The 2009 Ocean Ohana Catalina challenge was a huge success, In these very tough economic times I can thank everyone that made it across the channel, over the pacific, or from other countries to race in the event. I had seriously considered canceling the event fearing too low a turnout for a successful race, The reality was that we had a record number of participant with 130 paddlers making up 46 teams. Kamanu Composited deserves a huge Mahalo for there support of the race and their team riders including Mael Carey and Tapa Worthington who made the trip as the only Hawaiian team to take on the relatively cold flat conditions. I say relative because as Mael and Tapa and a good majority of the field were freezing, The Canadians were sweating. Go figure they are still paddling through ice.
You could make the argument for a race title change, "Pueo Shootout" perhaps I have never seen a race so dominated by a brand, The pueo either established or set new records in set four divisoons, Open Men, Sr Master Men, Co-ed, and Jr boys.
Photos of the race will be uploaded April 1 at www.reachforthestars.smugmug.com
Thanks again to all racers, support vessels, and family. You all make this happen.
Cheers,
Chris O'Kieffe
Ocean Ohana
OPEN MEN Time
Danny Ching / Justin Banfield 4:48:22 Pueo Record
Mael Carey / Tapa Worthington 4:52:49 Pueo
Felix Rabanal / Mark Avina 5:14:24 Pueo
Alex Buffalini / Will Reichenstein 5:18:52 Pueo
Moses Ramler / Al Ching 5:56:58 Pueo
Master Men
Eric Starnes / Tim Dougherty 5:18:32 Pueo Sr record
Richard Grahm / Ross Flemer 5:21:00 Pueo
Bob Woodman / Scott Siemens 5:40:29 Hurricane
David Avila / Kenny Cabilis 6:10:15 Huki
3 person Men
Gary Webber / Aloistasio / Tom Morh 5:46:00 Fusion
Theron / Matt Muirhed / Dan Czech 5:47:39 Fusion
John Burke / Kevin McCauly / John Washer 5:48:22 Pueo
Open Women
Vicki Mills / Julie Wolf 6:04:18 Hurricane
Aimee Spector / Shein-Lu Stokesabry 6:04:39 Hurricane
Carthy Weinberg / Nohealani Hirahara 6:44:50 Hurricane
3 person Women
Kelle Lancaster / Lorie Vos / Laurie Parker 6:18:53 Hurricane
Kare Haereim / Mindy Clark / Margaret Gordan 6:57:53 Hurricane
OC-2 Men
Casey Owens / Charlie Banfield / James Vitale / Rich Long 5:04:12 Huki
Sam Couch / Ozzie Clarke / Jimmy Spotto / Mousley Palacias 5:31:13 Tiger 2
Terry Betts / Dennis Curran / Eric Smith / Daryl Brown 5:36:58 Huki
OC-2 Women
Lisa Wilson / Tanya Muhele / Lise Fernow / Katy Arnold 5:58:43 Huki
Debbie Dierkes / Cheryl Anderson / Junette McCarthy / Heather Picuelle 6:11:06 Huki
OC-2 Co-ed
Kelly Stevens / Nathan Talauega / Laurie Rubie / Chris Rubie 5:20:49 Huki
Willene Wong / Carrie Leung / Phil Gorsuch / Richard Coulthard 6:18:03 Stingray
Ken Altman / Connie Altman / Wayne Kocher / Ann Grove 5:47:26 Huki w/ Surfski paddle
OC-1 Coed
Molly Bishop / Ray Shipman 5:54:24 Pueo Record
OC-1 Co-ed 3 person
Suzanne White / Agnes Reginsky / Eric Lindberg 6:09:43 Hurricane
Surfski
Ryan Murphy / Sean Murphy 4:52:49 Fenn elite Record
Dana Adler / Chris Benoit 5:51:57 Fenn XT
SUP Unlimited
Byron Kurt / Chuck Paterson 6:32:13 Hobie 14
Brad Rambo / Tim Lawson / Branden Rambo 7:02:21 18
Curtis Yoder / Chad Andino / Matt Hoye 7:22:49 18'6"
