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Need to rent, demo or borrow an OC1 while on the Big Island

I am coming to the Big Island in early March and would like to try canoeing in the ocean. I live near the Great Lakes and have spent the past summer cruising them in my Outrigger Connection Stingray.

If you know where I might get ahold of a canoe for a day or two please let me know.

Thanks

OC-6 foot grip texture-- what is best?

What is everyone leanig toward putting inside in the foot area of fiberglass OC-6s for a little traction...
1. surf wax gets too gritty
2.  truck bed liner too abrasive  and washed out

I am thinking about two part epoxy with some texture and pigment mixed in then applied by brush to masked areas where feet go most often..
Please help before the garage is full of failed experiments.....and the wallet is empty....

Mahalo

Paddle Width

I'm relatively new to paddling and I paddle both outrigger and marathon boats. Most marathon paddlers use a blade width around 8 1/4" and I've noticed that outrigger paddlers use blades exceeding 9" in most cases. I'm curious if anyone out there has some insight into the advantages of using such large blade widths for OC-1. Might be a dumb question but I thought I would ask it anyway.

Catastrophic failures and other related issues

There's been some discussion on equipment failures in the other posts which brought to mind a bunch of questions that I've always wanted to ask other paddlers.

First, has anyone suffered some type of equipment failure or catastrophic failre while out in the open ocean?

Second if you did suffer some sort of failure, were you able to muster up a temporary fix to get back to shore?

Third, if so, what was the fix?

Fourth, does anybody carry safety equipment with them?

When I first started paddling, I looked into inflatable life preservers, flares, whistles, epirbs, marine radios, gps, extra paddles, cables and even swimming goggles but then quickly began to realize that all this stuff not only cost money, but also weighs the boat down by a considerable amount. Most of the other guys i paddle with never bring any of this stuff with them because it simply slows them down. If anything, they bring their slippers. I have yet to see news headlines which says, "Paddler Miraculously Saved by Rubber Zori" so I continue to carry a marine radio, gps, plastic whistle and string with me in my dry bag when I paddle. My thought has always been that the benefit still outweighs the weight gain. Sometimes if I go by myself, I'll bring an extra blade just in case I either lose the one I'm paddling with (as I did in some surf) or it breaks. This happened once to friend of mine during a Hawaii Kai run. Luckily, I decided to cruise that day and go trolling with a pole that was fixed to my iako with a PVC pipe and some bicycle tubing. We managed to jury-rig a PVC/paddle by sticking the broken ends of the paddle into the pvc pipe and by winding the rubber tube around the paddle and pvc. The fix worked great. I do ocasssionally, however, find myself ditching my safety equipment when I have to paddle with guys who I know will paddle balls-to-the wall.

Snarf

New Pegasus Ama

Hi everybody,

I'm seeing a lot of new Pegasus and Polaris with a new type ama. It has more volume and a more gradual curve than the previous Bixler ama. Does anybody know the story behind this adaptation or any benefits to using it over the older design? I paddle in anything from dead flat to steep chop and would like to know if an "upgrade" would be beneficial.

Much Appreciated

Flaw's with HYPR Boats

I recently purchased a HYPR Wave Blade 2 and I had a couple problems. The first problem was when I received the boat from YB, the ama had a lot of pressure dings. HYPR worked with me to fix that problem. Secondly, I've noticed that the iako's I received, the push pin holes were overdrilled by almost 2 sizes. When I contacted HYPR the reason for overdrilled holes was that, it was meant to be that way for rigging purposes, although other iako's that I have seen were drilled in a better way then mines was. When I have paddled the boat, I have felt a lot of play from the oversized holes. Lastly, a friend of mines has a WB2 and his seat track was put on backwards when he received it and the twist locks for the iako's are breaking apart peice by peice, although the boat is only a couple months old.

All canoes built in CHINA!!!

I just read snrfblat comments on the Hyper Vantage, and I appreciate his input, I was just recently at OC (Outrigger Connection) and they are also going to China for labor, but all materal, design and everything is coming from Karel, they will still build you a custom canoe made here in the Islands, but according to them the only difference is 1-2 pounds, and you can't have radical color choices, what they paint, is what you get. I suppose NAFTA is to blame, or the fact of the matter we were asking for canoes NOW not wanting to wait 4-6 months. Any way, paddle hard and lets hope these China boats hold up. ALOHA

Hypr Vantage Review

A buddy of mine just bought the new Hypr Vantage last week (I can't remember whether it’s called a Hyper or Hypr Vantage so I'll just call it the "HV"). We took it for a Hawaii Kai run yesterday. Even though it was my friend's first long run with the HV, he was gracious enough to let me paddle it for the last half of the run. The winds were up on the South side of the Island but the water was a little sloppy, resulting in so-so conditions.

