Poly V1 in JPN

Not a high-tech, super-light machine.
But fun enough and glowing here.

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Submitted by TAIKI on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 3:15am



So, what does it cost, how much does it weigh, etc.?


#1 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 5:09am


From a previous post the OP said it weighs just under 40 pounds. Not sure of the cost.

http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/2487

http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/2018


#2 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 5:57am


(in the photo) the guy in the back ground has his ama on the right, while the guy in the fore ground has his ama on the left...?


#3 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 9:32am


With the iako setup, it looks like you could effectively create a double hull.


#4 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 9:34am


Why is this rotomoulded sit-on being promoted as a V1 and not a Hawaiian OC............it will be hopeless paddled rudderless.
A V1 obviously needs to have good rudderless performance, and it does does not even have any rigging for decent set-up and adjustment of iato/ama that characterises an OUTRIGGER.

This plastic creation is definitely not a V1


#5 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 10:18am


Yeah, screw that red thing! It's not even a real boat! goodwaka owns the copyright and trademark on "V1" and TAIKI is ruining his business! Forget about language differences, and helping out those who are excited about paddling understand the differences! Now let's all jump in and start insulting that Japanese monstrosity!


#6 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 11:04am


we shouldn't hate. this boat has its purposes. paddlers spend so much effort trying to baby their boat and not scratch or ding their precious. Imagine having this boat and being able to F it all and bomb this thing everywhere. You guys might hate but if I had this boat I guarantee you I would be having a damn good time with it.


#7 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 12:11pm


I reckon we'd ALL have fun on them!

Good on you, Taiki! Bansai!


#8 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 2:21pm


dumbwaka; you can't be beat when it comes to badmouthing..... your words 'screw the red thing " etc. etc

Who's hating the thing??

I'f you want to have fun on a cheap plastic toy, then a board cant be beat..... get a long paddle and have some fun.

Let's hear from some Tahitians (the actual owners of V1) what they think about cheap immitations of the real thing


#9 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 2:42pm


I wish we had rotomoulded V1s. They could be used for teaching in schools and would be less expensive and more robust than fiberglass/polyester...
What I see here is a great toy, I would be surfing reef breaks with this without being afraid to break an expensive boat, anyway, I won't call this a V1.

I've been thinking about how cool it would be since I saw this rotomoulded surfski http://www.spiritpaddle.com.au/content.asp?cId=3&pId=6


#10 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 3:01pm


lol goodwaka. You are so ignorant, it's hilarious. You badmouth every single thing that you don't manufacture and/or sell with your condescending attitude. Nothing is as fun, or as fast as what you deem worthy. Even in this thread, right or wrong, you fail to be helpful or productive like Hiro C. And your hubris in thinking that anyone would agree with you: "Let’s hear from some Tahitians (the actual owners of V1) what they think about cheap immitations (sic) of the real thing."

So first of all, learn to spell. Next, try an attitude adjustment.

I'm surprised you haven't had your ass beat to a pulp multiple times in your life already to teach you a lesson.

Maybe in person you don't come off as such an ass-licker... but I doubt it.


#11 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 3:26pm


that thing would be super fun to surf. how much do they cost? how much do they weigh?


#12 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 3:47pm


dumbwaka; OK, so you don't like your own birthname and masquarade here using various alias/titles. You think that your attitude is cool, and feel encouraged that there are some people here to back you up...........but you suck.

If your word does carry any weight here, then this site is worthless and not worth the time of day.........I'll happily ignore you from now on... adios.


#13 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 3:54pm


wow, they're actually relatively cheap... from their web site 149,000 yen or about 1,507.43 U.S. dollars.


#14 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 4:07pm


Hiro: guess that you aren't the only Tahitian who won't call this SOT a V1.......looks way too short to have any tracking ability.
An actual V1 could be fun in the surf.... rotomoulded, but with an outrigger, not just screwed on pipes.

A short while back i went paddling with others on V1's, a V2 and a SOT OC........one smallish wave was all it took to nearly destroy the SOT. The thing actually had a name that means 'big water' ,


#15 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 4:14pm


Who cares about people to "back you up"? You?

This thread was TAIKI's to show off, and discuss his rotomolded "V1", (or OC1, or what ever you want to call it.) And just as usual, you butt your nose in like the same pompous a$$hole you always are. All you ever do is put everyone else's stuff down.

Ha! You think Hiro C. is on your side? He's actually nice to people, something that you probably don't know how to do unless you think you can turn a profit from them.