Jay Longley / Ty Zulim / Pat myrons / Colin Mcphillips 7:27:30 18
TODD DRAKE / Richard Hoye / Brad Bierbaum 7:54:51
SUP Under 14
EJ Johnson / Briam Szymanski / Matt Friedman 7:18:18 NCP 12'6" Record
Debois / Debois / Roca 7:21:46 12'6
Ed Anderswon / Todd Strand / Brynan Salle 7:46:56 Bark 12'6"
Wally Emory / Scott Sanchez / Michael Didomenico 7:51:37 Hobie 12'6"
SUP Solo
Jared Vargas 7:52:34 record
SUP Women
Jodie Nelson / Brigett Saeman 8:52:21 Record
Dian Wenzal / Amanda Hartris Unknown Ohana 18'
Paddleboard
Mike Westmorland / Ben Wilkinson / Taylor Evans 7:15:16
Solo
Jeff DeAvila 6:27:28 Kaimana Record
Jr OC-1 3man
Cody Silvester / Greg Cornejo / Gerrett McCarty 6:27:28 Pueo Record
Jr OC-1 Girls
Bobbie Poppler / Pam Riggs / Taylor Kingsmill 6:57:27 Kaimana Record
Jr OC-2 Boys
Cory Fultes / Sean Bluminerentz / Bruce Schwath / Daniel Marales 6:14:53 Tiger Record
Submitted by OceanOhana on Mon, 03/30/2009 - 8:17am
Did you notice that all the OC1 records were set on Kamanu boats.
OPEN MEN Time
Danny Ching / Justin Banfield 4:48:22 !!!Pueo Record
Master Men
Eric Starnes / Tim Dougherty 5:18:32 !!!Pueo Sr record
OC-1 Coed
Molly Bishop / Ray Shipman 5:54:24 !!!Pueo Record
Solo
Jeff DeAvila 6:27:28 !!!Kaimana Record
Jr OC-1 3man
Cody Silverman / Greg Cornejo / Gerrett McCarty 6:27:28 !!!Pueo Record
Jr OC-1 Girls
Bobbie Poppler / Pam Riggs / Taylor Kingsmill 6:57:27 !!!Kaimana Record
#1 Mon, 03/30/2009 - 7:13pm
Damn TPop, Gotta rub it in don't ya, I did mention that in my original post, But you just gotta make sure everyone sees that the Pueo is the best. So much for "it's the engine" right, give all the credit to the boat not the awesome paddling.. :-)
#2 Tue, 03/31/2009 - 2:53am
Is the Pueo the reason you are going out of business ?
http://web.mac.com/chrisok/iWeb/Ocean%20Ohana/Welcome.html
#3 Tue, 03/31/2009 - 9:32am
That's about the rudest comment I can imagine.
I don't know why Chris is leaving California and trying to sell Ocean Ohana. But I do know that he'll be missed. I've done a fair amount of business with Ocean Ohana and was always satisfied. Even when Chris had problems with his suppliers, he always, "made it right," by his customers. If you bought a canoe that was flawed from whatever factory (I'm specifically thinking about a certain Canadian venture, but there were others), you might have some experience with that kind of thing yourself. But if you bought your canoe from Chris, you had no worries.
I can't imagine how much THAT cost Chris.
Whether the Pueo is the greatest canoe of all time or not is probably irrelevant to Ocean Ohana. As yet, no one's shipping containers full of Pueos to the mainland. And no one's fronting the cash to buy any Pueo inventory so that paddlers can just buy whatever they want whenever they want it.
In any case, I hope you don't have to read the kind of public commentary you're writing if you're ever subject to a layoff or some other downturn in whatever it is you do to feed your family.
#4 Tue, 03/31/2009 - 5:22pm
I agree with oishidesneh, what a rude comment. Chris has never been anything but up front with his business and goes out of the way to accomodate his customers. Chris is an outstanding person and a friend to all paddlers.
