :)
Let me know if you want one... Some people already asked... dont know how much yet. My cousin looking this week.
And shameless ploy...
U CAN have a rudderless... they available here and now...
:)


#11 Wed, 09/24/2008 - 10:40pm


Poetry in motion on water! Awesome to see the Super Aito Vahine

Thanks for posting this video! Watching in FULL screen was awesome!


#12 Wed, 09/24/2008 - 10:49pm


Guy's if you want to watch it in High Quality just paste “&fmt=18” (with out the inverted comma’s) to the end
of the URL and it'll play in HQ.

You can do this to any youtube video if you go direct to the youtube site, not through OC paddler. Just click on the youtube logo above.

Cheers Rambo


#13 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 12:41am


the huli toward the end looks like it happened in slow motion! I'm sure it was like, "Oh sh!t!..." It looks like he tried to keep it down...


#14 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:40am


This is along the lines of what Rambo posted, but it's a little Javascript bookmarklet you can use to download the video as an mp4 file.

mp4 instructions

Amazing video, thanks for sharing.


#15 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:49am


Anowara - that GreaseMonkey worked perfectly - thanks!


#16 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 10:58am


kamamakakaua, not really greasemonkey which is specific to Firefox, just a little javascript to provide a link to the higher resolution mp4 file. I take no credit, I saw it on daringfireball and have used it extensively for the past year or so.

For the other paddlers who have some rudderless experience, I saw a lot of what looks like poking in the video and I remember in the V1 forum Luke or someone saying not to poke. Is this something that's actually useful when surfing and not necessarily for flatwater?

I've found I wind up doing a lot of quarter draws and switching sides on flatwater to strong wind chop and haven't felt a need to try poking yet. But then I'm also not crossing a channel and catching waves like this...


#17 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 12:46pm


flat water and open ocean are two different beasts. As we know from steering OC6, poking is slow, same with on a V1 in flat water, that is why it is less desirable, but when your moving fast enough (catching a wave etc) poking is just fine.

Unless you are a really poor V1 paddler, like myself, whatever you can do to go straight is fine.


#18 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 1:57pm


Do the Tahitians use the same V1's for flat water as they do for ocean?

Are the boats basicly as sleek and fast as posible or do they have boats as wide as Hawaiian OC1's as well?


#19 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 4:29pm


this video seems to me nice. i am to have pleasure watching it.


#20 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 6:31pm


Viva la Italia!


#21 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 6:50pm


i wish i had one of these va'a. unfortunately models like her are not made in Hawaii.


#22 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 7:19pm


Bart man

Just like anything there are different models and shapes, but for the most part the V1s are of the same styling. Hiro C could expand on this I'm sure...


#23 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 7:41pm


They are available in Hawaii...
two manufacturers.


#24 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:07pm


who's making them in hawaii, where, and how much?


#25 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:22pm


Each va'a shaper makes his model. Each model is used for flat water AND ocean. Some V1s handle better in the surf, some are faster in flatwater... but I know noone who owns different canoes for flatwater and ocean racing.


#26 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:25pm


yes, who is building rudderless boats in hawaii?


#27 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:26pm


I know Kamanu guys are working on a variation of a Philip B. mold.
(http://kamanucomposites.com/)
Maoli Wa'a is distributing two V1's now.
www.maoliwaa.com

Check 'em out


#28 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:29pm


I know Kamana Composites has a license to make 2 different models of rudderless on Hawaii, but they are not making them yet.... I already contact them....

And you only poke if you have enough speed! (basically only when you're surfing, to keep the direction or to give direction)


#29 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:33pm


There are two models currently available:
Temana
Tahitoa

Temana is more modern... snap in iakos

Tahitoa is 100% traditional

Available in carbon, hybrid, and fiberglass

Also both are available with removable rudders for big days and learning.


#30 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:37pm


Do you know who rides the Temana?

Thanks for the contact info!


#31 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:39pm


First order on the way.
I got one :)
None on the water yet...
Uncle Nappy's grandson Koa is ordered one too.


#32 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:40pm


Since it's made on New Zeland.... how much is the shipping?!


#33 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 8:45pm


nerd moment
whoa, never thought i'd see daringfireball, greasemonkey and the fmt youtube hack mentioned on ocp. and a javascript bookmarklet. damn, we'll be taking on slashdot soon.

oh, sweet video too.


#34 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 9:51pm


See, there are some Geeks amongst us Keizo .. hahaaa.

Cheers Rambo


#35 Thu, 09/25/2008 - 11:30pm


keizo, trust me, I could get far nerdier but I've stayed out of the fluid mechanics discussions for that reason. Plus I don't deal with form drag very often so I wouldn't know what I'm talking about...

Thanks for the clarification on poking everyone, guess I'll have to work on speed. No waves though... :-(

Another question, my V1 (if it's fair to call it that) is a Wenonah Javelin which I think is also basically the Surfrigger. I pulled the rudder which was useless except for catching weeds and it's a far better boat without it. Anyone know of the differences between it and a true Tahitian V1? I haven't been up close and personal with a Tahitian boat and it's hard to compare from video and photos...