If this site is worthless, then it's only because of you.

MR


#16 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 4:19pm


No this site is not worthless. In fact it's actually much fun to read those messages... while drinking a beer it's even funnier !


#17 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 4:42pm


was waiting for my OC1 to arrive, and trained on the daiki for a few months. The boat weighs a lot more than a high tech carbon oc1, pretty fun in moderate surf. The extra weight was good physical training though, once my oc1 got here it felt super light. May be good for someone who is just starting oc1. Shouldn't buy a brand new surfboard if your just starting out, maybe the same goes for oc1's. not a used boat but pretty affordable.


#18 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 5:02pm


You won't win the Molo with that canoe, but they look like they're having fun... and that's what paddling should be, FUN. If you don't get pleasure from paddling, then you should stop.


#19 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 5:22pm


different strokes for different folkes......fun can be all sorts.

Funnest part of that promo movie is when the horizon turns 360 and the OC is paddling upside down.... defying gravity.

Now , if there was a way to put some rigging on that craft.... like lash some sturdy grown iato onto that SOT, then maybe it could feature in some interesting wave riding.....show some footage of Makaha surfing maybe.


#20 Tue, 04/14/2009 - 5:40pm


There's a rudder... seems like the v1 or not argument is kind of irrelevant.


#21 Wed, 04/15/2009 - 7:46am


I really like Google's translation: "AUTORIGAKANU".

But let's face it - heavy, stubby, no iako adjustment notwithstanding - if several of us showed up on these, there'd be a race! And a lot of laughs!


#22 Wed, 04/15/2009 - 12:32pm


Brilliant! I say.
Hey fore-sure there could be some adjustments made to refine design and performance. But what a great way to get kids into the sport. I know i don't want my canoe being trashed by my little guys.
And yeah, I wouldn't mine dropping some beach breaks on one. Just bend the crossbars straight afterwards. Ha, heaps of fun.

And like hawaiikaipaddlah referred to. No rudder, plus cockpit = V1. rudder, plus sit on top = OC1.
Downhill verses Cross-country Mountain bike. Still both MTB just different performance. You can still race both in both conditions they just do what they are designed for more efficiently.

And Go Good/Dumbwaka. Lets get a separate thread for that hate!


#23 Wed, 04/15/2009 - 3:25pm


Like I said ' why is this SOT being called a V1......etc

There is no hatred for what is basically a kids toy, the hating starts with the fart who calls himself dumbwaka, and believe me his attitude problem lies a lot deeper than a reaction to messages here on OC paddler.
He knows a lot more about me than any supposedly offended Hawaiian OC paddler could ever know from reading the technical stuff published on the web.


#24 Wed, 04/15/2009 - 4:53pm


I dont think this thing is meant to replace anything nor is it meant to imitate a v1. There is very little in regards to inexpensive, easy to handle, somewhat throw away canoes on the market. This is perfect for kids or rentals just to get out and have a feel of outrigger paddling. Could help some people get started if their into it and help others see it may not be worth the investment of a "real" canoe or v1...for them at least. Plus id rather hit shore break with this than my $4000 baby.

ps - OCP is the shit. There is NO other source of info on the net or in print like it. Although I do wish the search function worked!


#25 Wed, 04/15/2009 - 9:12pm


goodwaka
im sure dumbwaka is giving you a hard time 1 because you shut down someone that probably dosent even speak english, and 2 who cares what he wants to call it. if i wanted to call a car a machine i wouldnt want someone getting all mad at me and saying that a car is a car, and a tractor or a tablesaw was a machine. dosent make the car anything else

in the end that guy was just trying to share the stoke and fun of paddling with us, and you met him with a little bit of bitterness.
thats why dumbwaka always picks on you


#26 Wed, 04/15/2009 - 11:56pm


Got to agree, who cares what its called. I'd like to see the price drop a bit to around $1,000. At $1,500 you're getting up to the price of a used canoe (slightly rough shape)


#27 Thu, 04/16/2009 - 7:03am


Yeah if that is $1500 US, then they are making a killing. Roto-mold is cheap and quick. Even $1000 and they are coming out sweet.

A thinker thicker crossbars and a better connection could be worth while. They'd be good for flat water, but i'd suspect them to fail with some decent wave action.

Do they race as a class over there? or is it manly for a bit of fun?


#28 Thu, 04/16/2009 - 3:12pm


tnhale: your take on the dumwaka crap is about as wise as your take on shark feeding habits where chumming is concerned.