#5 Tue, 03/31/2009 - 10:42am
Preface: there are some amazing people posting amazing thigns on this site...
AND>>>
thanks for sticking up for people.
I don't know chris and I never posted before
The Pueo is a great boat.
It has a revolutionary ama but the canoe itself is not revolutionary.
There is no way from ONE test run if you could tell that the canoe surfs better, worse, glides better worse etc...
People do weeks of scientific and anecdotal testing to detect differences in hull designs and how the infinite variation of the ocean play upon those boat not to mention the infinite variations of paddlers' technique, weight, etc...
The Pueo is one of the fastest boats on the water today. There will be better, probably out done by Kamanu themselves.
But who can take comments seriously on this site when Fuze is blatantly rude and puts his foot in his mouth every other day, 99% of everyone else is kissing Kamanu's asses.
Just wait till the next canoe comes out and people are obsessed with that.
I've been paddling 25 years.
T-tops, double bend, banana amas, malias, force 5, rockets, bradleys, mirages, OC1's carbon fiber, quickstraps.
lanikai on top.... do any of you even remember when Lanikai wasn't even on the radar and Hui Nalu and Outrigger were battling for regattas??? When kailua and even Healani were more dominant that Lanikai...
Things change.
this is my first, only and last post.
Thanks to everyone who posts honest questions, inquiries, and information.
I look forward to reading your posts.
#6 Tue, 03/31/2009 - 11:02am
Good luck to you Chris in whatever career you choose to replace the canoe selling! Hopefully, you'll still be able to do the Catalina race, which is a superb event by all accounts. In this crappy economy, we don't wish misfortune like that on even our worst enemies, much less our braddahs in the outrigger world.
#7 Tue, 03/31/2009 - 11:03am
On first read it does seem a very inappropriate comment onnopaddle made and it surprised me. But I'm willing to ask for a "please explain" as I'm 100% sure he never meant it to read that way. I'm guessing it was a quick post without thinking and we have all done that.
Of his 228 previous posts, there is no rudeness or animosity shown towards anyone, let alone another person also in the business of canoe sales etc. So how about it Pog, can you make amends here? Both you and Ocean Ohana are valuable contributors to this site and outrigger canoeing, so this needs to be cleared up pronto.
All the best for the future Ocean Ohana
Cheers Rambo
#8 Tue, 03/31/2009 - 5:52pm
Just to add, Chris and Ocean Ohana have always been 100% awesome to me, I have bought a couple of canoes and paddles from him and he has always been AWESOME,
thanks Chris!! I know you moved East for the Family, you did the right thing. I am following my wife as well, its the right thing to do!!
Best
Ted
#9 Tue, 03/31/2009 - 7:55pm
load up a race with the strongest paddlers on a particular good boat and of course you'll see that canoe finish at the top. Good old Fuzerider showed how it was done up in Maine. It was once that way many moons ago with the Mantra. I would sure give more credit to the paddlers' ability, not the canoe. Wait to see what happens at the PAA Molo Solo or what happened at the PAA 2 day race-some of these older guys with jobs and family did very well. But as the best paddlers always say with regard to the MoloSolo, it can be anyones day as the Channel calls the shots.
And Chris OKeefe- hats off to you for organizing the race and making the nice comment up front about" the Shootout." Paddlers need to understand all the hard work and expense it takes to put on an event. I'd love to see some of these frequent posters do some of the real work that makes this sport happen. Good luck Chris on the East Coast- family comes first! When paddlers put paddling ahead of family (for what?!) they are the ones missing out.
#10 Tue, 03/31/2009 - 10:08pm
First off I want to thank those that have said some very nice things.
Second, There is a big difference between Selling a business, and going out of business. Ocean Ohana is not closing and until a buyer is found will run as usual.