The HV is made is China just like the Hypr Pahoa and now shares some of the same feature as the Hurricane.

The changes that I've noticed and my comments are as follows:

Hull Design: The hull footprint appears to remain unchanged. Overall craftsmanship and quality was good. The hull on my friend's boat was rock solid which is a plus.

Deck Design. The edges on the tail have been softened to round out some of the sharp angles found on the older version. The change is aesthetic, only. The rudder appears to be the same type use in the previous version and appears to be in the same location. The deck in front of the front iako is taller, giving the paddler a feeling of looking out of a cockpit of an F16 fighter jet. The change appears to have been made to accomodate the new iako system. The foot wells and the seat cavity have been redesigned. The foot wells and peddle system are almost identical in design to the Hurricane's. The peddles are half the size of the old aluminum peddles and are made of some black plasticky type material or carbon fiber. I found that the new peddle design made the HV feel less maneuverable than the old design because of the way the peddles are hinged. The hinges on the old version are at the bottom of the heel. The new ones are hinged where the soles of your are. Stainless cables are still being used instead of the cord material used in the Hurricane. The vent plug is now located behind the seat for easy access instead of the tail.

Seat: The seat now operates on a plastic track system just like the Hurricane, giving the owner a variety of positions to choose from. The seat also feels a bit deeper than the older version which is a plus. The deeper seat provides more support for the paddler than the old design. However, like the Hypr Pahoa's seat, the seat on the HV would not lock into position and slid back whenever I pushed firmly against the foot wells for leverage. I don't know whether the seat was specifically designed to do this but I found it rather annoying. I would replace the track with a Velcro system unless this problem is fixed. The seat wells are now connected to the foot wells so water from the seat cavity drains into the foot well. That's a plus.

Foot Drain: The drains have been repositioned and are lower in the foot well than on the old model. The holes on the underside of the canoe are covered. This disrupts the laminar(sp?) flow of water over the hull with unknown results. The drains, however, are the most effective ones I've found on any boat. When the boat is up so speed, you can actually hear the drains sucking water. Again, whether this creates drag on the hull is anybody's guess. The drain system leaves virtually no water in the foot well while paddling.

Rudder Cable: The rudder cable connections at the tail are now covered with a black plastic cover piece. Although the cable system is partially exposed and not completely covered like the Hurricane’s, it is just the same because the cover makes the cable connection points inaccessible in a pinch. Forget about rigging any makeshift cables out in the open ocean/lake when the cable breaks.

Iako: The iakos are now made of black carbon fibrous material. They are lighter than the aluminum ones and are supposed to be stronger. The iakos attach to the canoe using a plastic sleeve system that is virtually identical to the Hurricane’s. The iako’s attachment to the ama has also changed. The front attachment slides into a hole on the side of the ama. The rear attachment slides into the top of the ama just like the Viper/Stingray setup. Both the front and rear iako attachments use snap buttons to lock the ama and iako into position. The new setup is supposed to make the rigging “tighter” than the old. However, the snap buttons are set so deep into the ama that you need the steel fingers of a kung fu master with the length of ET’s index finger to get into the hole to unsnap the button. I have neither so I used a car key.

Ama: The ama design has radically changed from the old wave blade ama. I know Steve Blythe tried to use other designs but am unfamiliar with the various designs and am unable to tell you if its one these design. Suffice it to say that the ama looks like the Hurricane ama with the front end bent upward so that only the back half touches the water. The ama is light and rigid. The design looks weird but I liked the way it felt in the water. The ama was responsive, light and quiet (no drumming). Lifting the ama out of the water was as easy, if not easier, than the old model. I can’t comment on how the ama performs in the larger swells because there weren’t a whole lot of swells when I paddled the canoe.

My overall impression of the new design is that positioning feels as good, if not better, than the old design. The HV doesn’t feel as maneuverable in the water because the new peddles feel like they require more effort to move. This is probably a matter of getting used to the new peddles rather than the canoes inability to maneuver. The cable rudder attachments look cleaner but its design prohibits the owner from "tinkering" around with the setup beyond its preset positions. The new design also prohibits quick access to the rudder in case of an emergency. The new foot well and seat cavity are a plus but the sliding track system for the seat is flawed and needs to be fixed. The ama system is tight and works well, but leaves no room for shortening or lengthening the iakos beyond the preset levels. The snap button system definitely needs to be reworked. Given the performance enhancements and the they the old design moves through the water, I would still consider the HV as a buy.

Snarfblat

Pahoa vs Stingray-Flat Water

I've never tried a Pahoa, but I have a Stingray. I looked in archives but couldn't find an answer to this specific question. If you have to race in flat water, which do you grab? Pahoa or Stingray and Why? Also, I know the Kaimana, Hurricane, and Pegasus are all good boats, but please help me with this question.

Mahalo

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