#36 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 5:48am


Anowara,

For the little experience I had, I would say that the bottom of the canoe makes all the difference.... The tahitians V1 has a sharp V bottom (specially from the seat to the back of the canoe), that helps the canoe to respond better... I'm not sure but that V must make a little bit of what a rudder is suppose to do.... 2 years ago, I was using a Hurricane for a Maliko run, and by half way the rudder felt off.... I tell you it was one of the most frustrating experiences I had on a canoe.... it kinda goes ok on the flat, but every single time a bump hit me I would spin all over.... it's so hard to control... 'cause the bottom is too flat.... the swell is stronger than you are....
Try to imagine a fishing canoe on the water, with a flat bottom and you try to spin it with your hands, it would go easily.... but try to spin a boat with a sharp V bottom, it would find resistance, and wouldn't spin as easily, right?!
That's the difference in between a canoe that you took the rudder off, and a tahitian V1. They are made with different purposes, so it works differently...

hope that helped....


#37 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 9:44am


Awesome Video!!
Tahitians..best paddlers in the World!!
Tahitian One mans, beautiful!!
Please add other superlatives here _____________

All I can say is put a rudder on it, then I will get one. Until then,

Screw the Rudderless!!!!

Jaws Out.


#38 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 10:48am


It's not about the tahitians been this or that.....

It's about knowing the art of control a canoe without a rudder...
... and how they make it seem so easy.


#39 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 10:58am


Yep I agree....they do it effortlessly....

Still...

Give me a rudder. Why waste time trying to figure out how to steer the damn thing. Put a rudder on it and hall a$$.

Jaws Out.


#40 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 11:14am


'cause for the little bit of time I put on a rudderless, it already made me a better paddler..... I'm stronger, it helped my technique, and helps you to read the ocean better.....

there's better canoes here if you want a rudder on it.... but if you want you can put a rudder on a V1 too! =)

Aloha.


#41 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 11:19am


...IwouldGo

I actually have two boats, a Kaku Elua (terrible with the rudder off, won't track at all) and the Wenonah which from what I can tell is shaped similarly to a V1. Long tapered tail with a bit of a keel line if you want to call it that. Lot's of volume in the front and again a bit of a keel line to help it track. There is a world of difference between it and the Elua without a rudder.

I was just curious if anyone had much experience with the design of V1s and had seen the Wenonah (PNWers I know there are a few up there) and explain the differences. All the photos and videos I've seen show the top and all the sponsor stickers, but as I think Bill Rosehill said, it's what's in the water that counts.

I think I'll just start saving for a Kamanu V1...


#42 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 2:01pm


Sorry... maybe I don't paddle long enough, but I never heard those names before.... and I'm not a boat builder or any kind of expert.... I'm just one more curious paddler.


#43 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 2:12pm


...IwouldGo

Thanks for explaining to people...
I understand the desire for a rudder.
I know the analogy doesn't fit exactly, but bikes go faster without training wheels... A rudderless paddler can get on an OC1 no problem.
an OC1 paddler... well... :)
That said, there is a purpose for the rudder and if I was rich i'd have both!!!
:)


#44 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 3:17pm


well said Tahitian Paddler...

I'm not rich, but I want to have both! =)


#45 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 3:49pm


I'm far from rich but do have both :-) Just got lucky finding used boats. Now if I could just find someplace to keep them for the winter...

...IwouldGo, I think the Elua is an older design from John Puakea. Mine is about 4-5 years old, and since I think elua means "two" I'm going to guess it predates the Kaimana. The Wenonah Javelin I just found a little info on from a Swedish site actually. I've attached a couple photos I found since I'm lazy and it's dark out. Thanks for explaining some of the design of the Tahitian V1, hopefully the pictures clarify a little what I was asking about.

As for the folks wondering why you should paddle without a rudder, it's a lot like asking someone why they ride a fixed gear bike, climb, or dance. You will never get a good answer until you try it, and you'll know pretty quickly whether it's for you or not. I think it's a blast and I agree it makes you a better paddler more in tune with your boat, the water, and your stroke...


#46 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 4:47pm


thanks for the pics, it does looks a lot like a V1.... but as you said we can see the bottom.... neither on my pics... I tried both canoes when I went on february, the yellow was better on surf.... but I don't even know who makes them...


#47 Fri, 09/26/2008 - 5:47pm


Hiro C ,
What is the weight (va'a only) of a V1 -- like the carbon laminate ones used by the top Super Aito paddlers in the clip shown.


#48 Sat, 09/27/2008 - 1:38pm


Some are 7 or 8 kg, but I don't know if it's hull weight or va'a+iato+ama... Will ask...


#49 Sat, 09/27/2008 - 5:42pm


7 or 8 Kg's !
Thanks...... does this mean that there is no longer a weight limit in Tahiti, and that kids now expect to be supplied with disposable V1's to stay competetive.