Third, Does the Pueo effect my sales? Of course it does, The boat is the "hot" boat for now, I will add however that for every paddler that "needs" the flavor of the week, There are four that don't. I have said in the past there is room in this sport for the high end custom USA built boats. However unless you want to go back to waiting 8-12 months for your canoes and not allowing the sport to grow, We need overseas building.
Fourth, Rambo I need to correct you on on point, In my previous 227 post I had no rudeness or animosity, I had a little fit with Fuze once.
Lastly, I too would like to know why Onno has it out for me, All I can think of is once failed to respond to an email, I confronted him privately on a post he made bashing one of his competitors, and lastly when he was renting a house from a friend I gave him a very good recommendation.
#11 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 2:10am
Chris you have only 105 posts, i was referring to Onnopaddle's 228 posts.
Anyway i'll leave you two to sort it out, not for me to judge.
Again, all the best and thanks for your past goodness.
Cheers Rambo
#12 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 2:30am
First post, and first Catalina to Dana Point Challenge: Like Rambo, I'm thinking the comment was, yes, posted in haste and shouldn't be taken as a post to put anyone down. I had a chance to race this outstanding event this last weekend and have put it on my calendar for next year. Chris greeted us on the pier in Avalon the day before the race. He explained where the registration was and what to expect for the race. He was, in my opinion, going out of his way to make us feel at home. He even let us know that if he is around to come early to register. That said, I hope this race continues because we had a ball: Mike and Carol, escort boat teammates, were outstanding the way they brought us over to the Island on Thursday, followed us from the Isthmus to Avalon on Friday, helped us with leaning the exchanges on Saturday, and just making our race experience a memorable one. I wish only the best for Chris, and I think whatever he chooses to do, he'll do it well. And for those who had a chance to marvel at the Danny-Justin train as it went by, you understand--WOW! And Dad's tandem wasn't too shabby either--WOW again!
teamalty
#13 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 3:16am
did any one notice that there was really no other teams on other boats to compete against the pueo? wats the ratio of a pueo to another boat in california?
#14 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 7:41am
7:1
#15 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 8:32am
dang guys ...
Its not a 'statement', its a question that begs an answer.
Oceanohana, I believe you have your facts wrong ... I have rented a total of one house up there for almost 20 years and I knew the owner personally. If you knew her as well I apologize in advance. Went from holding the kids hands to cross the street to watching then got to college.
Here is the thread where I am accused of "bashing" that got me a petty, acusitory private email from Oceanohana calling me a hypocrite.
http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/3547
I would venture your responses in these two are better examples of what you are talking about.
http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/4247 chris
http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/4237
Hard work is just that and best suffered without complaint if you choose to be self employed.
pog
#16 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 9:27am
unbelievable...
#17 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 9:49am
Onno there is no question to answer, Ocean Ohana is not going out of business, never was. I moved to Maryland for family and have chosen to sell Ocean Ohana.
Some here may find it hard to believe, but there are paddlers that don't race. Trying to take race results and using them to determine a ratio of boats on the street just doesn't work, Pueo is the hot boat right now, and is dominating the race seen in Hawaii and California, How about Pacific North west, East coast, Canada, Australia, Europe, South America. Outrigger Connection and Hurricane are still the dominate brands in these areas, Always will due to overall output of there factories.
As for the the threads, In the first one you stated to ONLY support true outrigger companies and bashing Werner paddles. I chose to discuss the matter privately with you rather air it publicly, It as obvious from out discussion that you have bad blood with Werner and I dropped it.
As for the other two threads I stand behind what I said, Fuze I know for a fact he has done Outrigger Connection as well as all their dealers harm in how he has conducted himself on this forum, My only mistake in that thread was making it it's own thread, I should have put it at the end of the thread that he aired his laundry with a customer and calling him an asshole. Or anyone of the countless threads he has posted.