Nowhere did I put down the retailing of a rotomoulded SOT OC, except to say that it's rudderless performance will be hopeless. In the light of which the marketing use of the term va a or V1 borders on BS hype......... your territory, it seems


#29 Thu, 04/16/2009 - 6:22pm


wow, just... wow.

i get what you're saying mr hale.


#30 Thu, 04/16/2009 - 7:58pm


Yeah, screw that red thing! It’s not even a real boat! goodwaka owns the copyright and trademark on “V1” and TAIKI is ruining his business! Forget about language differences, and helping out those who are excited about paddling understand the differences! Now let’s all jump in and start insulting that Japanese monstrosity!

Funny. keep up the good work goodwaka, you too dumbwaka


#31 Thu, 04/16/2009 - 8:34pm



#32 Fri, 04/17/2009 - 6:45am


goodwaka its doesn't matter if he calls it a V1 or an OC. They are the same thing. Canoes that get paddled.

The SOT V1 looks sweet. I can see those things replacing plastic yellow kayaks everywhere.


#33 Fri, 04/17/2009 - 7:18am


This site has had a few dickheads post to it before, (myself included) but goodwaka takes the cake. Even Kanoeman was at least funny.

Seriously dude, you're just trash.


#34 Fri, 04/17/2009 - 8:59am


That's exactly what I've been trying to say.


#35 Fri, 04/17/2009 - 9:05am


At least now I know what a V1 looks like. Thank Taiki! I wondered what Goodwaka was always raving about.

I like the daiki V1's look of durability. After you're done paddling, you could stack 3 or 4 kids on it and tow it behind a ski-boat for fun. Or bust out the Zebco and go fishing. Then throw it in the back of your truck, unwashed and fully-rigged. Durable plastic V1s RULE.


#36 Fri, 04/17/2009 - 10:18am


I love the soundtrack on that video! Listen to the words... aloha, ohana, e komo mai... Hilarious how they are strung together. Reminds me of the Japanese-made t-shirts with English sayings on them. Good example of what rough translations will give you. No wonder the original poster might not know the difference between V1 and OC1. Give the guy a break and pay attention to the content.

Looks like a great craft that can find its own niche, no matter what you call it.


#37 Fri, 04/17/2009 - 12:06pm


as soon as i started watching the video my wife turned around and said, "why are you watching lilo and stitch?" Guess it must have been from that soundtrack. so i guess it was a disney translation?


#38 Fri, 04/17/2009 - 3:14pm


Here is the original V1 and it's not rudderless.


#39 Sat, 04/18/2009 - 8:08am


Von Braun Canoes ?
I heard they also made a V2, but no V6...


#40 Sat, 04/18/2009 - 11:12am


Dumbwaka support group has spoken clearly………….apparently the previously recognized difference between V1 and OC 1 has no relevance -- If something floats and has an ama attached somehow, even without any rigging, then it’s one and the same thing as any other ‘outrigger canoe’.

Sounds like you guys are the ones to help get surfskis accepted in the outrigger class, by fitting them with miniature pipe assemblages (resembling flying outriggers) stuck onto their decks.

The accusation that I am so ‘dumb’ that I don’t see it your way actually gives a good feeling………….. no point in even posting here anymore.


#41 Sat, 04/18/2009 - 12:05pm


k

im up for a race in a taiki. i think its an awesome concept to get kids and beginners into v1, w1, oc1.

the approach to criticise a new invention is a negative ego-trip. i saw some rotor moulding on a kayak a while back but the canoe had to be a minimum length to fit in the moulding machine. give me the taiki over a pueo anyday... ha ha!


#42 Sun, 04/19/2009 - 9:45am


uhh


#43 Sun, 04/19/2009 - 1:19pm


Two great things came out of this thread. We got to see a fun entry level V1. And goodwaka is gone.

Awesome.


#44 Sun, 04/19/2009 - 6:04pm


Oh boy team tagging Goodwaka...

Anyways I bought a roto moulded surfski.
It looked like the real thing but it was a log. Far too heavy to surf in. I was looking forward to getting amongst the rough stuff but it was too heavy and not responsive.
These OC1's do look a lot lighter and it may well start a recreation market. That has to be a good thing.

Come back goodwaka:-)


#45 Tue, 04/21/2009 - 10:26pm


Just looked at the Vid, does not appear to have much room at front for a good reach when on ama side. May need a little tweaking?


#46 Tue, 04/21/2009 - 10:31pm


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