#50 Sat, 09/27/2008 - 7:04pm


I paddled a rudderless today for the first time. It was incredibly fun I thought. OC! is my love but I might have to get into the rudderless a bit more just for the cross training. It really fells like it will help my stroke on my oc1. Dont really know how to put my finger on it but it was a blast. It was different but same but not different like 6 man.


#51 Sat, 09/27/2008 - 11:38pm


Does anyone know who the artist of the first song is??


#52 Sat, 09/27/2008 - 11:59pm


The song's called "Africans" by Nneka.
Awesome.

p.s. I totally had to google it the other day...


#53 Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:09am


The officials rules state that there IS a weight limit, but in the facts the canoes are never weighted... Some top paddlers are given many canoes a year.
I have to pay for a canoe, so I don't look for extra-light, i look for durability... even if that means paddling something heavier.


#54 Sun, 09/28/2008 - 12:12pm


That is my point Hiro C... at 14 Kg, which is what I thought the Tahitian
weight limit was, the competition is level for all and the cost is
reasonable.

Manufacturing V1's at this weight (14Kg. or is it maybe even 16 Kg) is
feasible for a product based on an island economy, which is what Polynesian
canoes represent. But reducing the limit to as low as 7Kg will no doubt have
the effect of reducing V1 numbers available for younger paddlers.

SUP makes more and more sense as Va'a get lighter.


#55 Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:37pm


All the canoe shapers here offer various option. You can have the same V1 built extralight or regular weight. Of course, you won't pay the same price. In fact they don't sell a huge number of extralight weight. And when you buy one you are informed about the reduced durability of your va'a...
I also have a SUP board, and I can tell you that here, those boards are more expensive than a V1 ! Not even talking about the price of a SUP Paddle.


#56 Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:14pm


Thanks Natalini.


#57 Sun, 09/28/2008 - 8:44pm


va'a undet 10 kg dont perform well in wind and heavy surf...
they get blown around a lot.
If you've ever taken a very light va'a you'l find it does well in flat water sprints, but not in the ocean.


#58 Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:42pm


That's exactly what happened to me tahitian paddler... but Manutea doesn't seem to have problems with a liht canoe, whatever the weather.
BTW, is tahitian689 your cousin ?


#59 Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:07pm


"SUP more expensive than V1".... obviously applies to the basic V1 that is produced by your sustainable local manufacturing set up.
Over here imports from mass manufacturing plants{which are no doubt environmentally offensive, and also capitalise on cheap labour) are not loaded with import duties. So SUP equipment is cheaper than imported lightweight OC equipment from the same source. The SUP equipment is also likely to last longer when used in the surf, besides being better suited to this use.

We do have V1's here that have more hull volume than the average Tahitian V1, and thankfully a weight limit to suit this size of craft..... Like 'Tahitian Paddler ' says; super lightweight is not always good.
A solid, strong V1 for paddling and a stand-up board for surfing makes the most sense to me..... makes for affordable options to cover the important conditions.


#60 Mon, 09/29/2008 - 10:00am


hi every paddler
just for information the Te Aito 2008 vids going to be on you tube for the next weeck
hope you going to love this vids too.

va'a connection


#61 Wed, 10/08/2008 - 7:51am


can you provide a link or are you going to post it? I'd love to see this video!


#62 Wed, 10/08/2008 - 8:46am


i'll going to post on you tube for this friday 10 th

va'a connection


#63 Wed, 10/08/2008 - 10:13am


you can see on "you tube" the video of the Best te Aito 2008 now


#64 Wed, 10/08/2008 - 11:27pm


Thanks tahitian689! Great video!


#65 Thu, 10/09/2008 - 3:04am


Nice work,just as good as the first vid. Awesome finish. Chur!


#66 Thu, 10/09/2008 - 11:50am


Thanks, IWouldGo; that vid is stunning. Very well shot as it focused on one section/paddler at a time and let you see them sprint, relax, steer, connect, search, steer, relax, sprint, and connect again...all so fluidly. Can't say enough...but it's been already said by the rest here. Very cool.


#67 Thu, 10/09/2008 - 1:40pm


Totally awsome footage of a great race with excellent paddlers.
Thanks heaps for sharing.
Much appreciated


#68 Fri, 10/10/2008 - 12:09am


Aloha tahitiian paddler, checking if still got DVD's left if they came in already.
I've been watching Tahitian paddling vids and they're unreal paddlers. I learned V-1 allows you to be more in tune with the ocean and your fitness has to be up to par. Been studying Manutea's, Bruno, Georges, but more the younger guys, especially Taaroa.

Let me know if have the Super Aito available and if can get the Havaiki Nui footage also. Willing to pay reasonable price.

Sick vid Tahitian689.

A Hui Hou, Carlton

save la'au point.


#69 Fri, 10/10/2008 - 12:43am


Awesome video but I'm confused now. I read on this site that Tahitians can't surf and rudderless vaa can't be surfed in the open ocean. Must be some kind of conspiracy going on here.

Seriously though, this is really inspiring. I took out a rudderless last night and it completely changes your perspective on conditions most people would find boring on an oc1. So much to learn....


#70 Fri, 10/10/2008 - 10:03am


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