I the second thread I stated that the Hypr boat being discussed was a piece of %^$#. I also stand behind what I said, I had paddled that exact boat, about a year before it broke in two pieces in mild conditions, The owners had spent hours trying to get it to rig properly, and it had a seat made of two squares of neoprene sewn together and stuffed with some sort of padding, This specific boat was crap, and nearly killed someone. If that is what you stand behind that is up to you, I have seen your work and find that hard to believe.
Last issue was the rent, I could have sworn that a friend of mine said you were going to rent a house from him on the big island, weather or not you ever did I don't know. If this was not true than I may have gotten you mixed up with some other red head named patrick.
I am sorry that my posting of race results has turned into a "he said, she said" childish fight. I am not sure how it happened, It seems that whenever someone has a beef with someone else they take any, and I mean "ANY" chance they can. Give me a break Patrick, you took race results and turned it into an attack, Oh and thanks for taking the time to check out my site to know that I was selling.
#18 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 11:16am
Do Werners really suck? Never tried one. It seems like a cool company, a family run operation headquartered on the banks of the mighty Skykomish in rural Warshington. http://www.wernerpaddles.com/about_us/werner_story/
#19 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 12:10pm
#20 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 3:21pm
As one who isn't on this too often, I am just curious as hell as to whom is behind all the code names?
#21 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 5:43pm
Fear of
identity theft
psycho on the door step
X girl friend or such
creditor's
salesmen sniffing around
#22 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 6:43pm
I guess if one isn't paddling they're developing code names, or they are bashing perfectly good paddles, or putting down good people. From outstanding paddlers turning in outstanding results, we end up in a ditch. The Relay Challenge is a race where paddlers, escort crews and equipment come together for something very special. The paddlers who do this feel a special bond, and I'm not sure the continued negative talk does any good. One boat should not be singled out as "The Highlight" of the event. Huki was well represented as well as Hurricane and Tiger. We all agree, I hope, that no matter what we paddle, it's fun to be paddling. Spread the word.
See on the water,
#23 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 6:45pm
Wow Chris seams that someone on here doesn't like you to much.
On a side note I wish I had, had the money to fly back to do the race. When I first started one man paddling (in Cali) Catalina was the biggest race I could think of doing. It might not have the big water feel of Molo, but if you have ever done that race you know your not going to walk away saying it was a walk in the park. Hard race but good fun.
So, Chris, if I ever make it out to the east coast to race, do I have a place to crash?
#24 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 10:41pm
Yep, unbelieveable alright.
Below is cut and pasted directly from my reply to Oceanohana on above 'werner ' thread where I got a whiney email from Oceanohana calling me a hipocrite for talking down about Werner ... Where is the bashing in "Support your local builder ? He calls me this based on, for lack of a better word, a guess as to what my backround in paddle building is, then never replys to my response. Still waiting for that ....
I feel below is still valid to use in this thread. Read it ( or into it : ) however you want. The second paragraph is almost word for word what I opine when people ask me how my paddles compare to Werner. I invite on-the-water comparison anytime. This is not a 'sales' technique, rather a humble, honest opinion to open discussion on the pros and cons of various paddles ... If something I make does not dovetale into their needs, I will be the first to tell them and recommend something else which is usually Werner for their nice ergo shaft or Aquabound for quality and performance @ a price to fit their budget..
The point of all this is to show how things actually work with myself and what can go wrong with simple misinterpretation and knee jerk reaction. This thread alone today pretty much speaks for itself in that respect.
http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/3547
Apologies if you read "hate" into my post .... not intended.
Werner is a giant in the industry AND industry standard for construction. I do feel my designs are better on the water and certainly more progressive as Werner tends to just stick with the same thing year after year. If they ever wanted to call me I could help them ... really ! I know, not gonna happen. I have nothing against them. I wish I WAS Werner ... LOL.
There are lots of 'little' guys like me down here making great stuff as dedicated-to-the-sport craftsmen and I like to see them get preference. These guys could all go build houses or cabinets or something and make a TON more money but they choose a different path and we all benefit from their sacrifices. I'm holding the line for more than just me on this one.
Chris, it would be nice to make some money someday on this stuff but I will never compromise my integrity to put out junk.
This is what I am seeing a LOT of now .... if there is one thing that drives me nuts ... its all the funky stuff coming out for stand up now. I know you see this ... some of them are exact copys of the ZRE for example, others are just someones concept of what is right and its being sold under a popularly branded name. I feel bad for the poor folks buying this stuff who have never even tried something good. Hopefully, just like the surf,skate,snowboard markets etc... all the junk will get filtered out and only the right core stuff will remain. I have looked into going to China, Thailand, SA and have had many different paddles in my hands from these giant places. I have been to Cobra Thailand 3X now to see what they can do. No problem to get stuff made but they want to build around production first, design secondary. So back to top of paragraph. yep, I could get a thousand of them but they are just not as good .... I guess that is why I still rent a house instead of own.
We DO have 3 acres down here if you ever wanted to come down. Its up in the rain forest.
We are working on something new right now. Its looking A N D working great. We could stop right now and start 'selling' it but instead we are refining it day after day on the water to get the best out of it.
Aloha,
pat
present:
So THAT is how I feel and apologies for getting sucked into the muck on this from a simple question. .. Now back to the high road.
#25 Wed, 04/01/2009 - 11:58pm
O...K... when I can get a free weekend to read that extensively Long post I will return with a witty comeback...
#26 Thu, 04/02/2009 - 4:12pm
So now your saying you make paddles too?
#27 Thu, 04/02/2009 - 7:25pm
Proposed new rule for this forum:
If you are going to bash someone, it would be helpful if you could string some coherent sentences together. Poor spelling and grammar only reinforce what a lot of people already think about you.
It's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are dumb than open your mouth and confirm their suspicions.
#28 Thu, 04/02/2009 - 8:20pm
words to live by
#29 Thu, 04/02/2009 - 9:06pm
here here
#30 Thu, 04/02/2009 - 9:08pm
Good luck to you Chris in whatever career you choose to replace the canoe selling!
#31 Tue, 09/01/2009 - 12:43am
I`m hireing a forklift truck driver to help keep my outrigger canoe warehouse neat and organised.
#32 Thu, 05/14/2009 - 2:21am
yep, the forum has been a bit boring lately. Must be a cold front coming thru Maine. LAst 2 days in Hawaii have seen some great weather and some good bumps-good not great surfing. Let's hope for wind for the Olu Kai event here on Maui - all the races lately have been a drag.
#33 Thu, 05/14/2009 - 8:44pm
Scott Wu .. how is everything?
I think that actual saying is:
“It is better to be thought of as a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt”
#34 Sun, 05/17/2009 - 11:31am
Best of luck to Chris...
#35 Tue, 07/07/2009 - 4:41pm
Chris - mahalo for posting those pictures
I just noticed these guys were using kayak blades on an OC-2...
#36 Tue, 07/07/2009 - 9:59pm
Just checkin in & curious .... does this mean that our (Garrels/Garrels/Bialek) ol' record still stands for Coed Open 3 person 5:24:12 in '99? (http://www.socaloutrigger.org/RaceResults/Catalina%20Crossing%20Results%...)
#37 Mon, 08/10/2009 - 4:29pm
Sorry Da Garrels, but Stevens/Talauega/Rubie posted a 5:20:49 this year--but your time was excellent. The team in the picture was called Team 262. The combined ages of the four paddlers. The other two paddlers used canoe paddles, and the time was 5:47:26.
#38 Mon, 08/10/2009 - 6:31pm
New record was set with 4 paddlers, our record was set with 3, so we're still good for a 3 paddler record. Mahalos.
#39 Tue, 08/11/2009 - 3:54am
I believe most, if not all, outrigger governing bodies outlaw the use of double bladed paddles as unfair competition, likely the reason Altman's team 262 was relegated to third place in their division, when their time would indicate a second place finish. With that in mind, could they, with their double bladed paddles, enter their OC2 in the double surf ski division, or do the rules preclude this as well? It would seem to be splitting hairs were the ama to preclude entry in the surf ski division, if say a Huki tandem surf ski with a wing were allowed? Seems like a tough call?
#40 Tue, 08/11/2009 - 8:17am
If you're using a kayak paddle, you're kayaking. If you're using a canoe paddle, you're canoeing. The boats we use for either (any) discipline have been purpose built to suit the advantages/benefits of whichever type of paddle we use.
If you paddle an outrigger canoe with a double-bladed paddle, you're just slowing yourself down. Your competition isn't the other canoes out there.
If you're trying to paddle against outriggers with a wing-blade, you're cheating. Learn to paddle a surfski, or switch to a canoe paddle.
#41 Tue, 08/11/2009 - 8:49am
well said goto
#42 Tue, 08/11/2009 - 8:54am
"If you’re trying to paddle against outriggers with a wing-blade, you’re cheating. Learn to paddle a surfski, or switch to a canoe paddle."
OR recognize that you don't qualify for either division and just get out there. There's an older age-group guy that paddles his OC1 with a double paddle when he's having back problems. He says it allows him to get out there with minimal to no pain. Good for him. Get's him out on the ocean. So long as he's not eligible for awards/ records/ etc., what harm does it do. Unless of course there's a bunch of other age group guys out there on OC1s using wing-blades... then they can form their own division.
#43 Tue, 08/11/2009 - 9:22am
Let me add to my post:
...regarding competition and/or racing.
If you're just out paddling, just paddle. Use a 2x4 on an inflatable raft for all I care. You can even paddle on a race course with real competitors if you like. But don't think that crossing the line before someone else means that you really beat them... unless, as SIX as ONE points out, you are racing a bunch of other people paddling their Zodiacs with a piece of lumber too.
#44 Tue, 08/11/2009 - 9:50am
Team Altman was given 3rd in the division because there was nowhere else to put them, OC with a Kayak paddle is not a division. Wayne and Anne have been doing the race for many years, In the past their OC times had become pretty slow, The Kayak paddle makes them pretty competitive. All they want to do is race and cross the channel, When you are 70+ years old They are just happy to be out there racing, And I am happy to have them in the race.
I don't agree with GOTO's statement "If you’re trying to paddle against outriggers with a wing-blade, you’re cheating. Learn to paddle a surfski, or switch to a canoe paddle." Who cares what boat they are paddling with and what type of paddle. They are not cheating because they are very aware that they are not being considered for all the prize money we offer.
As for the statement "With that in mind, could they, with their double bladed paddles, enter their OC2 in the double surf ski division, or do the rules preclude this as well?" They would not be considered for the Surfski division, This is based on accepted definitions of the boats.
My guess is that if you asked a surfski paddler if it is fair if someone races a ski with the wing, He would say no, And I would agree, The wing could give an unfair advantage, An example would be extreemly rough water that even top paddlers have a tough time, a wing paddle could allow a novice paddler win.
The wing as well as the safety ama I put on a boat once can be a great tool for paddlers, we should not put anyone down for paddling however they want.
Last comment on this is the OC-2 mixed records, the 1999 record for (Garrels/Garrels/Bialek) 5:24:12 still stands as the 3 person team record, The 4 person team record is Stevens/Talauega/Rubie posted a 5:20:49
#45 Tue, 08/11/2009 - 1:50pm
Just for the record, let it be known that Goto was taking it to Kai and Danny in the channel in a rowboat a couple years ago. I have a picture to prove it. However, since there was no rowboat division he was not counted in the results. Those of us who were out there that day know who the real champion was though.
#46 Tue, 08/11/2009 - 2:08pm
Too bad goto wasn`t using a wing in that rowboat, probably would have gone a little better....
#47 Wed, 08/12/2009 - 2:09am
That's why losing that day hurt so bad - I WAS using a wing...
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